Hunkering down with a statistically brilliant QB who's a loser

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

Great post Suspect. Do you think you could make a study guide to educate this ignorance. Surely they couldn't hAve known this information.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The Rapers Oline is awful.

Yes it is.

And Ben does all the can.

Just like Romo does.

Give Romo the defense Ben has and Romo wins a lot of these games you're trying to blame on him.

Give Ben the defense Romo has, with the O-Line Ben has, and Ben won't win 6 games a season.

It's pretty much that simple.

I see Rodgers and Brees get the ball out quick and scramble yes. I see the Raper run for his life constantly and still be clutch.Romo is good but he isnt on these guys level.

And what you saw the second half Sunday night was that when Jason FINALLY adjusted and let Romo go to the 3 step and get the ball out quick offense the Cowboys marched right down the field and scored.

If they'd kept doing that they'd have been much better off. For some reason they started going back to the shotgun and the 5 and 7 drops behind an o-line who couldn't block me.

Tell that to New England and New Orleans. Your it's a team theroy is a big failure, and always has been. So please find new material.

Question...when did New England win a Superbowl with a bad defense?

How many times has Brady had a Superbowl victory with a high octane offense?

Oh, that's right, they haven't. Their last Superbowl win was with a darn good defense.


The year New Orleans won it their defense wasn't great, by any stretch, but they were very good at getting turnovers. That's a HUGE deal. Much like Greenbay if you get a lot of turnovers you can allow a lot of yards.


How many turn overs does this defense create? Oh yeah, that's right, they don't. They drop INTs, fail to fall on fumbles and instead kick them back to the hands of the opposing QB, and generally have no clue, at all, how to create turnovers.


But yeah, other than those facts, things are exactly the same for New England, Pittsburgh, Greenbay, and the Saints.

We Will Never Win A Ring With Romo!

Just like Dallas would never win a ring with Dirk?

Oh, wait, you wouldn't know much about those debates. Apparently you jumped on the Dallas bandwagon, or so I've heard.

Funny we finished 6-10 last year without Tony and with a worse team. What makes you think we would be 2-14 this year without him? Please educate yourself instead of blindly following Tony.

Quick question....

You don't think the coaching change had a thing to do with that? So what you're saying is that if we'd kept Wade that those same guys who got BLOWN OUT by the Jags and Greenbay, after Romo went down, would have suddenly started playing harder and better for Wade?


If you do I've got some ocean front property for you in Oklahoma.

Let's not forget that the team was playing bad with Tony in there but they were in every single game he played in. The first two games after he went down...34-7 and 45-7. Back to back absolute woodshed beatings.

Make no mistake about this. That run at the end of last year was a mirage created by changing coaches and those players suddenly being afraid for their jobs and losing their big contracts.


Keep Wade the entire year last year the team goes 1-15.

 

[MetalHead]

I have serious hatred for threads like this.
Memo to the OP,we lost because OUR DEFENSE COULD NEVER MAKE A STOP WHEN IT MATTERED.

Did not stop the Jets,Lions(yeah,Romo threw 2 pick 6,and we scored 30 points),Cardinals,Patriots,and Giants.

We have a defense with a very low football IQ.Ball cannot play,Sensabaugh is the king of taking bad angles,Newman is done...

And who are you gonna replace Romo with?
Always pointing at the wrong "problem" but never,ever offering a viable solution.

"Uh,it's time to replace Romo..."

With who?...he's what we have and we are lucky to have him.
31 tds,9 ints and a rating of 102.
When you look at those numbers,you realize we do not have a problem at that position.

The problem is the D.

 

[MetalHead]

Give Romo the defense Ben has and Romo wins a lot of these games you're trying to blame on him.

End of thread.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Yeah, cause we are going places with Romo.. let me tell ya.

When Romo and his 100+ QB rating retire and we go back to the Quincy Carter's and Chad Hutchinson's of the league..............I am going to laugh my arse off watching us go 3-13 every year.

Then all of you guys can tell us how much better off we are without that loser QB. And for you guys thinking there is going to be a 1st round QB, dont hold your breathe. Jerry has said numerous times that taking a QB high is too risky and not worth it, that is why he never drafted a QB high after Aikman.

So unless we hit on another undrafted FA QB or a late round gem, you guys are going to be waiting a hell of a long time for this "winner QB" to appear.

