Hurns vs. Beasley

[lukin2006]

Neither, get Adam Humphries.

 

[Future]

A slot WR is not that valuable, especially with what should be 2 good to great outside receivers and a TE group that isn’t as bad as most think.

Draft one or sign one cheap. Not into dedicating any real money to the 3rd WR position. Many higher priorities like D-Line and S. I’d even put backup RB higher on the list personally

I don't understand how people watch the Patriots win Super bowls and then still undervalue the slot position.

You're not going to draft a player who is anywhere near as good as Beasley until maybe 2020. Cowboys fans have badly lost sight of how good he is.

 

[vlad]

I don't understand the reasoning to keep Hurns around. Seemed like a poor signing to begin with.

 

[Nightman]

Good question

@Nightman

Injury settlements only cover injuries that occur during the current League year, which begins March 13th

AHurns got hurt in 2018 so unless his 2019 contract is guaranteed for injury he can be cut at any time with no settlement.... it does not have any guarantees

AHurns has a Team Option due on March 12th..... he is technically not even under contract.... if DAL does nothing then he simply remains a UFA..... DAL has to actually pick up the option of 4m.... the other 1.25m is in game day roster bonuses

If they decline the option they will save 5m against the cap

 

[jrumann59]

Hurns was not running out of the slot position. I'm not sure Beasley would have posted 65 catches if he was operating from the outside spot

Beasley would have 20 catches running from the outside in this offense, he can't win any type of contested catch, probably could not handle bump and run.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Injury settlements only cover injuries that occur during the current League year, which begins March 13th

AHurns got hurt in 2018 so unless his 2019 contract is guaranteed for injury he can be cut at any time with no settlement.... it does not have any guarantees

AHurns has a Team Option due on March 12th..... he is technically not even under contract.... if DAL does nothing then he simply remains a UFA..... DAL has to actually pick up the option of 4m.... the other 1.25m is in game day roster bonuses

If they decline the option they will save 5m against the cap

Thank you for the clarification

 

[Irvin88_4life]

2019 stats:
Beasley
65 catches for 672 yards and 3TDs

Hurns
20 catches for 295 yards and 2TDs


Hurns production over the last two years has been below average, meanwhile Beasley has been consistently producing since 2014. Everyone keeps saying Hurns can play the slot. Well his numbers indicate he can't. He was very underwhelming playing outside as well.

Allen Hurns is set to have a cap hit of 6.25 million for 2019.

Beasley has a strong case for 20 million guaranteed.

Hopefully they can negotiate and get down to 16 million guaranteed with Beasley.

Haha Beasley been consistently producing.......if you don't count his 34 catch season. Dude is most over rated player on this team.

 

[817Gill]

I don't understand how people watch the Patriots win Super bowls and then still undervalue the slot position.

You're not going to draft a player who is anywhere near as good as Beasley until maybe 2020. Cowboys fans have badly lost sight of how good he is.

The Patriots are not a good team to compare anyone to. Their combination of owner, coach, qb is and will be unmatched for the foreseeable future and has been ever since 2001 or so.

No other team can win that way and trying to build a team in their veign will never work. Look at all the Belicheck assistants try to build Pats culture and football philosophy in other locker rooms and fail.

Also the Pats always try to get big time outside receiver help, it just hasn’t gone their way recently. So they adapt and win with what they have, which is multiple slot guys. Obviously if we wanted to run our offense through the slot Beas would be a priority. Beasley’s value was inflated because of the lack of other pass catching weapons. That’s a fact, no one came into any offseason with Beas as the focal point of the passing attack. He didn’t even have a significant role until 2016 aka the end of Dez and Witten.

But we won’t run the O through the slot because no one except the unmatchable Pats does. The WR’s that give you the most value and playmaking ability reside on the outside and that’s how it’s always been. A good slot helps but has never been an integral piece to SB puzzle. Only in NE are you fooled into thinking that.

