CFZ How Would Jimmy Johnson Handle the Cowboys Salary Cap in the 90's?

[nyc-cowboy]

You think all the players and draft choices we got for Walker came free?

We got Ike Holt who was a average CB and 3 other jags - not exactly high priced guys, and draft choices.

The only issue having to do with money was Jethro had to pay Walker a million to accept the trade if I recall correctly, nothing any other team would have done at the time for that haul.

There was no time that Jerry's money gave Jimmy an advantage over other teams.

 

[Ranching]

We got Ike Holt who was a average CB and 3 other jags - not exactly high priced guys, and draft choices.

The only issue having to do with money was Jethro had to pay Walker a million to accept the trade if I recall correctly, nothing any other team would have done at the time for that haul.

There was no time that Jerry's money gave Jimmy an advantage over other teams.

Lol! You love Jimmy, that quit on us and hate Jerry...the owner the you help line his pockets! Lol!! You guys are hilarious!

 

[Cowpolk]

The salary cap began in 1994, the Cowboys first season without Jimmy Johnson.

Let's pretend that Jerry Jones was realistic about his role and Jimmy's role in the development of that potential dynasty. Jerry relinquishes his position as GM and rightfully offers the position to Jimmy if he agrees to a ten year contract. Let's say Jimmy agrees and is now the GM of the Dallas Cowboys as the NFL enters a new era, the era of the Salary Cap.

This could be controversial. I think Jimmy would have been bottom line. I believe he would not use loyalty as a criteria. I think his logic would have resembled that of Bill Belicek. Contracts would not have been used to reward past achievement. The contract amounts would have mirrored the perceived contribution of the player to future success at market value..

I think Jimmy's handling of the salary cap would have been strictly business, no emotional element other then some regret for not being able to keep a player or two.

Here are some changes I believe Jimmy would have made from what actually happened.

Jimmy would have never signed Dieon Sanders - No way! Not only would Jimmy consider Deion's impact be unequal to his salary, he would not have willingly given up on so many players he could have kept over the years with that salary amount.

Jimmy would never have traded two #1 picks for Joey Galloway. - Jimmy would have acquired most of the talent he needed in the draft. He cherished his #1 picks He might have signed a veteran free agent or two but only if the value was excellent

Jimmy wouldn't have signed Emmitt Smith to a third contract. before the 1996 season - At the very least it he wouldn't have made the 7th year veteran the highest paid player in the NFL at the time and it certainly wouldn't have been an eight year contract. It's possible he may have franchised him for 1996, a year in which Emmitt slid from 4.7 yards a carry to 3.7 yards a carry. Emmitt's prior five season average for yards from scrimmage was 1949 yards and that decreased by almost 500 yards in 1996 to 1453 yards. I tyhink 1996 would have been his last season with the Cowboys.

Jimmy would have been prepared for Troy's retirement - Jimmy would have drafted another QB well ahead of Troy's retirement after 1999. In fact, I doubt Troy would have still been with the Cowboys after the 1998 season. Most likely, his contract would not have been extended at that time.

He would do what Jerry told him to do

 

[nyc-cowboy]

Lol! You love Jimmy, that quit on us and hate Jerry...the owner the you help line his pockets! Lol!! You guys are hilarious!

Wether I like or hate Jimmy and Jerry has nothing to do with subject at hand, you made an assertion so I'm assuming you can give me a few examples of how Jerry's money gave Jimmy an advantage...

 

[zrinkill]

Same way he did in Miami

 

[Ranching]

Wether I like or hate Jimmy and Jerry has nothing to do with subject at hand, you made an assertion so I'm assuming you can give me a few examples of how Jerry's money gave Jimmy an advantage...

If you don't know, you're not a real fan....in my eyes. Fans like you kiss a quitters butt and hate on the owner that you keep relevant, by being a fan.., lol! Ridiculous

 

[nyc-cowboy]

If you don't know, you're not a real fan....in my eyes. Fans like you kiss a quitters butt and hate on the owner that you keep relevant, by being a fan.., lol! Ridiculous

I guess thats a no.

I'll show you my work tho...had a discussion with another poster with the same type of assertion - here is the thread - you can just go to page 4 if you want.


https://cowboyszone.com/threads/comparing-the-head-coaches-jj-has-hired.495268/page-4

 

[conner01]

Interesting food for thought.
Jimmy was not able to build a winner in Miami with the cap.
Really the Walker trade and shrewd drafting are what made Jimmy successful in Dallas.
That and the man could coach!

