I ain't giving up on Trey Lance

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He is already supposed to be developed to a certain point. He lacks playing experience.

You don't get playing experience sitting on the bench. You don't get that in preseason against team Amazon, Costco and UPS.

QB3's get basically zero snaps at practice during a regular season. By not making Trance QB2 the righting is on the wall.
Romo sat for a few years and played preseason and was very good. then played regular season and was great.
Love sat for 4 years, then played really well in preseason, and then played his team into playoffs.

Lance still has problems with his footwork on drop backs and basic fundamentals of the game. you don't fix those during a game. those happen in off season and practice and he is still struggling with the very basics.

he can run fast though, perhaps convert him to a RB
 

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If he isn't being developed, then why is he considered the developmental QB. There isn't a need to make him QB2, a) when we have a capable 2 on the roster and b) you have long term plans for him.
the plans are so long, that he is not under contract in 25...
 

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Again. The entire world knows what he is lacking is playing experience. He will not get better without playing.

QB3's don't play. They don't get reps at practice during the season.

So please explain how he will be developed???
no player will get better without playing experience...well duh, the question is do they have the basic fundamentals down to go into a game and at least produce a little. based on coaches comments and what we have seen, he lacks basic fundamentals.... he is not game ready. furthermore, why argue for him so much? what's his celing? a good QB at best, if everything falls in place for him? everyone here complains about having a good QB and they want elite, so why waste time? why people are trying to prove Lance is any good?

Btw, Romo sat for a few years and he did OK when he started. Love did the same. the list is long, they all played well in preseason and showed they were ready. what did we see from lance to give you a feeling he is ready for a real NFL game?
 

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Yet somehow Romo did, Love did. Lance was having a hell of a game 323 passing yards, 90 yards rushing the physical talent is evident. Who is to say Lance doesn't get reps during the season, but im assuming the bulk of his development at this point is studying defenses.
bravo. I said the exact same thing!
 

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Sure, if Lance all of a sudden at the age of 24 learns how to throw the ball with accuracy and learns how to read defenses more quickly and make quicker decisions then he may eventually be the guy. Right now the only thing that impresses me is his ability to run. I haven't seen him make one single pass in preseason that gave me that WOW moment. Just mainly dink and dunk passes in which he was still struggling to get on target and out of his hand timely. I hope that I am wrong about him. I would love for the guy to be the answer. I am just not seeing it with him. I have zero confidence in him coming into a game and getting a win for the Cowboys and obviously McCarthy feels the same way since he is parked behind Rush.
Like its McCarthy's decision. If all you got of Lance's last preseason game was that he threw 5 ints then you didn't really watch the game. He had at least 3 "wow" throws, one was dropped which was probably better than any throw I've seen from a Cowboy QB since Romo. The back shoulder throw for the TD, and the twenty-yard sideline throw between two defenders.
 

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And this:

Weaknesses​

Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.
beat up? how.....you just described every preseason NFL QB's life. he did play with 1's...he showed he is not capable. he played better against 3rd, 4th and 5th stringers...why? because he is more athletically dominant.
 

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And also this:

NEGATIVES

Prescott is a project. His footwork needs to be adjusted and then drilled over and over again to erase years of bad technique. A good quarterback coach will focus on not just taking drops from center but also on finding a consistent launch point on every three-, five- and seven-step drop so those steps are always at the same depth and same speed.

Right now—and some of this is due to how he was used at Mississippi State—Prescott stares down pressure in the pocket. This leads to a hesitation in his reads down the field, and in the NFL, that's a sack. After four years of running the ball and playing behind suspect offensive lines, the last thing Prescott needs is to absorb more free hits in the NFL. He has to learn to use his feet to evade the rush while staying true in the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield to scan for targets.