Also while we might not be able to draft a guy as good as Beas is right now, we can still get a guy like Isabella or Renfrow who can provide immediate impact. Slot guys are the easiest to scout and acquire because they are pretty easy to evaluate. They don’t play against press coverage and don’t run a full route tree. Short area quickness, reliable hands, and a decent football IQ and you got yourself a slot.

There’s a new one every year and there will be a new one in Dallas come the 2019 season.

 

[Verdict]

Beasley will 20 million guarenteed from a bad team that needs to overpay players to get to the salary. He isn't worth anything close to it. Just because he was more productive than an unproductive player doesn't mean he is worth anything close to what he is asking

Only 4 teams are currently below the 4 year salary floor and one of those teams is the Cowboys.

 

[Doomsday101]

What’s the scouting report on former Jaguars teammate Allen Hurns?

Church: ”What [the Cowboys are] going to get in that guy — he was definitely one of the hardest workers out of our locker room last year. He had a lot of bumps and bruises throughout the season, and he didn’t complain once. He just went back out there and did his job, and did his job really well.”

“To me, he’s more of an inside slot receiver who can also play outside. It’s going to be interesting to see how they put him in there just because you guys got a great slot receiver already in [Cole] Beasley. So, it’s going to be interesting to see how they do him.”

”But, in my opinion, he’s a great slot receiver with the ability to play outside. He’s a good blocker, ultimate teammate, so there’s a great pickup for the Cowboys.”

Why do you think he’s better in the slot?

Church: ”That’s just where I saw him do a lot of his damage this season. It was my first year playing with him, and first year really kind of watching him out there, and I felt like he was able to get open more and basically be able to find the ball more being in the slot.”

”He was a key guy on third downs for us. He’s one of our leading receiver on third down, and that’s where he worked out of — the slot. I feel like he did a lot of his damage in there, and best damage in there.”


https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2018/...ch-scouting-report-allen-hurns-dallas-cowboys

Personally I would have no problem with using Hurns at slot and at times using Cooper at Slot. If Beasley goes I don't think it will be difficult to replace him and I would expect at some point in the draft to bring in another WR

 

[buybuydandavis]

2019 stats:
Beasley
65 catches for 672 yards and 3TDs

Hurns
20 catches for 295 yards and 2TDs


Hurns production over the last two years has been below average, meanwhile Beasley has been consistently producing since 2014. Everyone keeps saying Hurns can play the slot. Well his numbers indicate he can't. He was very underwhelming playing outside as well.

Allen Hurns is set to have a cap hit of 6.25 million for 2019.

Beasley has a strong case for 20 million guaranteed.

Hopefully they can negotiate and get down to 16 million guaranteed with Beasley.

Hurns is way overpriced for his production last year and his position this year. They'll probably want to keep him to churn a comp pick, but only if they can get the 6mil number down and production up. It's likely they have hope for the latter, as they were willing to ride into the season with him as our #1.

"Beasley has a strong case for 20 million guaranteed."

Look at last year's free agent market, and make that case. I don't see it. Far from it. Look at ages and guaranteed at signing money. Only one WR got over 18mil guaranteed at signing. The highest for players 28+ was for Crabtree at 8.

I've always thought older free agent WRs were undervalued.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2018/all/wide-receiver/

 

[buybuydandavis]

Personally I would have no problem with using Hurns at slot and at times using Cooper at Slot. If Beasley goes I don't think it will be difficult to replace him and I would expect at some point in the draft to bring in another WR

The advantage of Hurns is that he can play outside, letting us move Cooper into the slot. Big plus.

The disadvantage is that a guy like Beasley is just going to give you more separation, and Dak works better with separation than fitting a ball into a window with a bigger guy.

The other advantage is Hurns is under contract, while if we let Beasley go we churn a comp pick. In terms of comp picks, you want to let Beasley go this year, and Hurns the next.

 

[xwalker]

2019 stats:
Beasley
65 catches for 672 yards and 3TDs

Hurns
20 catches for 295 yards and 2TDs


Hurns production over the last two years has been below average, meanwhile Beasley has been consistently producing since 2014. Everyone keeps saying Hurns can play the slot. Well his numbers indicate he can't. He was very underwhelming playing outside as well.

