How to create Salary Cap space

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Easiest, and fastest route is to just cut Hanna and restructure Fred. That will give you about 15mill in cap space, give or take. Depending on how much you restructure Fred.

We can do those immediately if needed.

Then you can hopefully clear a little more space with Martin contract.

Real kicker is going to be with Dez.

Point being, as it is, we are capable of bringing in a nice FA or two if we want. Immediately. Only risk being carrying Freds money forward, but I like that bet.

We're also 65million under next year's cap.
 

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Easiest, and fastest route is to just cut Hanna and restructure Fred. That will give you about 15mill in cap space, give or take. Depending on how much you restructure Fred.

We can do those immediately if needed.

Then you can hopefully clear a little more space with Martin contract.

Real kicker is going to be with Dez.

Point being, as it is, we are capable of bringing in a nice FA or two if we want. Immediately. Only risk being carrying Freds money forward, but I like that bet.

We're also 65million under next year's cap.
also signing Lawerence to a longterm deal.
 

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DAL is roughly 3-4m under the cap after Tagging DLawrence

How they can create space*

Restructure= R
Cut or Trade= CT*
Extend= E

TSmith...............R.............7.3m
DLaw.................E..............10m
..........................CT............17m
Dez....................R..............10m
..........................CT.............8.5m
..........................E...............8m
TFred................R...............7.4m
SLee.................R...............3m
ZMartin.............E................4m
TCrawford.........R...............3.4m
.........................CT..............1.8m
Witten..............CT...............6.9m
........................R.................3.9m
TWill...............R...................1.8m
.......................CT.................(2.5m)
LCollins............R................1.8m
OScan............CT................1.4m
Mayowa...........CT..............2.7m
Hanna.............CT................2.7m
Beasley...........CT................3.2m
Bailey..............R..................1.6m
........................CT...............3.4m
Heath..............CT................1.6m

*No June 1st cuts and No Rule of 51 savings



That is 65m in cap space with only cuts to OScan, Hanna and Mayowa



They won't do it but I don't want to hear we are in cap trouble...... we are also 65m under the cap in 2019


And then what???? All the above disaster moves are the reason were left once again on the sidelines come FA time unable to improve our team.....:hammer: and 24 yrs of misery and counting and counting and counting....now Stephan is playing football guy this misery of ours will never end it seems at the Jones family bakery.....
 
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Restructuring injury and/or talent risks and spending the money up to the cap remains a bad idea.

Why? You just continue to push it forward each season. This isn't like a credit card with interest. Being right at the cap every season makes total sense. They can literally do this every year. Stephen and several others have explained it thoroughly. We *can* sign just about anyone we want. It's cost vs perceived value that's kept them from doing it .
 

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Why? You just continue to push it forward each season. This isn't like a credit card with interest. Being right at the cap every season makes total sense. They can literally do this every year. Stephen and several others have explained it thoroughly. We *can* sign just about anyone we want. It's cost vs perceived value that's kept them from doing it .


It's not about spending up to the cap. It is about restructuring everyone possible and spending up to the cap.

If someone retires or has to be cut causing a cap acceleration then you either have to cut players to get under the cap or take huge penalties.
 

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Why? You just continue to push it forward each season. This isn't like a credit card with interest.

This is a common statement that is thrown out there but nobody ever mentions the steep and inherent depreciation curve that you get when you plot age versus performance. Players decline with age. From a cap perspective, restructuring is the exact same as "paying for age". Can't recall anyone ever being in favor of dishing out high dollar contracts to old players but that is exactly what is being done when base salaries are spread across future years. Cap charges go up when the player is older.

If cap charges become higher when a player is older, and player performance declines over time, it's awfully hard to find the benefit in using the interest-free credit card every single year. Inevitably you arrive at a point where you are overpaying for diminished returns. Who thinks that's a great idea? Furthermore, at some point the credit card is used just to pay off the other credit cards that are inevitably paying for diminished returns. Identify the benefit, please.

Being right at the cap every season makes total sense.