Its going to be fun picking in the top 10 every year.

 

[MetalHead]

Cowboys by the numbers:

Offense:
Passing #7 in the NFL...for a team that led most of its games!
Rushing#18...Take Murray's almost 900 yds and we are talking easily #25 or worse.

Defense:
Passing#23...wonder where the bulk of those yards came from?...4th qtr.
Rushing#7...Soften em up front for 3 qtrs,pass on them freely in the 4th.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

When Romo and his 100+ QB rating retire and we go back to the Quincy Carter's and Chad Hutchinson's of the league..............I am going to laugh my arse off watching us go 3-13 every year.

Then all of you guys can tell us how much better off we are without that loser QB. And for you guys thinking there is going to be a 1st round QB, dont hold your breathe. Jerry has said numerous times that taking a QB high is too risky and not worth it, that is why he never drafted a QB high after Aikman.

So unless we hit on another undrafted FA QB or a late round gem, you guys are going to be waiting a hell of a long time for this "winner QB" to appear.

Its going to be fun picking in the top 10 every year.

I'm afraid that I just won't be able to find any fun in that. Mostly because that just causes me the pain of watching that every year, which is no good for me, and the people who hate Romo wouldn't get it anyway.

 

[Greatestalltime]

Is it possible we can all ignore these threads. Unless a solution is offered with the stupid statement?

 

[Dodger]

We are the only team that a has a QB with 20+ TDs to INTs not in the playoffs this eyar. When Arron Rodger's back up can put up nearly 500 yards passing and 5 TDs, then either the Packers have their own version of Tom Brady sitting on the sideline or they are a heck of a lot better team than we are.

Isn't there something fundamentally wrong when Romo is the 4th highest rated QB and Ware was a 1/2 sack away from being the only player to EVER reach 20 sacks twice and yet every time we lose someone bemoans that either Romo or Ware didn't do enough for us to win.

That simply means we don't have a team around our few exceptional players to win games. We have zero depth, so if our starters go down like on the O-line then we simply fall apart. Go look at our drafting the last 15 years and it is awful. That is the source of our woos.

I have no idea what makes someone blame the best players on the team instead of the worst players. And that's exactly what's happening. I think a team is only as good as it's worst parts, and I'm sure GMs do too which is why they draft guards, defensive tackles and such. Why? To make the TEAM better. If it was just about the QB, why do teams draft offensive tackles and defensive linemen way up at the top of the first round all the time? Why not just snatch up all the available QBs first?

Thanks for being honest. Nice truthful post. It is painful to say Eli is better, but it's the truth.

Actually, I like Eli, always have. But I'm not going to ridicule myself by saying he's better than Romo just because he played on a championship team.

No Super Bowl-winning QB has ever truly carried his team there. Do you even know how much those guys weigh?

I won't even go into Roethlisberger's first championship (2005 season) - that should be obvious to anyone with a memory. But, leading up to Roethlisberger's second Super Bowl (2008 season) their defense was ranked 1st overall, 1st vs. pass, 2nd vs. run, 51 sacks, 20 INT, 9 FR. They held fourteen of their sixteen regular season opponents under 300 yards of total offense - and half of them to 10 points or less. Now THAT'S defense. And Roethlisberger? 17 TD, 15 INT, 46 sacks - passer rating 80.1 (24th).

In an AFCDG the Steelers beat the Chargers 35-24... awesome Big Ben, right? Wrong. He went 17/26 for 181 yards and 1 TD (0 INT). Fortunately for them, Santonio Holmes had a 67-yard punt return for a TD - and Willie Parker rang up 146 on 27 carries with two of the Steelers' three rushing TDs on the day. Although the Steelers' defense did yield 308 yards and 3 TDs to Phillip Rivers - much of that came after the Chargers found themselves trailing 28-10 less than one minute into the 4th quarter. The Steelers' D also picked off Rivers once, sacked him four times, and allowed the Chargers a paltry 15 yards rushing.

In the AFCCG the Steelers beat the Ravens 23-14. Roethlisberger was 16/33 for 255, 1 TD, 0 INT, 4 sacks - nothing to write home about. However, his Ravens' counterpart Joe Flacco had a terrible day at the office. Flacco was 13/30, 141 yards, 3 sacks, 3 INT - with the second a 40-yard 'pick 6' returned by Troy Polamalu. Both the Ravens TDs came from Willis McGahee (60 yards on 20 carries, 1 lost fumble). Steelers also added FGs of 34, 42, and 46 yards.

