How much would a 1st round tender have cost us on Austin?

[AdamJT13]

Which I hope you realize we will not do. Sometimes we have to put on the big boy pants and face reality. Dallas isn't gonna cut Brookings mid-season. He is a starter right now and Wade loves him. Even if gets beaten out he will last through the season. Teams don't dump players at mid-season very often who are class guys.

If he's not starting and we're not having a great season, we'd be pretty stupid to keep him all season if it means not getting a high comp pick for Canty. Would you trade a third- or fourth-round pick for eight games of Keith Brooking as a backup? I doubt it, but that's essentially what we'd be doing if that's the situation we're in and we don't cut him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'd say the breaks haven't been going our way since about 1996 or so.

Yep. Ever since Larry and Neil saved Jerry's butt by giftwrapping SBXXX.

Totally agree.

 

[jobberone]

The first-round tender is $2.198 million.

But teams aren't necessarily interested in keeping other teams from signing an RFA to an offer sheet. If the player gets an offer that would be acceptable, you can match the offer and sign the player long-term instead of losing him next year, when he'll be an unrestricted free agent. And if you don't match, you get a second-round draft pick -- instead of possibly losing him next year for nothing. If you give him a first-round tender, you could could end up with neither a draft pick or a long-term contract. (Ask the Chargers how their RFA strategy worked out with Michael Turner.)

The Cowboys gave Austin a second-round tender, which means they would be comfortable getting a second-round pick for him, if that's what happens.

That makes perfect sense. Guess JJ isn't as stupid as some think. Good info as usual.

 

[GoBoys41]

Putting all this together because it is the same thing.
A) No the circumstances haven't really changed. The team knew a T.O. decision was gonna need to be made BEFORE They ever made the r2 tender on Austin. They decided Austin's value was such that they would take a r2 for him. At any point they felt they wouldn't they could have simply signed him long-term.

Why would they do that? They get a 1 year shot to see what Austin can do with an increased role. It may be more expensive down the line, but at least you can be more sure about what you have.

He is in NY, not being signed long-term here. That speaks volumes. Also since when can you believe Jerry Jones when he discusses personnel, especially around draft time???

What volumes does it speak? Only select teams offer long extensions to good potential before they really "prove it" on the field (the Eagles come to mind). By this logic, we should dismiss anyone tendered as a RFA. Which simply isn't sound.

B) Austin has proven nothing more than any rookie WR. He has shown flashes sure but he's also had drops, total disappearances and plain bad WR play that would be an issue if he had any expectations whatsoever of being able to play the position. He is all potential just like a rookie.

Since when did he have bad play? The guy was a #5/#6 target throughout his career and he's stuck around and moved his way up the depth chart. He's already NFL seasoned and getting offers for second round picks by other teams. And he actually has stepped on an NFL football field and made a couple plays. A rookie has done none of that.

C) You make your football team better by adding young, skilled football players. Austin is young and talented, but he hasn't shown WR skill yet. He may ultimately do so or he may not. He is far from able to run a full route tree or be an every down guy imho. While teams would love to have him and use him he also has limitations. And at pick 52 you can do better, far better. If not at WR then elsewhere.

What are his limitations, exactly? Furthermore, how do you know what his limitations are when he has only gotten spot playing time? Playing with Witten and especially Owens (not to mention the amount of RB receptions we had) doesn't leave much wealth to spread around. But he still made some plays.

D) Are you really ready to commit more millions than this kid has catches to him? Austin is the gamble not the draft pick. Very few guys go 3 years at such a low level of performance than develop into star WRs. And we'd be paying him a lot of money to take that gamble.

That's why you don't match an unreasonable offer. But if your infrastructure is sound and you can do good interior scouting, it shouldn't be a real gamble to know whether or not a guy that has been here for 3 years can play or not.

 

[Bluefin]

It might be a fly in the oinment. But can you really say that they didn't expect this?

I doubt they really expected another team to cough up a second round selection for an inexperienced receiver with 18 career receptions.

And if it does happen, they will have the chance to match the offer or be compensated.

Sometimes we have to put on the big boy pants and face reality. Dallas isn't gonna cut Brookings mid-season.

That might be why I had "unlikely" after Brooking's name in my post.