Allen Hurns is set to have a cap hit of 6.25 million for 2019.

Beasley has a strong case for 20 million guaranteed.

Hopefully they can negotiate and get down to 16 million guaranteed with Beasley.

I'm skeptical that Hurns plays game 1 for any team. The injury was quite severe.

If he does play for the Cowboys, it's unlikely to be for 6.25M.

In their season with the most catches:
Beasley 6.25 per game
Hurns 7 per game

Prior to coming to Dallas, Hurns had good stats on a per snap played basis. He was rarely a full time player, but did produce relative to the number of snaps he played.

Hurns could function as the defacto #1 WR prior to the Cooper trade. By then Gallup had taken the #2 outside WR position.

In previous years Hurns likely would have been better than TWill as the Cowboys #2 outside WR.

My gut feeling is that neither Hurns or Beasley end up playing for the Cowboys in 2019.

 

[Doomsday101]

The advantage of Hurns is that he can play outside, letting us move Cooper into the slot. Big plus.

The disadvantage is that a guy like Beasley is just going to give you more separation, and Dak works better with separation than fitting a ball into a window with a bigger guy.

The other advantage is Hurns is under contract, while if we let Beasley go we churn a comp pick. In terms of comp picks, you want to let Beasley go this year, and Hurns the next.

I would still use Hurns in the slot just saying I would at time line up Hurns to the outside and motion Cooper into the slot. I like Beasley but given other contract I feel they need to take care of I don't see Beasley returning. I just think we can still be very productive at WR including slot. I also expect a 2nd year player in Gallup to be a bigger factor next season as he learns the subtleties of the position. I think he can learn to use the sidelines better by using his body to get some inside lean to create a cushion back to the sideline as opposed to just running straight down the sidelines leaving no room for the ball

 

[buybuydandavis]

I would still use Hurns in the slot just saying I would at time line up Hurns to the outside and motion Cooper into the slot. I like Beasley but given other contract I feel they need to take care of I don't see Beasley returning. I just think we can still be very productive at WR including slot. I also expect a 2nd year player in Gallup to be a bigger factor next season as he learns the subtleties of the position. I think he can learn to use the sidelines better by using his body to get some inside lean to create a cushion back to the sideline as opposed to just running straight down the sidelines leaving no room for the ball

I agree about the use of Hurns, if we keep him, and was pointing to his ability to play in the slot as one of his pluses.

I'm not so positive about the productivity I expect out of that, given that the #1 spot was given to him last year, and he just didn't deliver much with it.

Gallup should be better next year. Dak and Gallup should be better together.

 

[noshame]

I think about 17 would be right. you can't cover him 1 on 1 that's worth a lot. if you cut Hurns and CUT Witten when he's soooo slow in TC, that will cover over 1/2 of Bease.

 

[Redball Express]

Beasley won’t be back unless other teams low ball him.

A slot WR is not that valuable, especially with what should be 2 good to great outside receivers and a TE group that isn’t as bad as most think.

Draft one or sign one cheap. Not into dedicating any real money to the 3rd WR position. Many higher priorities like D-Line and S. I’d even put backup RB higher on the list personally

His kick returns are crappy, too.

Let's wait and see who is available after we draft.

We may draft a slot receiver that can work.

It's not a big deal.

They can shift Zeke to the slot if needed.

He is a good route runner.

 

[Jeffkills]

I think with the injury they are pretty much on the hook for Hurns this year. If it wasnt for the injury, he probably would have been cut. I dont think we have much of a choice but to keep Hurns on the roster

Why??

 

[darthseinfeld]

Why??

I was incorrect

 

[Ranched]

2019 stats:
Everyone keeps saying Hurns can play the slot. Well his numbers indicate he can't. He was very underwhelming playing outside as well.

Allen Hurns is set to have a cap hit of 6.25 million for 2019.

Beasley has a strong case for 20 million guaranteed.

Hopefully they can negotiate and get down to 16 million guaranteed with Beasley.