I am confused about nutrition re:Gregory

[windjc]

Gregory recently had this quote when interviewed:

"I live on In-N-Out, probably go to In-N-Out every day. I lived on the West Coast. I've had Whataburger. I had that about 3 o'clock in the morning one time, I think when I first came out here to visit. Wasn't too impressed. Any calories I put in is good, they don't care what it is. I probably order pizza every other night. The important thing is I'm gaining weight. That's what they wanted."

Ok, color me confused. But if his statement is correct, what does it say about the nutritional program of the Dallas Cowboys?

I was under my own personal assumption that the nutritional diet of professional players could/would be as exact and stringent as for Hollywood action movie actors (I'm in the entertainment business, so its dear to my heart and knowledge). Basically, what I am saying is that I assumed that professional football trainers were teaching their 2nd round draft choices the science of nutrition and the simple fact that all calories are definitely not created equal. Now, 21 years old's seem to be able to eat anything. And genetically gifted 99.9%ers like Gregory even more so. But just because it seems you CAN, doesn't mean you should.

Because a specialized diet of high organic nutritional foods, including high lean organic protein, nutrient rich organic carbs and tons of fruits and vegetables is vastly superior to Whatafreakinburger. I would have thought the team would have a chef freaking preparing 7 meals a day for Gregory, having him eat a regular intervals and having him consuming 5-6k calories of nutrient dense material.

Are NFL teams still living in the stone age of nutrition?

 

[Wood]

first let me say I finally was able to watch some video on Hardy and I am not going to pretend on being little giddy....I am straight up giddy. His ability to get from point A to point B is better than anyone I have watched. You put 20 lbs on this guy and keep him positive...you have wrecking machine out there.

Now to your point: Hardy came in so thin (almost malnourished from football perspective for his size) that Dallas knows he needs 10-15lbs just to get to his baseline. From there they can work up detailed nutritional program that will be sustainable and add 'quality' weight. He already looks to have gained some of that weight back.

 

[pancakeman]

first let me say I finally was able to watch some video on Hardy and I am not going to pretend on being little giddy....I am straight up giddy. His ability to get from point A to point B is better than anyone I have watched. You put 20 lbs on this guy and keep him positive...you have wrecking machine out there.

Now to your point: Hardy came in so thin (almost malnourished from football perspective for his size) that Dallas knows he needs 10-15lbs just to get to his baseline. From there they can work up detailed nutritional program that will be sustainable and add 'quality' weight. He already looks to have gained some of that weight back.

*Gregory

 

[jobberone]

Gregory recently had this quote when interviewed:

"I live on In-N-Out, probably go to In-N-Out every day. I lived on the West Coast. I've had Whataburger. I had that about 3 o'clock in the morning one time, I think when I first came out here to visit. Wasn't too impressed. Any calories I put in is good, they don't care what it is. I probably order pizza every other night. The important thing is I'm gaining weight. That's what they wanted."

Ok, color me confused. But if his statement is correct, what does it say about the nutritional program of the Dallas Cowboys?

I was under my own personal assumption that the nutritional diet of professional players could/would be as exact and stringent as for Hollywood action movie actors (I'm in the entertainment business, so its dear to my heart and knowledge). Basically, what I am saying is that I assumed that professional football trainers were teaching their 2nd round draft choices the science of nutrition and the simple fact that all calories are definitely not created equal. Now, 21 years old's seem to be able to eat anything. And genetically gifted 99.9%ers like Gregory even more so. But just because it seems you CAN, doesn't mean you should.

Because a specialized diet of high organic nutritional foods, including high lean organic protein, nutrient rich organic carbs and tons of fruits and vegetables is vastly superior to Whatafreakinburger. I would have thought the team would have a chef freaking preparing 7 meals a day for Gregory, having him eat a regular intervals and having him consuming 5-6k calories of nutrient dense material.

Are NFL teams still living in the stone age of nutrition?

He needs protein and fat with enough carbs to fuel his exercise and basic needs.

 

[BAZ]

I'm in the entertainment business, so its dear to my heart and knowledge.

Stripper?

