How to create Salary Cap space

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Cutting Witten would be a No Brainer right now. Would save almost 7M this year with 0 Deadmoney.

Also cut Scandrick. We dont Need him anymore.

What i would do without any emotional attachments like Jerry

Cut Witten if he doesnt want to retire
Cut Scandrick
Have Dez take a paycut or cut
Extend D-Law
Extend Martin

We might be bad next season, but it wont matter because if we Keep those expensive guys we might get 1-2 wins more without any chances for a deep run anyway.

2019 we have a lot of Capspace and got rid of some bad contracts.
 

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Cutting Witten would be a No Brainer right now. Would save almost 7M this year with 0 Deadmoney.

Also cut Scandrick. We dont Need him anymore.

What i would do without any emotional attachments like Jerry

Cut Witten if he doesnt want to retire
Cut Scandrick
Have Dez take a paycut or cut
Extend D-Law
Extend Martin

We might be bad next season, but it wont matter because if we Keep those expensive guys we might get 1-2 wins more without any chances for a deep run anyway.

2019 we have a lot of Capspace and got rid of some bad contracts.
Great plan.... that would create another 30m in space

We could sign Suh and trade for EThomas.... that would be worth any Dead Money in 2021
Maybe even sign Derrick Johnson
 

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It is amazing how something so basic and sensible is blamed and attacked for all the contract problems in DAL

DAL will restructure or extend a contract a week for the next 5-6 weeks instead of just doing it all at once and everyone will keep believing that we are in cap jail because of Romo

And by doing so, free agent X and his agent see the $8 million in space the FO wants us to see instead of the $40+ million that's actually available with simple moves. They'll see Jerry on the caller ID and let it go to voicemail because there's only money for an "honest" offer.
 

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And by doing so, free agent X and his agent see the $8 million in space the FO wants us to see instead of the $40+ million that's actually available with simple moves. They'll see Jerry on the caller ID and let it go to voicemail because there's only money for an "honest" offer.
I think that is a real scenario
We are now known as the team that won't spend money..... guys only take a couple visits
 

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First of all, I'm not a "self-proclaimed" anything. One of the mods created that title, not me.

Admittedly, name-dropping you was a bit out of line because you really don't post that much any more. That said, you are the authority on the matter so it's really only fair that I ask for the local expert to chime in when a bunch of self-proclaimed "experts" (myself included, to a certain extent) are arguing. I would rely on your cap numbers to a greater extent than any source that wasn't officially associated with an NFL team. It is your cap theory that I disagree with. I meant no offense, and I have a great deal of respect for the information that you share. It's your opinion that I don't agree with.

Secondly, just because a hypothetical situation has never happened in practice doesn't mean prove or disprove anything. Every person in my neighborhood would save money by paying off their mortgage today. But none of them have done that, so it must not be true, right? Of course not.

That's not really a great comparison. In fact, it's damn near awful. Find a return rate better than their loan rate and they'd lose by paying off their mortgage right now. Beating 3 to 4% isn't tough. Market average investment returns over the life of a mortgage are something like 8%

Every person in your neighborhood would save even more money if they didn't pay their mortgage at all. If we ignore consequence, choices become very simple.

As Nightman already mentioned, that argument is nothing but a strawman. The fact remains that cap-wise, there is absolutely no downside to restructuring a contract that is going to be paid either way. How many times it happens or doesn't happen in practice is completely irrelevant.

It's not a strawman. Maximizing restructuring assumes best-case scenarios that: A) don't exist, and B) preclude the need to restructure. The average career length is 3 years, and yet we're going to buy into the idea that prorating money over 5 years is good returns? In order to make it work you would have to be significantly better than average at assessing talent, and - in particular - significantly better than average at projecting performance drop off with age. What team has this ability?

No team. Not a single one. If such a team existed, they wouldn't need to restructure at all. They would just draft the most productive talent available with every pick in every round that they have a selection. Who couldn't build a great team with that kind of foresight? You'd basically have rookie deals for the majority of your roster. Your cap number would be extremely low because you wouldn't really have to pay anyone....because you'd draft everyone. At this point the question becomes, why would you have to restructure.....ever?

It also assumes that there's enough talent available, which is hard to argue when the majority of the league's teams struggle to use their available cap space without restructuring.

In a perfect world, it might work. It reality...nobody tries it.
 

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There is nothing confusing about restructuring contracts. It is nothing more that using up future cap space to increase current cap space. IMHO it is best described as a "win now" mentality. As I mentioned in another thread there is a net benefit to be had based on the value of a future cap dollar being worth less than a current cap dollar provided the cap continues to increase. My biggest issue with it is from a philosophical viewpoint. Restructuring a contract to add a free agent today will help you today but it will most certainly have a negative impact on your tomorrow. When all of your significant cap charges are higher than the corresponding base salaries you are paying now for past overages. If we were consistently challenging for the super bowl I would perhaps feel differently. As it stand we overspend and have nothing to show for it.