In Super Bowl XLIII Roethlisberger went 21/30, 256, 1 TD, 1 INT - 5 of 7, 74 yards, and his lone TD coming as 'Big Ben' did the dink-and-dunk thing on the game winning 78-yard drive. He attempted one deep pass (incomplete) during that drive. Everything else was a short ball - one of which Santonio Holmes happened to run 40 yards with to the Arizona 6. And, while Ben's 6-yard corner endzone pass was well-placed, it required an amazing job of body-control and concentration for Holmes to haul it in for the winning TD. Which is just part of the reason Holmes, not Roethlisberger, was named the game MVP. Another being James Harrison's return of Kurt Warner's lone INT of the day right before halftime - talk about huge. Heck, it could easily argued that Warner outplayed Roethlisberger - going 31 of 43, 377 yards, 3 TD, and 1 INT despite going up against the league's top-ranked defense. Prior to the game winning drive Roethlisberger was 16 of 23 for 182 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT. Santonio Holmes should get a Christmas card from Big Ben every year - include some cash in it, too. Because he and the Steelers defense are more responsible for his 'big game' reputation than Roethlisberger is.



In Tom Brady's first Superbowl win (XXXVI, 20-17 over the Rams) he threw for all of 145 yds, 16 of 27, 1 TD, 0 INT. But his defense contributed three sacks, a fumble recovery, and two INTs - one of which was returned 58 yards for a TD. And Vinatieri had the game winning FG with 00:06 left.

In the Divisional round Brady threw for over 300 yards in the snow (0 TD, 1 INT). But their defense held the Raiders to 230 net yards and 13 points (1 sack, 0 INT, 0 FR) - Vinatieri going 3/3 on FGs, including the 23-yard game winner in OT . Final: 16-13 Patriots.

In the AFCCG, Brady was 12/18 for 115 yards (0 TD, 0 INT) before being knocked out of the game (just before halftime) on the Steelers second sack of him - Drew Bledsoe completing their lone TD drive on offense. Meanwhile the NE defense held the Steelers to 17 points and about 60 yards rushing (3 sacks, 3 INT, 0 FR). Troy Brown had a 55-yard punt return for a TD - and recovered a blocked Steelers' 34-yard FG attempt in a wild play that resulted in yet another Patriots' special teams TD. And again Vinatieri went 3/3 on FGs with a long of 40 yards. Final: 24-17 Patriots.


In Brady's second championship campaign (2003) he threw for 3620 yards, 29 TD, 19 INT - passer rating 85.9 (10th). Meanwhile, the Patriots' defense yielded a league-low 14.9 points per game: 41 sacks, 29 INTs, and 12 FR. They also held each of their AFCDG (Titans) and AFCCG (Colts) opponents to 14 points in winning 17-14 and 24-14 respectively. And they ultimately prevailed in a shootout with the Panthers in Superbowl XXXVIII, 32-29... Vinatieri with the game-winning FG from 41 yards. The Patriots defense had four sacks in the SB - compared to 0 for the Panthers.


In Brady's third championship season (2004) he threw for 3692 yards, 28 TD, 14 INT - passer rating 92.6 (9th).The Patriots defense allowed 16.3 PPG (T-2nd), 45 sacks (T-3rd), 20 INT (T-7th).

In the AFCDG round NE beat the Colts, 20-3. Brady was 18 of 27 for 144 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, and sacked 3 times. He added another TD on a QB sneak. Peyton Manning was 27 of 42 for 238, 0 TD, 1 INT, and sacked once. The Patriots defense kept the Colts out of the endzone, collecting 1 INT and two fumbles, while the NE offense racked up 200 yards rushing with no turnovers. Vinatieri was 2 for 2 on FGs.

They then beat the Steelers in the AFCCG, 41-27. Brady was 14 of 21 for 207, 2 TD, 0 INT, sacked twice - Big Ben 14 of 24 for 226, 2 TD, 3 INT, sacked once. The NE defense created four turnovers, 1 fumble and three picks, which ultimately resulted in 24 NE points - 3 TDs and a FG (one INT being an 87-yard 'pick six' by Rodney Harrison). The Steelers defense created zero turnovers. Everything ELSE in that game was fairly even: First Downs: NE 18, PIT 19; Net Yardage: NE 322, PIT 388; TOP: NE 28:29, PIT 31:31, etc.

