I am disappointed in Zone posters

[adbutcher]

I've been profiled, but not racially. I can't imagine I'd feel any different if it had been racially.

In my opinion that is a hypothetical that can't be answered on your part even with the most robust of imaginations. There is that small little saying about walking in some one's shoes, etc...

 

[theogt]

In my opinion that is a hypothetical that can't be answered on your part even with the most robust of imaginations. There is that small little saying about walking in some one's shoes, etc...

In my opinion, you having any idea of how I'd feel about a particular situation is just silly. You can really only answer to your own feelings, and apparently you don't feel comfortable with racial profiling. I know people of just about every race that *are* comfortable with it, so don't presume to know one way or the other how anyone else would feel.

 

[Pats Fan]

The OJ and Vick cases are somewhat similar. Stress the word somewhat. Two high profile football players finding themselves in a major crime and major mess.

What I have come to realize is that justice is always served in one way or another. Yes, OJ was found innocent. Problem is, no one believed it for a moment. So here is this good looking, famous, well liked, endorsement rich guy that has been reduced to a mockery. A joke. He may not be behind bars, but he is living in his own prison right now. And I am sure if he could do it over again he would have controlled his temper and moved on. Too late for that.

Vick is somewhat different in that he killed dogs, not people. But probably equally bad because OJ probably did it under the influence of drugs and had a jealous rage. Crime of passion so to speak. But Vick was involved with killing for fun. Enjoyment. And not just killing, really inhumane treatment. Vick is also good looking, famous, and endorsement rich. Well liked doesn't go along with Vick though, and he was never the player OJ was.

What is true for both is that no matter the verdict, their lives are over. The lives they knew. Money, fame, attention. Vick may be able to play football --jury is still out on that, but when his playing days are over, he will still be known for this incident -- and it will follow him. Even if he is found innocent. If he is found guilty, I really do not believe he will just get a slap on the wrist with all this publicity following the story. So Vick, you have better been saving your pennies better than OJ did.

Justice will be served fellow dog lovers.

 

[adbutcher]

In my opinion, you having any idea of how I'd feel about a particular situation is just silly. You can really only answer to your own feelings, and apparently you don't feel comfortable with racial profiling. I know people of just about every race that *are* comfortable with it, so don't presume to know one way or the other how anyone else would feel.

Silly? Hardly.

Remember counselor you already stated that you have never been racially profiled and if you are a white american male it would be very unlikely you would be in the foreseeable future.

But we get it, no matter the subject we know you like to argue. However, it takes two but feel free to carry on by yourself because my time is too valuable to argue your circular logic about how you would feel about something that you would most likely never feel, lol.

 

[theogt]

Silly? Hardly.

Remember counselor you already stated that you have never been racially profiled and if you are a white american male it would be very unlikely you would be in the foreseeable future.

But we get it, no matter the subject we know you like to argue. However, it takes two but feel free to carry on by yourself because my time is too valuable to argue your circular logic about how you would feel about something that you would most likely never feel, lol.

Someone should look up the definition of circular logic.

 

[bbgun]

Someone should look up the definition of circular logic.

Enough of your Jedi mind tricks!

 

[fortdick]

Is it? I haven't really been following, but I did see that just a week or so ago people were predicting that he wouldn't even be indicted. Now it's supposed to be conclusive that he's guilty?

It ws ESPN that reported he wouldn't be indicted. Consider the source.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is it? I haven't really been following, but I did see that just a week or so ago people were predicting that he wouldn't even be indicted. Now it's supposed to be conclusive that he's guilty?

4 witnesses

his property

all that's missing is Vick's confession

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I was checking out Extemeskins to see how they were taking the Vick news over there.

Their poll

81% say he should be suspend

Our poll

55% say he should be suspended.

Now, does that mean that Skins fans are more compassionate towards animals? Or that we just have more persuasive Vick defenders?

Maybe it just means we are more thoughtful and realize there are concepts like you are innocent until proven guilty, a concept a cop like you wouldn't understand.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

4 witnesses

his property

all that's missing is Vick's confession

Four witnesses turning stoolie to save their own hide is not that credible.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The feds wouldn't be involved if there wasn't a strong case with plenty of evidence. If I were a betting man, I'd bank on a conviction.