 

[xwalker]

Gregory recently had this quote when interviewed:

"I live on In-N-Out, probably go to In-N-Out every day. I lived on the West Coast. I've had Whataburger. I had that about 3 o'clock in the morning one time, I think when I first came out here to visit. Wasn't too impressed. Any calories I put in is good, they don't care what it is. I probably order pizza every other night. The important thing is I'm gaining weight. That's what they wanted."

Ok, color me confused. But if his statement is correct, what does it say about the nutritional program of the Dallas Cowboys?

I was under my own personal assumption that the nutritional diet of professional players could/would be as exact and stringent as for Hollywood action movie actors (I'm in the entertainment business, so its dear to my heart and knowledge). Basically, what I am saying is that I assumed that professional football trainers were teaching their 2nd round draft choices the science of nutrition and the simple fact that all calories are definitely not created equal. Now, 21 years old's seem to be able to eat anything. And genetically gifted 99.9%ers like Gregory even more so. But just because it seems you CAN, doesn't mean you should.

Because a specialized diet of high organic nutritional foods, including high lean organic protein, nutrient rich organic carbs and tons of fruits and vegetables is vastly superior to Whatafreakinburger. I would have thought the team would have a chef freaking preparing 7 meals a day for Gregory, having him eat a regular intervals and having him consuming 5-6k calories of nutrient dense material.

Are NFL teams still living in the stone age of nutrition?

They can't teach him nutrition until he has been here for some period of time. I don't think they are worried about what he eats in the few weeks between the draft and him being here most of the time.

In general, modern nutrition guidelines can be overrated, especially in regards to off-season training. He needs to do whatever it takes to gain weight in the off-season while working out to stay in decent cardio shape. Once training camp is here and especially during the regular season when recovery time becomes critical, then nutrition becomes more important.

Bruce Carter is one of the first guys I think of when Freak Athletes are mentioned. He is an incredible physical specimen, but he talked about his diet and it was basically similar to what Gregory described except more extreme.

 

[5Stars]

first let me say I finally was able to watch some video on Hardy and I am not going to pretend on being little giddy....I am straight up giddy. His ability to get from point A to point B is better than anyone I have watched. You put 20 lbs on this guy and keep him positive...you have wrecking machine out there.

Now to your point: Hardy came in so thin (almost malnourished from football perspective for his size) that Dallas knows he needs 10-15lbs just to get to his baseline. From there they can work up detailed nutritional program that will be sustainable and add 'quality' weight. He already looks to have gained some of that weight back.

You don't even know what player is being talked about! lol

 

[Eskimo]

He probably burns through so many calories that exactly how he gets them is probably close to irrelevant. He is about 240 pounds and has less than 5% body fat. The key for a guy like him is just actually making sure he gets all the calories he needs each day so his crazy metabolism doesn't result in his body leaching calories out of his muscles and nutrients out of his organs, fat and bones.

As for his micronutrients, he probably eats so many calories that he will get them no matter how bad his diet is.

IMO, diet is probably more important for those who tend to gain extra weight than for those who are underweight and have very low body fat.

 

[windjc]

They can't teach him nutrition until he has been here for some period of time. I don't think they are worried about what he eats in the few weeks between the draft and him being here most of the time.

In general, modern nutrition guidelines can be overrated, especially in regards to off-season training. He needs to do whatever it takes to gain weight in the off-season while working out to stay in decent cardio shape. Once training camp is here and especially during the regular season when recovery time becomes critical, then nutrition becomes more important.

Bruce Carter is one of the first guys I think of when Freak Athletes are mentioned. He is an incredible physical specimen, but he talked about his diet and it was basically similar to what Gregory described except more extreme.

But more to my point - why doesn't Jerry Jones invest $1 million a year in a team of team chefs cooking every freaking meal for their stars. Why are players left alone to their own devices to eat?? This makes no sense to me. Working out is 80% diet. So why invest millions in gym trainers and not nutrition and food??

 

[DandyDon1722]

I'm kind of surprised at those comments too. I'm sure the Cowboys have a nutritionist and I bet they are cringing when hearing about that.

From what I have learned--

To ensure your extra weight is made of muscle, not fat, you’ll need to eat well-rounded meals and snacks, stacked with healthy foods and low on empty calories.