In Super Bowl XXIX NE prevailed over the Eagles 24-21. Brady went 23 of 33 for 236 yards with 2 TDs, 0 INT and sacked twice. His Eagle counterpart Donovan McNabb finished 30 of 51 for 357, 3 TDs, 3 INT and sacked four times. Both teams lost one fumble, neither of which resulted in a score. But Brady did have a drive-killing redzone fumble on 2nd-and-four from the PHI 4-yd line. And none of McNabbs three picks ultimately resulted in a Patriot score. But they did kill his teams' drives: one occurred on 1st-and-10 from the NE 19 yd line and another on 1st-and-10 from the NE 36. Outside of the 4-to-1 difference in turnovers everything else was pretty even: First Downs - NE 21, PHI 24; Net Yards - NE 331, PHI 369; Penalties - NE 7/47, PHI 3/35; TOP - NE 31:37, PHI 28:23. Which is why the lone FG attempt of the game proved to be the difference in the final score. Just a well-fought and pretty even matchup - one of the better Super Bowls I've seen.


Welp... I'll have to save New Orleans' and Green Bay's defensive contributions to their championships for another day.

Outstanding examples. Thanks for doing that work. Unfortunately, all that evidence will be conveniently ignored by the Romo sucks crowd.

All right, I can't read this whole thing. Did the genius ever offer a viable solution as several people asked? Please tell me which page I would really like this answered from one genius that starts these threads. Thank you

No, and you'll never get any kind of solution from them.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This post pretty much sums it all up

Yes, ever body go home.

I am working on my next post "Hey, We needs to draft a QB in round 1 Cause Romo won't do it with this bunch and even if surrounded by a great team, we'll be shouting 'No, Tony! No, Tony! No!"

Please chim in when it appear on dis Forum because my heart belong only to dis forum and not the real popular ones.

 

[dfense]

Unfortunately for us, Romo puts butts in the seats and if it makes Dollars, it makes sense to Jerry. Romo is nothing more than a small school over achieving undrafted free agent for good reason.

You need the stomach to do this. You need the wisdom to go up against the best of the best. Romo makes a living out of murdering sorry teams, and teasing us with great teams, but he can't consistently beat great defenses. To be a Super Bowl quarterback, you need "IT", and Romo doesn't have "IT". His fans are so hurt right now because they want to prove guys like me wrong and blame everything around him. But Romo's been here for years, through some pretty good defenses, some real solid offensive lines, some great WRs, through 3 coaches, and no matter what Coach, what offensive line, what receivers, what defense, HE JUST CAN'T GET IT DONE. Trade this bum to some dumb team who will give up a 1st rounder for his empty stats, and let's start the rebuilding process. And for goodness sake, GET RID OF THE 3-4 DEFENSE.

Do you want to share with me the "pretty good defenses" he's been around? Or SOLID? offensive lines for that matter. You are referring to the Cowboys right?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

When Romo and his 100+ QB rating retire and we go back to the Quincy Carter's and Chad Hutchinson's of the league..............I am going to laugh my arse off watching us go 3-13 every year.

Then all of you guys can tell us how much better off we are without that loser QB. And for you guys thinking there is going to be a 1st round QB, dont hold your breathe. Jerry has said numerous times that taking a QB high is too risky and not worth it, that is why he never drafted a QB high after Aikman.

Yes, Romo the winner is gonna have to win a Super Bowl within 2 years because then he'll be nearing his mid-30s and then what will we do?

Wish we had drafted a 1st-round Qb in 2012 or just go to FA and get a retread? I guess then we'll draft a QB and wait until, oh, 2016 for the draftee to mature and play NFL ball.

 

[Hook'em#11]

I think Romo should go.

Not yet though. He is hardly the problem.


The problem of this team has been, and I feel like I am beating a dead horse, IS and HAS BEEN the defense. It hasn't changed. The same stale players are playing in the same position. Half of this lot should receive pink slips come cut day.

And , then, the offense. ewwww.

WR's don't know where to line up, run the wrong routes. The team FINALLY finds a RB worth a damn in D. Murray, he gets injured. The other RB's? Nothing, run of the mill guys.