Great coach
No evidence he could have had the same success in the cap era though
Any speculation about what he would have done or not done is just speculation

 

[conner01]

He would do what Jerry told him to do

I think for all their disagreements, Jerry trusted and respected him enough to listen
But that’s just an opinion that means nothing
Only Jerry knows if he would have listened to jimmy going forward or just how much he listened to jimmy on lots of things
Jimmy biggest ssset was he commanded respect of the players even with Jerry around
To some extent parcels was similar. He didn’t want TO and Jerry got him anyway but even with that the players still respected parcels
To me coaches motivate or intimidate to get players to do what they want. Jimmy was a leader of men because they respected or feared him. Either way it worked lol

 

[conner01]

I don't need it...I know Jimmy and Jerry personally. .....I'm good, thanks

I’ve met and spent time with Jerry
I would love to spend a day talking football with Jimmy
Parcels is a guy I always thought would be really cool to sit and talk football with

 

[nyc-cowboy]

I don't need it...I know Jimmy and Jerry personally. .....I'm good, thanks

Again, what does that have to do with the subject at hand.

 

[Ranching]

Again, what does that have to do with the subject at hand.

You don't get it......adios!

 

[Cowpolk]

I think for all their disagreements, Jerry trusted and respected him enough to listen
But that’s just an opinion that means nothing
Only Jerry knows if he would have listened to jimmy going forward or just how much he listened to jimmy on lots of things
Jimmy biggest ssset was he commanded respect of the players even with Jerry around
To some extent parcels was similar. He didn’t want TO and Jerry got him anyway but even with that the players still respected parcels
To me coaches motivate or intimidate to get players to do what they want. Jimmy was a leader of men because they respected or feared him. Either way it worked lol

Jerry is a wildcatter always has been even in the NFL Jimmy was his 1st wildcat attempt as an owner in the NFL Worked out pretty well even though I do not like Jimmy

 

[eromeopolk]

The salary cap began in 1994, the Cowboys first season without Jimmy Johnson.

Let's pretend that Jerry Jones was realistic about his role and Jimmy's role in the development of that potential dynasty. Jerry relinquishes his position as GM and rightfully offers the position to Jimmy if he agrees to a ten year contract. Let's say Jimmy agrees and is now the GM of the Dallas Cowboys as the NFL enters a new era, the era of the Salary Cap.

This could be controversial. I think Jimmy would have been bottom line. I believe he would not use loyalty as a criteria. I think his logic would have resembled that of Bill Belicek. Contracts would not have been used to reward past achievement. The contract amounts would have mirrored the perceived contribution of the player to future success at market value..

I think Jimmy's handling of the salary cap would have been strictly business, no emotional element other then some regret for not being able to keep a player or two.

Here are some changes I believe Jimmy would have made from what actually happened.

Jimmy would have never signed Dieon Sanders - No way! Not only would Jimmy consider Deion's impact be unequal to his salary, he would not have willingly given up on so many players he could have kept over the years with that salary amount.

Jimmy would never have traded two #1 picks for Joey Galloway. - Jimmy would have acquired most of the talent he needed in the draft. He cherished his #1 picks He might have signed a veteran free agent or two but only if the value was excellent

Jimmy wouldn't have signed Emmitt Smith to a third contract. before the 1996 season - At the very least it he wouldn't have made the 7th year veteran the highest paid player in the NFL at the time and it certainly wouldn't have been an eight year contract. It's possible he may have franchised him for 1996, a year in which Emmitt slid from 4.7 yards a carry to 3.7 yards a carry. Emmitt's prior five season average for yards from scrimmage was 1949 yards and that decreased by almost 500 yards in 1996 to 1453 yards. I tyhink 1996 would have been his last season with the Cowboys.

Jimmy would have been prepared for Troy's retirement - Jimmy would have drafted another QB well ahead of Troy's retirement after 1999. In fact, I doubt Troy would have still been with the Cowboys after the 1998 season. Most likely, his contract would not have been extended at that time.

Jimmy would have done what he did in Miami but with better results because veteran players would have played at a discount for another ring and he had deep young talent already in Dallas...Darrin Smith, Kevin Williams, Ron Stone, Jimmy Smith, Dave Thomas, Brock Marion, Robert Jones, Larry Allen (Ciscowski was Jimmy's man), Tony Richardson, etc.

Jimmy would have traded picks/Aikman for Peyton Manning
https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2...nd-dolphins-could-have-landed-peyton-manning/
Jimmy would not have passed on Randy Moss...Nuff Said

Jimmy Johnson drafted well in Miami (see Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Daryl Gardner, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Rob Konrad, etc.), and he had the Dolphins in the playoffs every year (consecutive years) he was the Head Coach, a feat the current Arlington Jonesboys have not done since 1997-1998.

With Jimmy Johnson in Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys would have won 5-8 Super Bowls from 1994-2010.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

You don't get it......adios!

Maybe so, so why dont you share your knowledge on the subject, I mean this is a Cowboys forum thats what we do here.

We have discussions/ debates people give opinions ect and it doesn't have to be antagonistic, I'm always good with learning new things.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

I don't share much anymore because too many haters kept saying I was jus a HS coach.....so, I stopped trying...plus, when share my personal experiences, I get benched for a couple of days. It is, what it is.....Salud!

