Hypothetical: Roy Williams WR for #18?

[Idgit]

maybe you can trade Henson for Roy Williams and their 1st round pick.

Perhaps you guys can trade Campbell for another backup assistant head coach. Or for a real QB!


It's lost on me why people think the suggestion of moving Williams is preposterous. Back to the Coles comparison, how much difference is there between these two? Which one appears to be the better player?

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOS

Williams:
2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0
Coles:
2002 NYJ 16 89 1264 14.2 43 5 67 1 0

I'm comparing Coles 2002 #'s to William's last year since they were the numbers Wash was considering when they coughed up the #13.

TO went for, what, basically a #2, *before* he proved himself to be certifiable? Randy Moss and a big new contract went last year for the #7, and unconditional, and Napoleon Harris?

I think some people confuse style with productivity when it comes to Williams. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but if anything he's underdelivered on his potential. He's got, what, 2 more years on his original contract in Detroit--with no QB and a new offense? You think this year he's going to suddenly start performing to expectations?

 

[JPM]

It's lost on me why people think the suggestion of moving Williams is preposterous. Back to the Coles comparison, how much difference is there between these two? Which one appears to be the better player?

Take this suggestion to a Lions board then; let me know how you make out.

 

[Wheat]

Perhaps you guys can trade Campbell for another backup assistant head coach. Or for a real QB!


It's lost on me why people think the suggestion of moving Williams is preposterous. Back to the Coles comparison, how much difference is there between these two? Which one appears to be the better player?

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOS

Williams:
2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0
Coles:
2002 NYJ 16 89 1264 14.2 43 5 67 1 0

I'm comparing Coles 2002 #'s to William's last year since they were the numbers Wash was considering when they coughed up the #13.

TO went for, what, basically a #2, *before* he proved himself to be certifiable? Randy Moss and a big new contract went last year for the #7, and unconditional, and Napoleon Harris?

I think some people confuse style with productivity when it comes to Williams. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but if anything he's underdelivered on his potential. He's got, what, 2 more years on his original contract in Detroit--with no QB and a new offense? You think this year he's going to suddenly start performing to expectations?

I'm trying to figure out how Jason Campbell fits in this mix.

 

[Idgit]

I'm trying to figure out how Jason Campbell fits in this mix.

I thought we were exchanging barbs about disappointing developmental QBs. Did I read your message wrong?

 

[Wheat]

oh, I missed that because Henson and Campbell have taken very different paths.

1 started I think for 1 year in College, then tried baseball for years, and now has been a backup for years.

The other started 4 years in College, went straight the NFL and was drafted to sit and learn for a season or two before we see what he's got.

I'm not sure how a guy who's been in the league less than a year, and not expected to play yet, is a dissapointment.

My joke was that the Lions would trade their best WR......and I threw Henson in because him and Romo pop up as trade ideas here all the time. Then I threw the Lions 1st round pick in as a "!" on the joke.

All things being even, if the Skins could get Campbell this draft but with a year in the system, with the #22 pick of the 2006. I think they would. Denver made that trade thinking that we'd finish last in the Division, and they'd move up more than the 3 spots they game up to fall short of a ring again.

 

[jem88]

Mee too. He could turn out to be the next Jimmy Smith or Mike Sherrard

It still pains me to think of what we could have had in Mike Sherrard. The guy was a thoroughbred, cheated by injuries.

 

[Idgit]

oh, I missed that because Henson and Campbell have taken very different paths.

1 started I think for 1 year in College, then tried baseball for years, and now has been a backup for years.

The other started 4 years in College, went straight the NFL and was drafted to sit and learn for a season or two before we see what he's got.

I'm not sure how a guy who's been in the league less than a year, and not expected to play yet, is a dissapointment.

My joke was that the Lions would trade their best WR......and I threw Henson in because him and Romo pop up as trade ideas here all the time. Then I threw the Lions 1st round pick in as a "!" on the joke.

All things being even, if the Skins could get Campbell this draft but with a year in the system, with the #22 pick of the 2006. I think they would. Denver made that trade thinking that we'd finish last in the Division, and they'd move up more than the 3 spots they game up to fall short of a ring again.

There are many different paths to the backup QB job. Not as many to the starting role. I guess we'll see where each ends up, given time and training. Personally, I don't think Campbell was a very good pick; I think we've got a better shot with Henson/Romo of finding a starter, and it cost us nothing more than a 3rd and some patience.

To the point of the thread: perhaps I should have used Anquan Boldin or somesuch in my example. I underestimated the massive Texan-on-Texan man-love invitational I was opening myself up to. At the end of the day, I was more generally starting a topic about the good-but-not-great players available to us at 18 either through trade or the RFA market. I guess I picked a bad example.

 

[Zippy Speedster]

I sure like the idea of going after someone young like this then the 30somethin' TO better.

It's also another scenerio where you just don't know what the new coachs and system will be working towards just yet, an extra 1st and putting their money into devoloping last years #1 Mike Williams could be more tempting then trading off one of the other two and getting considerably less or staying as is. I think that's what I would do if I was them, then package both those 1's to move up and get one of the two QBs availble. Only I'd be willing to bet someone would pay more then our #18 for Roy Williams, so I doubt it'd work out for us in this little scenerio.