The O-line has been an issue for almost as long as this piss poor defense. D. Free was a horrible signing, is an average LT. The only bright of course this season was Smith. Hopefully he will continue to get better. The rest of the O-line? Garbage. I know , can't throw em all out. but, atleast two should be gone from this roster next season.

Coaching staff needs to be fired as well.


But, crap, what was I thinking? It is still all Romo.. I mean, cause afterall, he single handedly picked out this worthless bunch of coaches. Damn that Romo.

After all, HE is the one that signed some awful players. HE is the one more than likely had Murray injured, yep, can't have a decent RB back there.

I am sure it was Romo who went out and let Manning throw up , yet MORE ducks that were supposed to be passes, only to watch Dallas's horrible db's watch it float right into the Giants WR's hands. I made two ham sandwiches and downed 6 pack before Cruz caught that duck while Scandrick did what he did, which was nothing. Helen Keller could of broken up that pass.

But, wait, Still Romo, it was Romo that let a once again, "banged up O-line, with linemen playing in positions for the first time or being 2nd stringers" beat up this "good" (and, I use that term loosely) front seven of Dallas, Yep, that darn Romo.

And, yes, it was Romo that downed the ball on a Punt by the goal line last Sunday, only to have it not count because he was the first player to touch the ball AFTER coming back in bounds from being OUT OF BOUNDS..

No, wait, that was Ball. Meh,, Silly details. I bet Romo told Ball to be the moron that he is.

It was also Romo's fault for EVERY DROP one year wonder Austin dropped this season too. Forgot about that.

But, let it be told. Romo did IN FACT hurt his team in the last 3? 4 games I think?

He threw what was it ? 2 INT's in that span?I might be wrong.


I am a huge non believer in Romo, I have admitted that. But, this blaming Romo is just getting stupid. Sure , he has had his problems and has hurt this team. But, nothing in the past 8 games where he was playing very well.

To judge this season and base it on Romo being a loser?

Keep reaching.

Yes, Dallas is stuck with Romo. That's fine for now. He can be that bus driver. I wish for once the other 51 players would pull their weight as well.

 

[SacredStar]

Mens, fellow travelers, cubicle dwellers, persons of interest and trappists monks:

I come to you with a heavy heart and mental holiday detritous. It's about the man known as Tony Romo.

Tony Romo has a resume that would make Danny White proud. He yawns at 300-plus passing days. He kin do it in his sleep.
He can take NFL teams to 9-7 repeatedly. His golf swing is a work in progress, but be assured he will be an average to almost good golf player on day.
But as to football, we now come to the awful realization, as determined by my furtile brain, that he's a loser in big games. He'll fumble. He'll throw picks. He'll mismanage the clock and take a sack while the Eli Mannings of the world elude them.
Face it: Tony Romo is a loser for us.

A lot of guys I work with say the same thing. They say Romo doesn't have that "it" that guys like Peyton, Aaron, Drew, or even Ben have. He makes too many mistakes at crucial times. And the defense.....they say GB has a worse defense, New Orleans has a worse defense....why do they keep winning?? Because of their QB.

Maybe, just maybe, you and them are on to something.

 

[DallasEast]

You would think this whole style of posting would get old for a person after a while.

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I blame the uranium components built into those old, oversized microphones. Close extended exposure will... well... we already know.

 

[ufcrules1]

A lot of guys I work with say the same thing. They say Romo doesn't have that "it" that guys like Peyton, Aaron, Drew, or even Ben have. He makes too many mistakes at crucial times. And the defense.....they say GB has a worse defense, New Orleans has a worse defense....why do they keep winning?? Because of their QB.

Maybe, just maybe, you and them are on to something.

Romo certainly is playing a role in us losing...along with the offensive line, defensive line, and secondary. He lost 2 games all by himself this year. He runs into his own guys when he is pressured, he runs past the line of scrimmage and throws passes when he could simply run for the first down, he over throws his receivers (Dez on Sunday nght... would have been 6 points), he throws interceptions at the most inopportune times. He is a freaking bone head at all the wrong times! He is certainly part of the problem here.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

No Super Bowl-winning QB has ever truly carried his team there. Do you even know how much those guys weigh?