Can Prescott learn to throw on time and to space instead of to receivers? In the Bulldogs offense, he dominated with dink-and-dunk routes while struggling on downfield routes. He has the arm to push the ball deep but wasn't accurate enough to be a serious threat there consistently. NFL coaches must be patient while fixing his mechanics, which will in turn improve his accuracy. One of the great traits of Andrew Luck and Jameis Winston when they were prospects was their ability to anticipate routes and coverages, and Prescott doesn't show that yet.
wait...what does lance have to do with Prescott? are you comparing the two? or just evaluating Lance?
 

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Your straw man of Lance not being the number 2 does not hold water because of the Cooper factor. Cooper has real history that he has proven to have real success. Why should the Cowboys dump him?

As I said before it takes the pressure off Lance

Your belief that simply drafting a QB proves said QB is capable of starting day 1 is wishful thinking. More then likely said QB will struggle being thrown to the wolves. Why would the Cowboys do that with Lance already on the Roster and He has already gone through those growing pains?

Lance is the future of this franchise

Cooper Rush is a factor. Because it shows that for the 2 year in the row. Lance couldn't beat out Sam Darnold or Rush for the backup spot. What did Sam Darnold do for the Jets or the 49ers that was successful enough for him to have beaten out Trey Lance for QB2 in San Fran? We saw what happened when with Cooper Rush when the defense wasn't able to hold opposing offenses to under 20 points and one TD. The Cowboys lost to the Eagles with Cooper Rush the very first game this didn't happen. So it wasn't like Trey Lance had to overcome Cooper Rush showing some decent QB production during those games some keep on crediting Cooper Rush for the Cowboys winning. If Trey Lance has all of this amazing QB potential that has yet to be unlocked, then he would have won the QB2 spot. just of the basis the Cowboys coaching staff believing he could do more for the Cowboys offense than Rush was ever capable of being able to do in the event of Dak getting hurt.

Since the Cowboys offense wasn't that impressive with Cooper Rush. There are still back up QBs who could improve the Cowboys offensive production from where it has been with Rush has played. The Cowboys rather take the chance on Cooper Rush and hope that the defense can deliver near shut down performances in the event of the Cowboys offense performing similarly with Rush like they did at the start of the 2023 season.

Cowboys coaching staff doesn't even trust that Lance in the back up role can score more than the just around 20 points the Cowboys offense was averaging with Rush. Since as I mentioned the Cowboys lost to the Eagles as soon as our defense couldn't hold the Eagles to under 20 points. Nothing from what I seen from Lance so far tells me he is the long termed answer or future for the Cowboys.
 

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That is all hypothetical make believe. At this point the argument is if You see something in him or not. I do
We all have our opinions and I respect yours even though I may disagree with it. Up to this point I have not seen anything from Lance that makes me feel he could be a starting QB in the NFL other than his ability to run . He threw the ball 113 times in the preseason. Do you recall any of the passes that he threw that stood out and made you think this guy has it? Just asking because I can't recall one single pass that stood out as impressive. I was looking for and wanting him to impress. The guy has all the traits you would want in an NFL QB. Big arm, great size, athletic, great work ethic. However, the accuracy issues and the ability to process quickly are a huge concern. If Dallas chooses to move away from Dak and keep him around in 2025 I am OK with it as long as they go after another option at QB. He needs to earn QB1. We can't just hope he can become QB1 when he just got beat out for QB2.
 

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Montana, Brady, Farve, Rodgers, Malholmes Aikman, Romo, Staubach all say Hi
and there are twice as many that sat and learned. btw, Brady sat behind Bledsoe for one year. Mahomes sat behind Smith for one year. Farve was a back up in atlanta that got traded. Romo sat for few years. they all sat and learned and showed in preseason they were ready.....

Lance showed, and as coaches said, needs more time to develop. in year 4!!!!
 