For example - 50 to 60 percent of your daily calories from carbohydrates, 15 to 20 percent from protein (fatty cuts of steak are best) and 25 to 30 percent from healthy fats, such as avocado, healthy oils and nuts. While protein is often considered good for getting toned, it’s important not to go overboard when trying to gain weight, because it tends to be filling and also requires a lot of energy to digest.

He should focus on healthy complex carbs like rice, whole wheat or whole grain cereals and potatoes. We digest carbs a lot easier, so those calories can be used for muscle building.

Although I like In N Out as much as anybody (it's a favorite west coast burger place if you didn't know) it's not exactly the breakfast of champions.

 

[Wood]

You don't even know what player is being talked about! lol

opps i meant gregory. Its the same...they both will be difficult to deal with

 

[windjc]

He probably burns through so many calories that exactly how he gets them is probably close to irrelevant. He is about 240 pounds and has less than 5% body fat. The key for a guy like him is just actually making sure he gets all the calories he needs each day so his crazy metabolism doesn't result in his body leaching calories out of his muscles and nutrients out of his organs, fat and bones.

As for his micronutrients, he probably eats so many calories that he will get them no matter how bad his diet is.

IMO, diet is probably more important for those who tend to gain extra weight than for those who are underweight and have very low body fat.

No, fast food is low grade protein + empty carbs. + all kinds of hormones and junk. Its like putting low grade gasoline in your tank. Why would you do that to a high performance sports car?

 

[5Stars]

No, fast food is low grade protein + empty carbs. + all kinds of hormones and junk. Its like putting low grade gasoline in your tank. Why would you do that to a high performance sports car?

You know you are talking to a Doctor, right?

 

[ElGatoGrande]

They can't teach him nutrition until he has been here for some period of time. I don't think they are worried about what he eats in the few weeks between the draft and him being here most of the time.

In general, modern nutrition guidelines can be overrated, especially in regards to off-season training. He needs to do whatever it takes to gain weight in the off-season while working out to stay in decent cardio shape. Once training camp is here and especially during the regular season when recovery time becomes critical, then nutrition becomes more important.

Bruce Carter is one of the first guys I think of when Freak Athletes are mentioned. He is an incredible physical specimen, but he talked about his diet and it was basically similar to what Gregory described except more extreme.

yup,,, basically he's in weight gain mode where he just needs to have a surplus of calories by day's end and reach certain thresholds of protein consumption to build the muscle.

 

[AsthmaField]

You know you are talking to a Doctor, right?

lol...

 

[windjc]

You know you are talking to a Doctor, right?

So? Doctor's are notorious for not knowing much about the science of nutrition. Not saying that Eskimo doesn't, just pointing out that that gives me no more confidence (maybe less) that he does.

 

[xwalker]

But more to my point - why doesn't Jerry Jones invest $1 million a year in a team of team chefs cooking every freaking meal for their stars. Why are players left alone to their own devices to eat?? This makes no sense to me. Working out is 80% diet. So why invest millions in gym trainers and not nutrition and food??

1. You were making your point using Gregory as the example. He was just drafted earlier this month.

2. The Cowboys have nutritionist available at all times. I've heard interviews with players where they talked about calling/texting the nutritionist multiple times per week.

3. Working out in NOT 80% out diet.

 

[justbob]

You know you are talking to a Doctor, right?

Hopefully he does now.

 

[windjc]

yup,,, basically he's in weight gain mode where he just needs to have a surplus of calories by day's end and reach certain thresholds of protein consumption to build the muscle.

I can't stress this point enough. There is no such thing in the concept or idea that an athlete (or any human) "just needs calories." But especially in a game where every advantage can be huge, to pour millions into salaries and trainers and equipment and not also have the very highest level of nutrition (fuel) going into the tanks of your investments, makes no sense to me.

Nutrient rich calories are many factors more valuable than your average grocery store, cereal box and fast food calories. Its almost not even the same thing.

 

[Staubacher]

So? Doctor's are notorious for not knowing much about the science of nutrition. Not saying that Eskimo doesn't, just pointing out that that gives me no more confidence (maybe less) that he does.

Doctor > Hollywood insider