I won't even go into Roethlisberger's first championship (2005 season) - that should be obvious to anyone with a memory. But, leading up to Roethlisberger's second Super Bowl (2008 season) their defense was ranked 1st overall, 1st vs. pass, 2nd vs. run, 51 sacks, 20 INT, 9 FR. They held fourteen of their sixteen regular season opponents under 300 yards of total offense - and half of them to 10 points or less. Now THAT'S defense. And Roethlisberger? 17 TD, 15 INT, 46 sacks - passer rating 80.1 (24th).

In an AFCDG the Steelers beat the Chargers 35-24... awesome Big Ben, right? Wrong. He went 17/26 for 181 yards and 1 TD (0 INT). Fortunately for them, Santonio Holmes had a 67-yard punt return for a TD - and Willie Parker rang up 146 on 27 carries with two of the Steelers' three rushing TDs on the day. Although the Steelers' defense did yield 308 yards and 3 TDs to Phillip Rivers - much of that came after the Chargers found themselves trailing 28-10 less than one minute into the 4th quarter. The Steelers' D also picked off Rivers once, sacked him four times, and allowed the Chargers a paltry 15 yards rushing.

In the AFCCG the Steelers beat the Ravens 23-14. Roethlisberger was 16/33 for 255, 1 TD, 0 INT, 4 sacks - nothing to write home about. However, his Ravens' counterpart Joe Flacco had a terrible day at the office. Flacco was 13/30, 141 yards, 3 sacks, 3 INT - with the second a 40-yard 'pick 6' returned by Troy Polamalu. Both the Ravens TDs came from Willis McGahee (60 yards on 20 carries, 1 lost fumble). Steelers also added FGs of 34, 42, and 46 yards.

In Super Bowl XLIII Roethlisberger went 21/30, 256, 1 TD, 1 INT - 5 of 7, 74 yards, and his lone TD coming as 'Big Ben' did the dink-and-dunk thing on the game winning 78-yard drive. He attempted one deep pass (incomplete) during that drive. Everything else was a short ball - one of which Santonio Holmes happened to run 40 yards with to the Arizona 6. And, while Ben's 6-yard corner endzone pass was well-placed, it required an amazing job of body-control and concentration for Holmes to haul it in for the winning TD. Which is just part of the reason Holmes, not Roethlisberger, was named the game MVP. Another being James Harrison's return of Kurt Warner's lone INT of the day right before halftime - talk about huge. Heck, it could easily argued that Warner outplayed Roethlisberger - going 31 of 43, 377 yards, 3 TD, and 1 INT despite going up against the league's top-ranked defense. Prior to the game winning drive Roethlisberger was 16 of 23 for 182 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT. Santonio Holmes should get a Christmas card from Big Ben every year - include some cash in it, too. Because he and the Steelers defense are more responsible for his 'big game' reputation than Roethlisberger is.



In Tom Brady's first Superbowl win (XXXVI, 20-17 over the Rams) he threw for all of 145 yds, 16 of 27, 1 TD, 0 INT. But his defense contributed three sacks, a fumble recovery, and two INTs - one of which was returned 58 yards for a TD. And Vinatieri had the game winning FG with 00:06 left.

In the Divisional round Brady threw for over 300 yards in the snow (0 TD, 1 INT). But their defense held the Raiders to 230 net yards and 13 points (1 sack, 0 INT, 0 FR) - Vinatieri going 3/3 on FGs, including the 23-yard game winner in OT . Final: 16-13 Patriots.

In the AFCCG, Brady was 12/18 for 115 yards (0 TD, 0 INT) before being knocked out of the game (just before halftime) on the Steelers second sack of him - Drew Bledsoe completing their lone TD drive on offense. Meanwhile the NE defense held the Steelers to 17 points and about 60 yards rushing (3 sacks, 3 INT, 0 FR). Troy Brown had a 55-yard punt return for a TD - and recovered a blocked Steelers' 34-yard FG attempt in a wild play that resulted in yet another Patriots' special teams TD. And again Vinatieri went 3/3 on FGs with a long of 40 yards. Final: 24-17 Patriots.


In Brady's second championship campaign (2003) he threw for 3620 yards, 29 TD, 19 INT - passer rating 85.9 (10th). Meanwhile, the Patriots' defense yielded a league-low 14.9 points per game: 41 sacks, 29 INTs, and 12 FR. They also held each of their AFCDG (Titans) and AFCCG (Colts) opponents to 14 points in winning 17-14 and 24-14 respectively. And they ultimately prevailed in a shootout with the Panthers in Superbowl XXXVIII, 32-29... Vinatieri with the game-winning FG from 41 yards. The Patriots defense had four sacks in the SB - compared to 0 for the Panthers.