Circular argument 101 also known as the Nancy Grace argument, if you are charged, you must be guilty because after all if you weren't guilt, you would never be charged.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I can;t tell you how many times I have sat in court and heard lawyers spin up lies and misrepresentations in defense of their scumbag clients. Our legal system is a battle of lawyers, very little of it actually has to do with the truth. You try to present a case and some high priced lawyer gets your evidence thrown out becasue it is prejudical. Yeah, the guy is on trial for trafficking drugs. But the fact that he has two priors should not be admitted becaue the jury might feel ill of him.

Peps, I respect you becasue I know what you are doing, and why. You may be able to convince some of these other people that it is really about fairness, but there is a reason some lawyers get $500 an hour and some work as public defenders for $75 an hour.

I bet you can tell me your win/loss record, can't ya? Why would that be important if it was about fairness and the law?

So what about when cops plant evidence, embellish their stories, decide someone is guilty and just railroad them etc? Cops' problems is that they don't understand law.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Four witnesses turning stoolie to save their own hide is not that credible.

cases are made against mafia bosses all the time based largely on their associate's testimony who turn coat

how do you think cases are made against drug king-pins?

again, there are 4 witnesses who can attest to the physical evidence linking Vick to dog-fighting, this case against him is pretty strong

 

[Pats Fan]

Mr. Canadian -

You are quite correct in a number of your statements. That's why so many innocent people sit in jail. It is not right. And is there racial profiling - yes. I find it -- well I cannot put the right word on it -- how about just flat out wrong.

But you have to recognize that there is a difference here. This is the federal government going after a very high profile person. Yeh, a football player, and as fans it gets more personal. These people going after Vick are not your average yee-haws. I am sure they have lots of evidence. And if true, in your heart, you simply cannot just go along with it.

So relax, life is not fair always. True. Can we fix it. Darn if I know. I try to do my part, it is all I can do.

My thoughts, I own property. Did I ever go there? Did I ever go outside? If the answer is yes, then the verdict is easy.

 

[peplaw06]

Mr. Canadian -

You are quite correct in a number of your statements. That's why so many innocent people sit in jail. It is not right. And is there racial profiling - yes. I find it -- well I cannot put the right word on it -- how about just flat out wrong.

But you have to recognize that there is a difference here. This is the federal government going after a very high profile person. Yeh, a football player, and as fans it gets more personal. These people going after Vick are not your average yee-haws. I am sure they have lots of evidence. And if true, in your heart, you simply cannot just go along with it.

So relax, life is not fair always. True. Can we fix it. Darn if I know. I try to do my part, it is all I can do.

My thoughts, I own property. Did I ever go there? Did I ever go outside? If the answer is yes, then the verdict is easy.

Wha???

 

[peplaw06]

4 witnesses

his property

all that's missing is Vick's confession

Is there some sort of evidence checklist you have to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt?

hmmm... witnesses - check

property - check

confession?? well if we can get that, that's all we need!!!

Please pass that info on, sounds like it would be very useful.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is there some sort of evidence checklist you have to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt?

hmmm... witnesses - check

property - check

confession?? well if we can get that, that's all we need!!!

Please pass that info on, sounds like it would be very useful.

that's right, you can't refute that the evidence so far that we know of, there could be more, and probably is, is pretty strong

let's see what Vick has going for him:

"it wasn't me"

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[peplaw06]

that's right, you can't refute that the evidence so far that we know of, there could be more, and probably is, is pretty strong

let's see what Vick has going for him:

"it wasn't me"

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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1558290&postcount=135

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1558290&postcount=135

I'm sorry, I won't disrupt your saving of the world again

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Uh, but unjustly suspending a person would be a legal matter. If the NFL violates the Collective Bargaining Agreement and how such matters should be decided within the league, it would become a legal matter.

No matter how you try to address it, legality is still a component of the issue.

Nope, it isn't. That's why the discussion has centered around "voluntary" suspension. The league knows it can't suspend Michael Vick simply based on an indictment. It won't have legal grounds to do so.

What people want to happen and what legally can happen are two different things.

Was PacMan actually convicted of anything yet? I didn't think he had been.

And see, when you talk about blood being there etc. in the O.J. case, you're going outside what the courts found, right? They said he wasn't guilty. How could you decide against the court in that example but not this one?

Let me put it another way: Should the league suspend him right this second? No, they shouldn't, just to protect themselves. But I took the question to mean that if Vick has done even *some* of the things in these allegations, should he be suspended? I say yes. IMO if he even knew that his friends/relatives/whatever were conducting dogfights on his property, he should be outta here. And I can't imagine that he didn't know.