Perhaps, but the means by which a teams arrives at the cap limit are endless.
  • 2 teams have the exact same cap total. Call it $180M for simplicity's sake.
    • Team #1 has $50M in prorated money comprised of bonuses and restructures.
    • Team #2 has $20M in prorated money comprised of bonuses and restructures.
A = Prorated Money
B = Non-Prorated Money

If A + B has to equal $180M (or salary cap total) then Team #1 will have $130M in non-prorated money and Team #2 will have $160M in non-prorated money.

Here's the question: Which team has greater depth?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Team #2 every time. Why? Because the amount of cap dollars that aren't prorated (more or less: base salaries, roster bonuses, and workout bonuses) is $30M greater than Team #1.

You don't give large signing bonuses to depth. Depth is almost entirely comprised of current year spending. Spread $30M in base salaries across the bottom portion of a team's roster and the bottom portion of said team's roster dramatically improves. Take a player in year 1 and compare that player to himself in years 3, 4, or 5. Talent is the same so the only difference is experience and game knowledge. Which version of said player would you wager to be more productive? Ultimately, even if talent is the same and you are going to pay the minimum salary, being able to pay for the guy in his 4th year gives you a better player than the rookie you would have otherwise settled for.

They can literally do this every year.

Actually, they can "figuratively" do it every year. Hypothetically, perhaps. Make-believe and in dreams, maybe....but not "literally". To actually carry out such a plan every year and receive additional cap space (no benefit if you don't), the team would have to increase the amount freed up to a greater extent than the amount they have added over the course of the previous 4-5 years.
  • Restructure $5M now and you add $1M to 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022
  • Do that again in 2019, 2020, and 2021
    • 2022 salary cap total increase by $4M
      • $4M reduction for 2022 = $20M restructured in 2022 to break even
        • Now $4M added to 2023, 2024, 2025, and 2026
        • 2023 now has $7M added from previous years
          • $7M reduction = $35M restructured to break even
See the pattern? On a rolling basis, the team has to beat a 1:1, therefore the amount restructured must increase because 1/5th of the restructured amount applies to the present year. The combination of a cash floor and a salary cap means a team would inevitably arrive a point where they cannot be cap compliant (under the limit) while meeting the cash floor (above the minimum). They could help themselves with large signing bonuses but now they're adding prorated money to prorated money and only exacerbating the issue. At some point it fails so from a "literal" perspective it cannot be done. Figuratively however, they could restructure some every year. Ultimately they'd be worse off than if they had never restructured at all.

Stephen and several others have explained it thoroughly. We *can* sign just about anyone we want. It's cost vs perceived value that's kept them from doing it .

And yet......Stephen DOESN'T.

Even if we pretend that the Jones' have not - more or less - publicly stated that their approach has changed, explain why they don't follow through? Explain why there isn't a single team that operates like this? Seriously, at this point there shouldn't be a discussion about whether or not restructuring like this is beneficial. It doesn't happen in the manner that people suggest so why even entertain the idea? How much time do these people allocate to deciding how they will spend their Powerball winnings? That's pretty much how time they should spend on these threads because both are so unlikely to ever occur.

Sure, the team could restructure like this thread suggests....but the team could also trade Dak and Zeke for a bag of used prophylactics. They won't so what's the point in pretending like it's a realistic possibility?

I'm sick of seeing self-proclaimed "cap experts" constantly prop up hypotheticals as though people should expect any team to choose to employ them. NO TEAM DOES. PERIOD. I challenge any self-proclaimed "Cap Expert", "Capologist", or "Cap Guru" to name a single team that has managed their cap in the manner that they suggest. Hell, find whatever rock Adam crawled under and see if he can pass this test. I assure you that none of them can, not even Adam.

Why can't they? Because as good as it looks on paper, in practice it's an absolute joke. Consequently, no team has ever maxed out their restructuring on an annual basis. Not a single one.
 

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Here is the best way to create salary cap space listen up I am going to splain it in clear understandable wording. Ready? Cut everyone
 

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A sense of humor would be helpful to some.
I have a distinct feeling a couple of these newish members aren’t going to be around too long.
why would that be. is not agreeing with you against some rule?? chill out, ozymandius.
 

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This is a common statement that is thrown out there but nobody ever mentions the steep and inherent depreciation curve that you get when you plot age versus performance. Players decline with age. From a cap perspective, restructuring is the exact same as "paying for age". Can't recall anyone ever being in favor of dishing out high dollar contracts to old players but that is exactly what is being done when base salaries are spread across future years. Cap charges go up when the player is older.

