How things have changed.

[utrunner07]

Yeah, it does. If they go 4-12 without an inordinate amount of injuries then you need to think about blowing the team up.

9-7 you tweek and reload.

Yeah I appreciate that that is what would happen, but again I will say what does it matter. Tweek and head into another season to go 9-7 10-6 one and done, or 4-12 and go into rebuilding for three years. Does not matter, end results will be the same. Matter of fact 4-12 might be what this team really needs. Goodness knows it should have been blown to shreds so many times in the past two decades but it has never happened because Daddy Jerry needs to sell seats and to do that he has to sell the ignorant masses (and maybe himself?) that we are just "this" close.

 

[KJJ]

I used to be a poster on here but in April after the draft i said that Dallas had made a MASSIVE mistake by NOT drafting an OL man and was hounded off this site by Silverbear and many others for saying it would come back to haunt them that they'd spend over $100m on CB and a $1 on the line. Now 4/5 months down the line it seems everyone is saying what i said months ago. How times have changed. No one agreed with me then but i bet you all do now.

My prediction then was with a weak OL we would be 4-12. This i stick by. Who thinks different now?

So you were hounded off the site 4 months ago because you were unhappy the Cowboys went with a CB instead of addressing the OL with their first pick and now you're back saying I told you so because Claiborne has an injury. The Cowboys haven't even played a preseason game yet you don't think it's a bit premature to already be saying I told you so? You're just asking to get hounded off the site again once Claiborne is 100% and starts making plays. The kid hasn't even played a game yet and here you are pounding your chest. The board is loaded with fans who jump to conclusions before the games even start. A few injuries start popping up and they knee jerk.

The OL was weak last season but the weakest link was the secondary which contributed to the Cowboys blowing 5 4th quarter leads. It was the Cowboys inability to generate a pass rush and cover that did in their season. Even with the struggles on the OL Romo had arguably his best season. Most of the Cowboys losses the past 2 seasons has been a result of the poor play of the defense. In 2010 the defense gave up a franchise record number of points.

The OL is clearly an issue but you can't contain the high powered passing attacks we see in todays game if you can't generate a pass rush and cover. You don't have to have a great defense to win games that's been proven but you have to be able to stop teams on 3rd down and keep them out of the endzone in the final few minutes of games that are in the balance. The Cowboys gave up more points in the final 2 minutes than any team in the league in 2011 that says it all about last years team. This is why the Cowboys top free agent signing in 2012 was a CB and their first 4 picks in last Aprils draft were defensive players.

Most of the personnel moves during the offseason were made to help improve the coverage. The Cowboys added players to help increase the pressure on opposing QB's and to help cover. With the QB's the Cowboys face within their division you have to be able to cover and generate a pass rush or you'll be in for a long day. The Cowboys have enough offensively to win games they proved that last season by having several leads late in the 4th quarter only to watch the defense blow in the closing minutes. There has been some moves to help improve the OL we'll just have to see how they shake out. I don't see any scenario that would cause the Cowboys to end up 4-12 in 2012.

 

[weaver21]

Yeah I appreciate that that is what would happen, but again I will say what does it matter. Tweek and head into another season to go 9-7 10-6 one and done, or 4-12 and go into rebuilding for three years. Does not matter, end results will be the same. Matter of fact 4-12 might be what this team really needs. Goodness knows it should have been blown to shreds so many times in the past two decades but it has never happened because Daddy Jerry needs to sell seats and to do that he has to sell the ignorant masses (and maybe himself?) that we are just "this" close.

If you don't like it, don't watch the games. 4-12 would kill this team because you know what? Romo won't want to play for a team that is rebuilding and we've seen what happened when Aikman left. Be prepared for that again when Romo leaves.

 

[utrunner07]

If you don't like it, don't watch the games. 4-12 would kill this team because you know what? Romo won't want to play for a team that is rebuilding and we've seen what happened when Aikman left. Be prepared for that again when Romo leaves.

because things have been better with Romo? We have won a superbowl? Been to a superbowl? Been to a championship game? Won several playoff games? Been consistent division champs? Oh...we have won 3-4 games more per season then we did with out him and had a fluke 13-3 year where we were embarrassed in the wild card. Don't get me wrong thats not a hit against romo because in fact he has won us 3-4 games more per year on his own absolutely (though he has also lost us 1-2 games per year single handily), but the rest of this team is just not good and riding a QB like romo and putting the whole team on his shoulders (and a few other guys) is just not how you win consistently...So yeah, blow the team up and let Romo walk...however you want to think it, this team is screwed now and for the foreseeable future because of one man, Jerry Jones. We should have drafted Romo's replacement already, we should have a solid line so at least we can keep our best player upright, we should quit throwing away draft picks on flashy personalities to sell seats...sorry bud...but as long as jerry is here we are going to have 9-7 and 10-6 with occasional 11-5s and more frequent 8-8 to 7-9s.