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Like its McCarthy's decision. If all you got of Lance's last preseason game was that he threw 5 ints then you didn't really watch the game. He had at least 3 "wow" throws, one was dropped which was probably better than any throw I've seen from a Cowboy QB since Romo. The back shoulder throw for the TD, and the twenty-yard sideline throw between two defenders.
I will try to look for those plays. Believe me when I say that I would love for this guy to show me something and be the future. I am not just trying to hate on him. I want the guy that gives the Cowboys the best chance to win. Right now I think the best QBs to give us a chance to win are Dak followed by Rush followed by Lance. Currently all 3 QBs are free agents next year so there is a chance none of them are on the roster next year. We may even have a new head coach and coaching staff. Really too many variables to worry about right now.
 

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I will try to look for those plays. Believe me when I say that I would love for this guy to show me something and be the future. I am not just trying to hate on him. I want the guy that gives the Cowboys the best chance to win. Right now I think the best QBs to give us a chance to win are Dak followed by Rush followed by Lance. Currently all 3 QBs are free agents next year so there is a chance none of them are on the roster next year. We may even have a new head coach and coaching staff. Really too many variables to worry about right now.
 

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Yet somehow Romo did, Love did. Lance was having a hell of a game 323 passing yards, 90 yards rushing the physical talent is evident. Who is to say Lance doesn't get reps during the season, but im assuming the bulk of his development at this point is studying defenses.
If he had just thrown two passes out of bounds...it would have been a terrific day.
 

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Like its McCarthy's decision. If all you got of Lance's last preseason game was that he threw 5 ints then you didn't really watch the game. He had at least 3 "wow" throws, one was dropped which was probably better than any throw I've seen from a Cowboy QB since Romo. The back shoulder throw for the TD, and the twenty-yard sideline throw between two defenders.
Then what is the team waiting for? Get Lance in there and let’s get started on Dallas’ future now. Why trot Prescott out there for another season just to say goodbye at season’s end. How does that help the team? Does Jerry love Lance or what? Wouldn’t you agree it’s time to get Lance signed to an extension and start playing him. Now. Not 2025. Does Jerry think the Cowboys best chance at winning the next Super Bowl is if Dak is the team’s QB1? Surely he can’t possibly believe that. Can he?
 

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I really think Jerry is pissed from Dak's last contract, and he holds a grudge. Same reason he traded Amari. Going against the grain. If there would have been a young QB on the roster when they were negotiating last time he would have let him walk then. Now he is getting his money's worth that's why he is having him play his final year, he would have to pay regardless. IMO of course.
 

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I really think Jerry is pissed from Dak's last contract, and he holds a grudge. Same reason he traded Amari. Going against the grain. If there would have been a young QB on the roster when they were negotiating last time he would have let him walk then. Now he is getting his money's worth that's why he is having him play his final year, he would have to pay regardless. IMO of course.
Dak made Jerry Man-Cry in front of millions.

and then Jerry got to watch the stadium empty after half time.

Brutal.

thats something Jerry will never forgive/forget.

and Jerry has paid him millions.

haha

then Dak asks for a pay raise.

#Epic
 

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Then what is the team waiting for? Get Lance in there and let’s get started on Dallas’ future now. Why trot Prescott out there for another season just to say goodbye at season’s end. How does that help the team? Does Jerry love Lance or what? Wouldn’t you agree it’s time to get Lance signed to an extension and start playing him. Now. Not 2025. Does Jerry think the Cowboys best chance at winning the next Super Bowl is if Dak is the team’s QB1? Surely he can’t possibly believe that. Can he?
They’d likely go with Lance, at some point, if Dak was out for the season.

dak has been a failure in the playoffs.
 

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They’d likely go with Lance, at some point, if Dak was out for the season.

dak has been a failure in the playoffs.
Fine. “at some point”? Isn’t the team at that point? “likely”? What the hell is that? If Dak’s playoff failures are an issue, it’s time to move on. Or does Jerry think “Well, we’re good.” This really isn’t a Prescott or Lance issue. It’s a Jerry Jones issue. Most “likely” both will be gone when this season is over. Jerry, though, he’ll still be here, swilling Johnie Walker Blue, scratching his old butt, laughing at Cowboys fans. The Dallas Cowboys’ mission statement: “If he didn’t want them shorn, why did he make them sheep?”
 
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