 

[neosapien23]

Perhaps you guys can trade Campbell for another backup assistant head coach. Or for a real QB!


It's lost on me why people think the suggestion of moving Williams is preposterous. Back to the Coles comparison, how much difference is there between these two? Which one appears to be the better player?

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOS

Williams:
2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0
Coles:
2002 NYJ 16 89 1264 14.2 43 5 67 1 0

I'm comparing Coles 2002 #'s to William's last year since they were the numbers Wash was considering when they coughed up the #13.

TO went for, what, basically a #2, *before* he proved himself to be certifiable? Randy Moss and a big new contract went last year for the #7, and unconditional, and Napoleon Harris?

I think some people confuse style with productivity when it comes to Williams. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but if anything he's underdelivered on his potential. He's got, what, 2 more years on his original contract in Detroit--with no QB and a new offense? You think this year he's going to suddenly start performing to expectations?

Are you sure Williams only has 2 more years on his rookie contract? He has stated on a few occassions that he would like to sign with Dallas when he becomes a free agent.

 

[Idgit]

Are you sure Williams only has 2 more years on his rookie contract? He has stated on a few occassions that he would like to sign with Dallas when he becomes a free agent.

No, unfortunately I was just working from the assumption that most are 4 year deals. I can't imagine he'll want to resign with Detroit unless they franchise him, which they probably would do.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why would they trade the only one who has looked good?

my question is this

why is he calling me out? he should be calling out Bledsoe4MVP, but anyways, calling BLesdoe Bledstud makes much more sense than the post that started this thread

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've thought about a topic like this. Both Detriot and Arizona have at least 2 young, potentially top-flight receivers.
Detriot: Charles Rodgers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams
Arizona: Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald

I think Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald are probably not for sale. But what about these other guys and what would it take to get them?

the Cardinals gave Boldin a pretty, fat contract, and I doubt it was for the reason of paying him when he's no longer on the team

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, unfortunately I was just working from the assumption that most are 4 year deals.

I've never seen a 1st round pick only get a 4 year deal

 

[Wheat]

There are many different paths to the backup QB job. Not as many to the starting role. I guess we'll see where each ends up, given time and training. Personally, I don't think Campbell was a very good pick; I think we've got a better shot with Henson/Romo of finding a starter, and it cost us nothing more than a 3rd and some patience.

To the point of the thread: perhaps I should have used Anquan Boldin or somesuch in my example. I underestimated the massive Texan-on-Texan man-love invitational I was opening myself up to. At the end of the day, I was more generally starting a topic about the good-but-not-great players available to us at 18 either through trade or the RFA market. I guess I picked a bad example.

Ok, besides Campbell going to Washington. WHY was he a bad pick?

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I bet Martz keeps all three WRs. He's going to need 3 for the offense he runs. I expect that offense to explode now that they have a real offensive mind running things.

 

[Idgit]

my question is this

why is he calling me out? he should be calling out Bledsoe4MVP, but anyways, calling BLesdoe Bledstud makes much more sense than the post that started this thread

Summer, I was just playing in the thread-starter. I'm way behind Bledsoe myself, in fact, I really like all of our QBs. I called you out because you support Bledsoe generally, and are a legitimate poster. Bledsoe4MVP or whatever he's calling himself is, IMHO, not a serious poster. No offense on that count, really.

 

[Idgit]

Ok, besides Campbell going to Washington. WHY was he a bad pick?

Actually, him going to Washington is more likely to make him a good pick IMO, since I like to watch you guys reach, and have tremendous respect for both your defense and your running game. And your HC, for that matter.

Campbell, though not related to this thread in any way: I didn't like the pick b/c 1. I think you have a better player in Ramsey on the team already, and drafting another QB that high steals an opportunity to improve from elsewhere on the team. 2. You had to borrow a draft pick from the future to get him. Typically, that means you had to pay a premium for the pick. That's fine if the player you get is overvalued for the slot you took him in, but Campbell went right about where he should have--unless you listen to Peter King, which nobody with any sense ever does. 3. The handling of the pick itself, how you traded for it so far in advance, then let news of your target leak out, was ham-fisted. That doesn't have bearing on the player other than the fact that 31 other teams saw what your braintrust was trying to do, and were just fine with it. That should tell you something. 4. As far as his game goes, my primary beef with him is that the made a significant jump his senior year, which makes a pick, especially a QB, dangerous. He had a ton of talent around him in college that year, to-boot. 5. He's not very accurate on the run, or with the long-ball. You've got a good line, and the long-ball is coachable, but inaccuracy on the run is a problem at the NFL level. 6. I had the impression, and I'll readily concede the point if it's not the case, that he'd been a bit of a disappointment in TC and preseason this year, even as a 3rd string QB. That's only based on some early visits to the Skins board, and can easily be the sort of grumbling about backup QBs you hear at this site all the time.

 

[Idgit]

I bet Martz keeps all three WRs. He's going to need 3 for the offense he runs. I expect that offense to explode now that they have a real offensive mind running things.

I agree with this completely. I'd forgotten the Lions were talking with Martz when I started the thread, but you're right: he's a reason for a WR to stay with the Lions.