 

[bayeslife]

If you don't like it, don't watch the games. 4-12 would kill this team because you know what? Romo won't want to play for a team that is rebuilding and we've seen what happened when Aikman left. Be prepared for that again when Romo leaves.

Honestly our fan base can't possibly be prepared for what happens when Romo is gone. The crying for his return will be catastrophic.

 

[TwoDeep3]

4-12, 9-7, does it really matter?

Perhaps the smartest question in this thread.

No, they are the same.

One might argue the mindset of blowing the team up, but then you have a man who doesn't think in those terms in the GM.

9-7 doesn't get it for me.

Neither does 8-8.

10-6 might if they make a real run while in the play-offs.

Now cue the comment about the Giants 9-7 last year as if that is germane.

This team has been a middle of the pack to bottom feeder for over fourteen years. At what point does the fan base hold responsible the people making the decisions?

But wait, Garrett has that look and things have changed.

Show me.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Honestly our fan base can't possibly be prepared for what happens when Romo is gone. The crying for his return will be catastrophic.

As if when he is here and the record of this team isn't enough for some of us.

I like Romo.

But there is more to it than liking one player and foregoing actually winning and being competitive in late January.

Honestly, for some fans Romo is enough.

Then there are us who believe winning is more important than the name on the back of a jersey.

 

[jobberone]

Ok, what's the difference between a team that goes 9-7, has some critical injuries, still manages to be very competitive in every game, and is in the hunt to the very end and loses a few games to some bad breaks

and one that goes 9-7 because they got an easy schedule, won some games they had no real business winning, and got blown out by the better teams they played?

If Garrett puts on the field a team he thinks should be able to compete and it fails because of talent, ability to execute, or refusal to compete then he should be fired and/or the team needs to be overhauled.

Despite the vocal minority, the team is run by professionals who know how to do their job. Maybe you can argue they don't measure up well enough against the rest of the league but to think they're stupid, ignorant, and incompetent is just not based in reality.

 

[Doomsday]

Ok, what's the difference between a team that goes 9-7, has some critical injuries, still manages to be very competitive in every game, and is in the hunt to the very end and loses a few games to some bad breaks

and one that goes 9-7 because they got an easy schedule, won some games they had no real business winning, and got blown out by the better teams they played?

If Garrett puts on the field a team he thinks should be able to compete and it fails because of talent, ability to execute, or refusal to compete then he should be fired and/or the team needs to be overhauled.

Despite the vocal minority, the team is run by professionals who know how to do their job. Maybe you can argue they don't measure up well enough against the rest of the league but to think they're stupid, ignorant, and incompetent is just not based in reality.

Maybe so, but this is the Dallas Cowboys so that is not enough. They are the ones marketing themselves as America's Team and hyping their talent so they only have themselves to blame when the team doesnt live up to their hype.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Ok, what's the difference between a team that goes 9-7, has some critical injuries, still manages to be very competitive in every game, and is in the hunt to the very end and loses a few games to some bad breaks

and one that goes 9-7 because they got an easy schedule, won some games they had no real business winning, and got blown out by the better teams they played?

If Garrett puts on the field a team he thinks should be able to compete and it fails because of talent, ability to execute, or refusal to compete then he should be fired and/or the team needs to be overhauled.

Despite the vocal minority, the team is run by professionals who know how to do their job. Maybe you can argue they don't measure up well enough against the rest of the league but to think they're stupid, ignorant, and incompetent is just not based in reality.

What if...

There are no injuries, the OL and DL are at the bottom of the league and we still cannot get any pressure on their QB and keep it off of our QB?

What if this team goes 4-12 with a horrifically tough schedule?

Because we have invested in corner backs, but still have safety questions.

We have a train wreck in waiting at WR.

And as I said both lines are questionable.

I am not predicting this, but there is a possibility because of the way this team has been built.

Now we are fishing for a center.

Sorry, rosy vistas are not made of these types of questions going into the first pre-season game.

 

[jobberone]

What if...

There are no injuries, the OL and DL are at the bottom of the league and we still cannot get any pressure on their QB and keep it off of our QB?

What if this team goes 4-12 with a horrifically tough schedule?

Because we have invested in corner backs, but still have safety questions.

We have a train wreck in waiting at WR.

And as I said both lines are questionable.

I am not predicting this, but there is a possibility because of the way this team has been built.

Now we are fishing for a center.