Maybe reading glasses is on the menu instead of big boy pants?

Are you really ready to commit more millions than this kid has catches to him? Austin is the gamble not the draft pick. Very few guys go 3 years at such a low level of performance than develop into star WRs. And we'd be paying him a lot of money to take that gamble.

We already know Miles Austin can play, any rookie that gets drafted may never catch a pass in the NFL. It is a very difficult position to evaluate how they will transition to the NFL.

Austin didn't play receiver his first year, he was too raw, but he still made the 53 man roster out of training camp. Bill Parcells kept him and he wasn't even projected to be a kick returner, that role came about when Tyson Thompson got hurt and we needed an alternative.

Austin started getting snaps in the second half of the '07 season, highlighted by two big pass interference calls against the Packers. But most decided to pay attention to some drops in the bad weather finale at Washington with reserves getting most of the work and suggest he wasn't long for the roster.

Austin was ready for an increased role last summer and started turning head in camp and pre-season. He was injured in the second pre-season game and put up most of his stats upon his return from week two through seven.

Tony Romo was hurt in week six and the offense floundered. Austin was hurt again when Romo returned in week eleven.

Austin caught only one more pass all season when he returned, but the offense was in shambles.

So what will the Jets offer?

Will Austin sign the tender, if it's offered, or give the Cowboys a chance to offer a long term deal of their own once New York's offer is on the table?

NFL contracts are not guaranteed, so looking at them as a whole in typically pointless. They are nothing more than a series of one year contracts and the team can cut bait whenever it likes. Taking a $9 million dollar cap hit to make the move didn't keep Terrell Owens safe.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I doubt they really expected another team to cough up a second round selection for an inexperienced receiver with 18 career receptions.

And if it does happen, they will have the chance to match the offer or be compensated.



That might be why I had "unlikely" after Brooking's name in my post.

Maybe reading glasses is on the menu instead of big boy pants?



We already know Miles Austin can play, any rookie that gets drafted may never catch a pass in the NFL. It is a very difficult position to evaluate how they will transition to the NFL.

Austin didn't play receiver his first year, he was too raw, but he still made the 53 man roster out of training camp. Bill Parcells kept him and he wasn't even projected to be a kick returner, that role came about when Tyson Thompson got hurt and we needed an alternative.

Austin started getting snaps in the second half of the '07 season, highlighted by two big pass interference calls against the Packers. But most decided to pay attention to some drops in the bad weather finale at Washington with reserves getting most of the work and suggest he wasn't long for the roster.

Austin was ready for an increased role last summer and started turning head in camp and pre-season. He was injured in the second pre-season game and put up most of his stats upon his return from week two through seven.

Tony Romo was hurt in week six and the offense floundered. Austin was hurt again when Romo returned in week eleven.

Austin caught only one more pass all season when he returned, but the offense was in shambles.

So what will the Jets offer?

Will Austin sign the tender, if it's offered, or give the Cowboys a chance to offer a long term deal of their own once New York's offer is on the table?

NFL contracts are not guaranteed, so looking at them as a whole in typically pointless. They are nothing more than a series of one year contracts and the team can cut bait whenever it likes. Taking a $9 million dollar cap hit to make the move didn't keep Terrell Owens safe.

So what you are saying is the organization said to itself...Let's throw a 2 at Austin, no one will ever give that.

And they NEVER had a discussion on what if someone does make him an offer.

That is patently absurd. Contingency planning is absolutely demonstrated by the moves a team makes yearly. The way they position themselves for FA and the draft indicates they discuss EVERY possible aspect of a scenario. Especially the draft.

But more importantly, Jerry was in the oil business. Do you really think he didn't talk up every side of an idea before punching a hole in the earth. That would be second nature in the business if you wanted to be successful.

The notion of talking every side of a deal is intrinsic to management. No company outside of the United State Government can maintain solvency without this basic of management tenets.

This is a ridiculous assumption.

 

[dstew60105]

If he's not starting and we're not having a great season, we'd be pretty stupid to keep him all season if it means not getting a high comp pick for Canty. Would you trade a third- or fourth-round pick for eight games of Keith Brooking as a backup? I doubt it, but that's essentially what we'd be doing if that's the situation we're in and we don't cut him.

Does Zach's recent contract with the Chiefs count?