If I truly felt this team was on the verge I would be OK with a bunch of restructures to add the final pieces. All we do is mortgage the future to maintain the current at 8-8. Bad business IMHO.
 

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There is nothing confusing about restructuring contracts. It is nothing more that using up future cap space to increase current cap space. IMHO it is best described as a "win now" mentality. As I mentioned in another thread there is a net benefit to be had based on the value of a future cap dollar being worth less than a current cap dollar provided the cap continues to increase. My biggest issue with it is from a philosophical viewpoint. Restructuring a contract to add a free agent today will help you today but it will most certainly have a negative impact on your tomorrow. When all of your significant cap charges are higher than the corresponding base salaries you are paying now for past overages. If we were consistently challenging for the super bowl I would perhaps feel differently. As it stand we overspend and have nothing to show for it.

If I truly felt this team was on the verge I would be OK with a bunch of restructures to add the final pieces. All we do is mortgage the future to maintain the current at 8-8. Bad business IMHO.
There is no risk

You just don't like the optics of paying less money later when the player may not be on the team..... but that is irrelevant......cap space doesn't have a name on it....it all goes in one pot

Tony Romo has an 8.9m Dead Money hit this year and everyone screams about it but they saved 14m on his cap last year and rolled over 8-9m...... that makes it a net wash ......zeroed out

But fans and media still scream about it ....and even without the rollover the 8.9m just means DAL saved that money years ago when the cap was lower......simple math.....no risk

If someone offers you a $1000 loan and tells you that you only have to pay $900 would you take it?
He tells you that you have 5 years to pay it back with no interest......would ya?
He even says if for the slightest chance he calls in the balance next year that you can take out another identical loan to pay off the $700 you now owe....$500 in year 3.....$300 in year 4

Would you do it just once or would you do it as many times as you could, knowing you have a great job locked in for 20 years and get a 10% raise every year

I would do it over and over again as many times as possible even if I didn't need it......I could rollover the balance and spend more next year
 

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How they can create space*= DAL now 12m* under
Restructure= R
Cut or Trade= C/T*
Extend= E

TSmith...............R.............7.3m
DLaw.................E..............10m
..........................C/T............17m
Dez....................R..............10m
..........................C/T.............8.5m
..........................E...............8m
TFred................R...............7.4m
SLee.................R...............3m
ZMartin.............E................4m
TCrawford.........R...............3.4m
.........................C/T..............1.8m
Witten..............C/T...............6.9m
........................R.................3.9m
TWill...............R...................1.8m
.......................C.................(2.5m)
........................T...................1m
LCollins............R................1.8m
OScan............C................3.0m.......not til June 2nd*
Mayowa...........C
..............2.7m
Hanna.............C/T................2.7m
Beasley...........C/T................3.2m
Bailey..............R..................1.6m
........................C/T...............3.4m
Heath..............C/T................1.6m

Signed DLawrence........1/17.1m
Signed D Irving...............1/2.9m
 

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I didn't say there were risks. If you can not be bothered to read I would recommend not responding.
 

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Admittedly, name-dropping you was a bit out of line because you really don't post that much any more. That said, you are the authority on the matter so it's really only fair that I ask for the local expert to chime in when a bunch of self-proclaimed "experts" (myself included, to a certain extent) are arguing. I would rely on your cap numbers to a greater extent than any source that wasn't officially associated with an NFL team. It is your cap theory that I disagree with. I meant no offense, and I have a great deal of respect for the information that you share. It's your opinion that I don't agree with.



That's not really a great comparison. In fact, it's damn near awful. Find a return rate better than their loan rate and they'd lose by paying off their mortgage right now. Beating 3 to 4% isn't tough. Market average investment returns over the life of a mortgage are something like 8%

Every person in your neighborhood would save even more money if they didn't pay their mortgage at all. If we ignore consequence, choices become very simple.



It's not a strawman. Maximizing restructuring assumes best-case scenarios that: A) don't exist, and B) preclude the need to restructure. The average career length is 3 years, and yet we're going to buy into the idea that prorating money over 5 years is good returns? In order to make it work you would have to be significantly better than average at assessing talent, and - in particular - significantly better than average at projecting performance drop off with age. What team has this ability?

No team. Not a single one. If such a team existed, they wouldn't need to restructure at all. They would just draft the most productive talent available with every pick in every round that they have a selection. Who couldn't build a great team with that kind of foresight? You'd basically have rookie deals for the majority of your roster. Your cap number would be extremely low because you wouldn't really have to pay anyone....because you'd draft everyone. At this point the question becomes, why would you have to restructure.....ever?