If cap charges become higher when a player is older, and player performance declines over time, it's awfully hard to find the benefit in using the interest-free credit card every single year. Inevitably you arrive at a point where you are overpaying for diminished returns. Who thinks that's a great idea? Furthermore, at some point the credit card is used just to pay off the other credit cards that are inevitably paying for diminished returns. Identify the benefit, please.



Perhaps, but the means by which a teams arrives at the cap limit are endless.
  • 2 teams have the exact same cap total. Call it $180M for simplicity's sake.
    • Team #1 has $50M in prorated money comprised of bonuses and restructures.
    • Team #2 has $20M in prorated money comprised of bonuses and restructures.
A = Prorated Money
B = Non-Prorated Money

If A + B has to equal $180M (or salary cap total) then Team #1 will have $130M in non-prorated money and Team #2 will have $160M in non-prorated money.

Here's the question: Which team has greater depth?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Team #2 every time. Why? Because the amount of cap dollars that aren't prorated (more or less: base salaries, roster bonuses, and workout bonuses) is $30M greater than Team #1.

You don't give large signing bonuses to depth. Depth is almost entirely comprised of current year spending. Spread $30M in base salaries across the bottom portion of a team's roster and the bottom portion of said team's roster dramatically improves. Take a player in year 1 and compare that player to himself in years 3, 4, or 5. Talent is the same so the only difference is experience and game knowledge. Which version of said player would you wager to be more productive? Ultimately, even if talent is the same and you are going to pay the minimum salary, being able to pay for the guy in his 4th year gives you a better player than the rookie you would have otherwise settled for.



Actually, they can "figuratively" do it every year. Hypothetically, perhaps. Make-believe and in dreams, maybe....but not "literally". To actually carry out such a plan every year and receive additional cap space (no benefit if you don't), the team would have to increase the amount freed up to a greater extent than the amount they have added over the course of the previous 4-5 years.
  • Restructure $5M now and you add $1M to 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022
  • Do that again in 2019, 2020, and 2021
    • 2022 salary cap total increase by $4M
      • $4M reduction for 2022 = $20M restructured in 2022 to break even
        • Now $4M added to 2023, 2024, 2025, and 2026
        • 2023 now has $7M added from previous years
          • $7M reduction = $35M restructured to break even
See the pattern? On a rolling basis, the team has to beat a 1:1, therefore the amount restructured must increase because 1/5th of the restructured amount applies to the present year. The combination of a cash floor and a salary cap means a team would inevitably arrive a point where they cannot be cap compliant (under the limit) while meeting the cash floor (above the minimum). They could help themselves with large signing bonuses but now they're adding prorated money to prorated money and only exacerbating the issue. At some point it fails so from a "literal" perspective it cannot be done. Figuratively however, they could restructure some every year. Ultimately they'd be worse off than if they had never restructured at all.



And yet......Stephen DOESN'T.

Even if we pretend that the Jones' have not - more or less - publicly stated that their approach has changed, explain why they don't follow through? Explain why there isn't a single team that operates like this? Seriously, at this point there shouldn't be a discussion about whether or not restructuring like this is beneficial. It doesn't happen in the manner that people suggest so why even entertain the idea? How much time do these people allocate to deciding how they will spend their Powerball winnings? That's pretty much how time they should spend on these threads because both are so unlikely to ever occur.

Sure, the team could restructure like this thread suggests....but the team could also trade Dak and Zeke for a bag of used prophylactics. They won't so what's the point in pretending like it's a realistic possibility?

I'm sick of seeing self-proclaimed "cap experts" constantly prop up hypotheticals as though people should expect any team to choose to employ them. NO TEAM DOES. PERIOD. I challenge any self-proclaimed "Cap Expert", "Capologist", or "Cap Guru" to name a single team that has managed their cap in the manner that they suggest. Hell, find whatever rock Adam crawled under and see if he can pass this test. I assure you that none of them can, not even Adam.

Why can't they? Because as good as it looks on paper, in practice it's an absolute joke. Consequently, no team has ever maxed out their restructuring on an annual basis. Not a single one.