To be fair I'm not asking you to share personal stuff, but thats fine, buenas noches.

 

[john van brocklin]

Great coach
No evidence he could have had the same success in the cap era though
Any speculation about what he would have done or not done is just speculation

Yep,
These are the fun discussions we have in the offseason .
Only 94 days to kick off...oh boy

 

[john van brocklin]

The problem with Jimmie was how he did not/could not fulfill building a nucleus of talent thru the NFL draft, as what he helped do build in Dallas.

- We really lucked up getting a chance to draft Emmitt,.. Jimmie never came close to doing that at Miami (Sammie Smith, Troy Straford, and John Avery)
Jimmie's crew did not come up with the nest of draft gems we turned out in Dallas, (Williams, Lett, Emmitt, Harper, Allen, Tolbert, Kevin Smith, D. Woodson, Daryl Smith, Norton, etc)
and he was rewarded No.1 overall with Aikman.

- Jimmie 's best draft acclaims during his Dolphins era seemed to be only Zack Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain; he had all kinds of problems and
disappointments acquiring top offensive talent in Miami.

- Jimmie also had to endure ego battles with declining vet QB Dan Marino, who seemed reluctant to go the Jimmie way of a run-first/pass second as what
was the way in Dallas. Ironic that Jimmie also had a strained relationship with Aikman in the early years going.

- Jimmie would have to acquire his own hand picked capologist (or two?) and work thru their advise as to build around the NFL cap world.
And who knows how that may have turned out.

Jimmy actually had a lot of talent on hand when he took over.
Norton
Irvin
Newton
Gogan
And of course the number one overall draft pick.

 

[plasticman]

Jimmy quit on us when he no longer had a blank check.....

C'mon, that's not how it went down. Jerry started interfering. That right there is enough to undermine a Head Coach's authority and Jimmy was smart enough to realize once that happens, everything will eventually come crashing down.

I can't stress enough how important it is for the players to have a single source of authority as far as they are concerned. any time two people try to be the immediate supervisor you get contradicting messages, then confusion, then everyone starts questioning the authority of that supervisor.

Jimmy knew what kind of team he wanted and the kind of players he wanted on that team. He had a plan and a way to go about achieving it. He had installed a particular culture on that team and Jerry's interference began eroding that team culture and that plan.

Jimmy knew what he was doing. He knew talent. How many players were drafted from the college teams he built, the players he recruited? He came to the Cowboys after winning a college championship. He was a proven elite coach and Jerry wanted to be considered at least equal in terms of credit for that team. As an owner, sure he deserved a lot of credit but as a GM? Please!

Jerry would actually insist that media members take pictures or video of him on the phone during the draft. The phone wasn't connected. He wanted Jimmy to act as though he was soliciting Jerry's opinion. It must gave been loathsome to earn your reputation and then have to comply with a complete phony in order to receive the credit you had earned through hard work.

Everyone keeps saying Jimmy never would have stayed. As long as the Cowboys were doing things his way they would have continued to win for a much longer time and he would have stayed. He may have changed some circumstances, perhaps he would have hired a new HC and maintained the GM position but he would never have walked away from success at the ultimate level. People stay when they reach the point of creating a legacy.

 

[Ranching]

C'mon, that's not how it went down. Jerry started interfering. That right there is enough to undermine a Head Coach's authority and Jimmy was smart enough to realize once that happens, everything will eventually come crashing down.

I can't stress enough how important it is for the players to have a single source of authority as far as they are concerned. any time two people try to be the immediate supervisor you get contradicting messages, then confusion, then everyone starts questioning the authority of that supervisor.

Jimmy knew what kind of team he wanted and the kind of players he wanted on that team. He had a plan and a way to go about achieving it. He had installed a particular culture on that team and Jerry's interference began eroding that team culture and that plan.

Jimmy knew what he was doing. He knew talent. How many players were drafted from the college teams he built, the players he recruited? He came to the Cowboys after winning a college championship. He was a proven elite coach and Jerry wanted to be considered at least equal in terms of credit for that team. As an owner, sure he deserved a lot of credit but as a GM? Please!

Jerry would actually insist that media members take pictures or video of him on the phone during the draft. The phone wasn't connected. He wanted Jimmy to act as though he was soliciting Jerry's opinion. It must gave been loathsome to earn your reputation and then have to comply with a complete phony in order to receive the credit you had earned through hard work.

Everyone keeps saying Jimmy never would have stayed. As long as the Cowboys were doing things his way they would have continued to win for a much longer time and he would have stayed. He may have changed some circumstances, perhaps he would have hired a new HC and maintained the GM position but he would never have walked away from success at the ultimate level. People stay when they reach the point of creating a legacy.

Jerry was the boss and signed the checks...Jimmy didn't know his place and quit.....I'm not saying he was wrong, I would have probably done the same....but, it's a fact.