Sorry, rosy vistas are not made of these types of questions going into the first pre-season game.

I don't think I've painted a rosy picture. They are concerned about a position I have been complaining about over a year along with numbers of others.

My point was you can't evaluate your team just using wins and losses which was made earlier in the thread.

I'm also very concerned about the secondary particularly at CB. If Jenkins isn't ready for the season which I believe will be the case and Claiborne has the problems I've projected then Ryan will not be able to play his aggressive D and we're still going to have problems getting off the field.

We have some problems.

 

[The Emperor]

As if when he is here and the record of this team isn't enough for some of us.

I like Romo.

But there is more to it than liking one player and foregoing actually winning and being competitive in late January.

Honestly, for some fans Romo is enough.

Then there are us who believe winning is more important than the name on the back of a jersey.

If you believed one word of the dreck you clicked out, you wouldn't even refer to the players by their names but by their numbers.

 

[5Stars]

So you were hounded off the site 4 months ago because you were unhappy the Cowboys went with a CB instead of addressing the OL with their first pick and now you're back saying I told you so because Claiborne has an injury. The Cowboys haven't even played a preseason game yet you don't think it's a bit premature to already be saying I told you so? You're just asking to get hounded off the site again once Claiborne is 100% and starts making plays. The kid hasn't even played a game yet and here you are pounding your chest. The board is loaded with fans who jump to conclusions before the games even start. A few injuries start popping up and they knee jerk.

The OL was weak last season but the weakest link was the secondary which contributed to the Cowboys blowing 5 4th quarter leads. It was the Cowboys inability to generate a pass rush and cover that did in their season. Even with the struggles on the OL Romo had arguably his best season. Most of the Cowboys losses the past 2 seasons has been a result of the poor play of the defense. In 2010 the defense gave up a franchise record number of points.

The OL is clearly an issue but you can't contain the high powered passing attacks we see in todays game if you can't generate a pass rush and cover. You don't have to have a great defense to win games that's been proven but you have to be able to stop teams on 3rd down and keep them out of the endzone in the final few minutes of games that are in the balance. The Cowboys gave up more points in the final 2 minutes than any team in the league in 2011 that says it all about last years team. This is why the Cowboys top free agent signing in 2012 was a CB and their first 4 picks in last Aprils draft were defensive players.

Most of the personnel moves during the offseason were made to help improve the coverage. The Cowboys added players to help increase the pressure on opposing QB's and to help cover. With the QB's the Cowboys face within their division you have to be able to cover and generate a pass rush or you'll be in for a long day. The Cowboys have enough offensively to win games they proved that last season by having several leads late in the 4th quarter only to watch the defense blow in the closing minutes. There has been some moves to help improve the OL we'll just have to see how they shake out. I don't see any scenario that would cause the Cowboys to end up 4-12 in 2012.

Nice post, KJJ...i agree with all of it.

 

[TwoDeep3]

If you believed one word of the dreck you clicked out, you wouldn't even refer to the players by their names but by their numbers.

So now YOU are telling ME what I believe?

That made me laugh.

 

[Hostile]

4-12, 9-7, does it really matter?

Yes. Next question.

 

[Verdict]

I was all for drafting DeCastro and also another guard/center with our next pick. I can't fault us for taking Mo though, because without Mo, and Jenkins out, we would have some newby out there playing corner or slot corner on opening day. Unfortunately, we were going to have a hole one way or the other. It looks like the team actually PLANNED AHEAD for Jenkins inability to start playing at training camp. You have to give them props for actually having a plan in that respect, and not just having wishful thinking.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I don't think I've painted a rosy picture. They are concerned about a position I have been complaining about over a year along with numbers of others.

My point was you can't evaluate your team just using wins and losses which was made earlier in the thread.

I'm also very concerned about the secondary particularly at CB. If Jenkins isn't ready for the season which I believe will be the case and Claiborne has the problems I've projected then Ryan will not be able to play his aggressive D and we're still going to have problems getting off the field.

We have some problems.

Never said you painted a rosy picture.

 

[ethiostar]

Sooooo.....


:leave:

 

[Dallas4ever]

I used to be a poster on here but in April after the draft i said that Dallas had made a MASSIVE mistake by NOT drafting an OL man and was hounded off this site by Silverbear and many others for saying it would come back to haunt them that they'd spend over $100m on CB and a $1 on the line. Now 4/5 months down the line it seems everyone is saying what i said months ago. How times have changed. No one agreed with me then but i bet you all do now.

My prediction then was with a weak OL we would be 4-12. This i stick by. Who thinks different now?

Where is Silverbear when we need him??

 

[cowboy_ron]

Where is Silverbear when we need him??