So, they CAN restructure every year and still get just about anyone they really want? You just don't agree with it. That's really all you had to say .

Also, I've never claimed to be a "cap expert," champ. So save your condescension and talk down to your poor children, not me.
 

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So, they CAN restructure every year and still get just about anyone they really want? You just don't agree with it. That's really all you had to say .

Also, I've never claimed to be a "cap expert," champ. So save your condescension and talk down to your poor children, not me.
You summed it exactly

They can do it, the space is there, they just choose not to

There will always be large contracts to restructure or waive to make room...... it is a never ending circle....... especially with rollover and the annual cap increases

The naysayers point to untimely injuries but they could happen to anyone on a new contract and it would hurt...... it has nothing to do with restructures or crating cap space

If DLaw gets hurt this year we waste 17m in cash and cap space..... a17m cap hit is huge and is worse than 8m in dead money next year and 9m this year
What if we extend ZMartin and give him a 25m signing bonus and he gets hurt..... it will kill the cap and has nothing to do with creating cap space
 

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I'm sick of seeing self-proclaimed "cap experts" constantly prop up hypotheticals as though people should expect any team to choose to employ them. NO TEAM DOES. PERIOD. I challenge any self-proclaimed "Cap Expert", "Capologist", or "Cap Guru" to name a single team that has managed their cap in the manner that they suggest. Hell, find whatever rock Adam crawled under and see if he can pass this test. I assure you that none of them can, not even Adam.
That is the most childish, juvenile and rude thing you have ever said around here and that is saying something

Grow up dude and quit being a poop thrower ALL THE TIME...... you literally add nothing else

I challenge you to post something interesting and put your balls on the line for once instead of critiquing everyone else's work
 

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The constant "The Cowboys are in cap Hell" posts that you see are wrong. They were really only in true cap hell one year. In 2013 they had franchised Spencer for the 2nd time and were working on a new contract for Romo.
That is the key to the whole argument......DAL has never been in cap hell ............even after 2013

The salary cap was 123m in 2009...........it was still 123m in 2013............ it didn't go up for 5 years so the owners could break the NFLPA and they did...... DAL even had that 10m salary cap penalty and they still were never in cap jail

In 2013 they signed Romo to a 108m deal and SLee to a 42m deal and TSmith to a 98m in 2014.... they were hardly hurting for space .................and then they went 12-4 in 2014 so it didn't hurt on the field............ so why all the rueage when we look back??????...... it doesn't make any sense
 

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That is the key to the whole argument......DAL has never been in cap hell ............even after 2013

The salary cap was 123m in 2009...........it was still 123m in 2013............ it didn't go up for 5 years so the owners could break the NFLPA and they did...... DAL even had that 10m salary cap penalty and they still were never in cap jail

In 2013 they signed Romo to a 108m deal and SLee to a 42m deal and TSmith to a 98m in 2014.... they were hardly hurting for space .................and then they went 12-4 in 2014 so it didn't hurt on the field............ so why all the rueage when we look back??????...... it doesn't make any sense
romo was already in his 30's and at the time had missed more games due to injury than any other qb since 2007, the year he officially became the starter. sean lee had a prior history of injuries and continues to miss games. I believe he missed all of 2014. so both of those moves weren't necessarily the most prudent. no problem with tsmith deal. but we still haven't gone to the big dance. ergo, the rueage.
 

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romo was already in his 30's and at the time had missed more games due to injury than any other qb since 2007, the year he officially became the starter. sean lee had a prior history of injuries and continues to miss games. I believe he missed all of 2014. so both of those moves weren't necessarily the most prudent. no problem with tsmith deal. but we still haven't gone to the big dance. ergo, the rueage.
Weak and not on topic

We are talking about the cap, not asking the Romo haters to spew their predictable drivel

The point was we were never in cap hell........ we still spent like drunken sailors after the worst era in cap history
 

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Weak and not on topic

We are talking about the cap, not asking the Romo haters to spew their predictable drivel

The point was we were never in cap hell........ we still spent like drunken sailors after the worst era in cap history
The point was they made bad deals. All the cap money in the world won't help if poorly structured deals are made. Reality rocks. The evidence is etched in stone. It's incontrovertible.
 
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