In Brady's third championship season (2004) he threw for 3692 yards, 28 TD, 14 INT - passer rating 92.6 (9th).The Patriots defense allowed 16.3 PPG (T-2nd), 45 sacks (T-3rd), 20 INT (T-7th).

In the AFCDG round NE beat the Colts, 20-3. Brady was 18 of 27 for 144 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, and sacked 3 times. He added another TD on a QB sneak. Peyton Manning was 27 of 42 for 238, 0 TD, 1 INT, and sacked once. The Patriots defense kept the Colts out of the endzone, collecting 1 INT and two fumbles, while the NE offense racked up 200 yards rushing with no turnovers. Vinatieri was 2 for 2 on FGs.

They then beat the Steelers in the AFCCG, 41-27. Brady was 14 of 21 for 207, 2 TD, 0 INT, sacked twice - Big Ben 14 of 24 for 226, 2 TD, 3 INT, sacked once. The NE defense created four turnovers, 1 fumble and three picks, which ultimately resulted in 24 NE points - 3 TDs and a FG (one INT being an 87-yard 'pick six' by Rodney Harrison). The Steelers defense created zero turnovers. Everything ELSE in that game was fairly even: First Downs: NE 18, PIT 19; Net Yardage: NE 322, PIT 388; TOP: NE 28:29, PIT 31:31, etc.

In Super Bowl XXIX NE prevailed over the Eagles 24-21. Brady went 23 of 33 for 236 yards with 2 TDs, 0 INT and sacked twice. His Eagle counterpart Donovan McNabb finished 30 of 51 for 357, 3 TDs, 3 INT and sacked four times. Both teams lost one fumble, neither of which resulted in a score. But Brady did have a drive-killing redzone fumble on 2nd-and-four from the PHI 4-yd line. And none of McNabbs three picks ultimately resulted in a Patriot score. But they did kill his teams' drives: one occurred on 1st-and-10 from the NE 19 yd line and another on 1st-and-10 from the NE 36. Outside of the 4-to-1 difference in turnovers everything else was pretty even: First Downs - NE 21, PHI 24; Net Yards - NE 331, PHI 369; Penalties - NE 7/47, PHI 3/35; TOP - NE 31:37, PHI 28:23. Which is why the lone FG attempt of the game proved to be the difference in the final score. Just a well-fought and pretty even matchup - one of the better Super Bowls I've seen.


Welp... I'll have to save New Orleans' and Green Bay's defensive contributions to their championships for another day.

Good work, Suspect.

In each case, the winning quarterback posted fairly pedestrian numbers. They illustrate the veracity of one of Jimmy's many truism: "It's not the number of good plays you make. It's the number of bad plays."

 

[ufcrules1]

Good work, Suspect.

In each case, the winning quarterback posted fairly pedestrian numbers. They illustrate the veracity of one of Jimmy's many truism: "It's not the number of good plays you make. It's the number of bad plays."

At the most inopportune times too.

 

[Stautner]

Most QB's can win if the circumstances are right. Very few teams are going to be solid everywhere on the field. They are going to have weaknesses somewhere. Our offensive line was probably middle of the road this year and we still had problems putting up points against some mediocre teams....why? How does that happen when you have the receivers/TE/RB that Romo had? You are going to just blame the offensive line? Sure, if nobody could penetrate the offensive line, Romo would tear it up, but then again so could Grossman.

And a lot of QB's have won with the right circumstances - some far worse QB's than Romo. That's why I will say Romo doesn't stand out as a great QB the way some claim, but I'm not exactly on the "Romo can't win" bandwagon either.

As for putting up points, you are probably right that it is worth noting that with all the big yardage stats piled up by Romo led offenses, the scoring is generally very middle of the road.

 

[Deep_South]

And a lot of QB's have won with the right circumstances - some far worse QB's than Romo. That's why I will say Romo doesn't stand out as a great QB the way some claim, but I'm not exactly on the "Romo can't win" bandwagon either.

As for putting up points, you are probably right that it is worth noting that with all the big yardage stats piled up by Romo led offenses, the scoring is generally very middle of the road.

Back when MBIII was in his prime and we had some blocking, scoring in the red zone was no problem.