It also assumes that there's enough talent available, which is hard to argue when the majority of the league's teams struggle to use their available cap space without restructuring.

In a perfect world, it might work. It reality...nobody tries it.
The fallacy is in regards to it being critical to only restructure players that will stay long term.

If a player only stays 1 year after the restructure, they can restructure another player the following year to offset the one that departed.

Either of the following restructures push money out over 4 years.
Player A 2018 then cut
Player B 2019-2021

Player C 2018-2021

There is no money lost because player A was cut after 1 year. The restructure is just the upcoming season's salary converted to a bonus. The player was going to get paid for that season either way.
 

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The elephant in the room is Jason Witten. Cutting him would allow us to sign an impact starter. We could've gotten Honey Badger, for example, with the money we would've saved by cutting Witten.
 

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I didn't say there were risks. If you can not be bothered to read I would recommend not responding.

Negative impact vs Risks....don't be a semantic nit picker and don't get your hair up over nonsense

Restructuring a contract to add a free agent today will help you today but it will most certainly have a negative impact on your tomorrow.
 

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The fallacy is in regards to it being critical to only restructure players that will stay long term.

If a player only stays 1 year after the restructure, they can restructure another player the following year to offset the one that departed.

Either of the following restructures push money out over 4 years.
Player A 2018 then cut
Player B 2019-2021

Player C 2018-2021

There is no money lost because player A was cut after 1 year. The restructure is just the upcoming season's salary converted to a bonus. The player was going to get paid for that season either way.
Exactly

and even if they don't restructure any more deals to open up space they are still paying back less than they borrowed by 20% and doing it a year later after a 10m cap increase
 

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The elephant in the room is Jason Witten. Cutting him would allow us to sign an impact starter. We could've gotten Honey Badger, for example, with the money we would've saved by cutting Witten.

This team can be too sentimental. I'm a huge Witten fan, but it's time to cut him loose. If they can cut Emmitt Smith and DeMarcus Ware, than why not Witten?

The Cowboys need to get younger and faster at TE.
 

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First of all, I'm not a "self-proclaimed" anything. One of the mods created that title, not me.

Secondly, just because a hypothetical situation has never happened in practice doesn't mean prove or disprove anything. Every person in my neighborhood would save money by paying off their mortgage today. But none of them have done that, so it must not be true, right? Of course not.

As Nightman already mentioned, that argument is nothing but a strawman. The fact remains that cap-wise, there is absolutely no downside to restructuring a contract that is going to be paid either way. How many times it happens or doesn't happen in practice is completely irrelevant.

There is a downside to leveraging all the contracts and spending all said money up to the cap so you lose the ability to eat accelerations. After a couple of years every player on the roster will have a high percentage of his contracts as potential accelerations. A couple key injuries or retirements and you will take a red hit to the bottomline that you cannot restructure out of by definition, June 1 designation or not. Not ever cut is a savings and leveraging only serves to worsen that percentage.

You are also mitigating any cap relief you garner from cutting players because they all have accelerating cap charges too.

Restructuring is a great tool to use but it is hardly a virtue good in all situations. You sound like an agent with a vested interesting in teams generating as much demand for labor as possible for your clients.
 

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This team can be too sentimental. I'm a huge Witten fan, but it's time to cut him loose. If they can cut Emmitt Smith and DeMarcus Ware, than why not Witten?

The Cowboys need to get younger and faster at TE.
He should take the TV job while they are offering it...... Greg Olsen almost stole it from him
 

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There is a downside to leveraging all the contracts and spending all said money up to the cap so you lose the ability to eat accelerations. After a couple of years every player on the roster will have a high percentage of his contracts as potential accelerations. A couple key injuries or retirements and you will take a red hit to the bottomline that you cannot restructure out of by definition, June 1 designation or not. Not ever cut is a savings and leveraging only serves to worsen that percentage.

You are also mitigating any cap relief you garner from cutting players because they all have accelerating cap charges too.

Restructuring is a great tool to use but it is hardly a virtue good in all situations. You sound like an agent with a vested interesting in teams generating as much demand for labor as possible for your clients.
You always talk in hypotheticals that can't happen

Players don't get cut before June 1st after getting restructured
If they get injured they go on the IR......no money gets accelerated
If they retire the next year so does their base salary
And there are always a half dozen or more contracts that can get restructured or extended any season......always
Worst case you cut dead weight guys you would have kept like Witten or Hanna or TCrawford or Beasley

AND as you argue every time ratings come up the cap goes up every year by 10m
 
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