CFZ I am flummoxed as to what to think about our draft

[Sydla]

Good draft? Bad draft? Mediocre draft? I have no idea.

The confusion came right from the start when we took a DT. We haven't invested a big asset in the DT position in years. I like the pick. He can stop the run and has enough athleticism that with some coaching and refinement he might developed into a decent pass rusher from the inside.

They talked about the run game in the offseason so I figured OL and TB would be prime targets. Nope. The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick. Don't try to convince me otherwise. When LaPorta and Mayer went off the board at the top of the 2nd, I think they worried no TE would get to them in the 3rd so they grabbed Schoonmaker. Who does little for me. Not impressed, nor do I think it's a terrible pick. Odds are it's another questionable 2nd rounder from this franchise that really has some bad 2nd round picks.

Overshown is an athletic freak. And he makes plays. I have no issues with the pick. Will be interesting to see Quinn use him and Parsons together.

Fehoko? Decent player, not sure we needed him. DE is one place we have bodies. Maybe they envision him as a Tyrone Crawford type that they can use as a 3T?

The trade up for a big, tall but slow DB was peculiar. But Quinn has his mold for DBs and this kid seems to fit. Whatever. Doubt he's anything more than a special teams guy.

I like the kid from UNC and when you read his scouting report, he really seems like a guy that could end up at OG.

The TB? Great story. But he's likely a situational guy, which is fine, especially at that spot in the draft. I think Evans was still on the board, right? I would have taken him. I am not impressed with a top 3 TB depth chart of Pollard, Jones, Davis and this kid sprinkled in.

 

[xwalker]

Good draft? Bad draft? Mediocre draft? I have no idea.

The confusion came right from the start when we took a DT. We haven't invested a big asset in the DT position in years. I like the pick. He can stop the run and has enough athleticism that with some coaching and refinement he might developed into a decent pass rusher from the inside.

They talked about the run game in the offseason so I figured OL and TB would be prime targets. Nope. The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick. Don't try to convince me otherwise. When LaPorta and Mayer went off the board at the top of the 2nd, I think they worried no TE would get to them in the 3rd so they grabbed Schoonmaker. Who does little for me. Not impressed, nor do I think it's a terrible pick. Odds are it's another questionable 2nd rounder from this franchise that really has some bad 2nd round picks.

Overshown is an athletic freak. And he makes plays. I have no issues with the pick. Will be interesting to see Quinn use him and Parsons together.

Fehoko? Decent player, not sure we needed him. DE is one place we have bodies. Maybe they envision him as a Tyrone Crawford type that they can use as a 3T?

The trade up for a big, tall but slow DB was peculiar. But Quinn has his mold for DBs and this kid seems to fit. Whatever. Doubt he's anything more than a special teams guy.

I like the kid from UNC and when you read his scouting report, he really seems like a guy that could end up at OG.

The TB? Great story. But he's likely a situational guy, which is fine, especially at that spot in the draft. I think Evans was still on the board, right? I would have taken him. I am not impressed with a top 3 TB depth chart of Pollard, Jones, Davis and this kid sprinkled in.

CB Eric Scott is not slow.
- draftscout.com does not even list a forty time...
- They list it as: "No Full Workout-Quad on 1st 40"

The Cowboys reportedly have him down for a 4.42 forty time.

It is obvious in game footage that he is very athletic.

 

[jazzcat22]

Nice summary and pretty much agree.

Mazi can be a difference maker, especially once he learns to rush the QB.
Schoonmaker is meh, but can turn out to be a pretty good pick. I won't complain, just hope he is worth it.
Overshown, he can fit in very well and contribute, if used right, as he has some surrounding talent, and will not be asked to do too much too soon.
He can do what they ask of Kearse but possible better, and allow Kearse to be more of a true SS.

Agree, and I posted that several times, they did not need to go DE with Fehoko. I know it is more of a future pick. But that means another player that plays now is off the roster.
Unless they already decided who may be gone. I like the potential, but was he necessary at that point.

I don't know much about the OL, but I think they could addressed the OL sooner. I hope he pans out as depth is needed, then can become a future starter.
I did not like the trade for the CB Scott. Time will tell on this as all the other day 3 picks.
Vaughn looks like he can contribute something right away though.
Brooks at WR, as good as any other player I guess at that point.

 

[dsturgeon]

I am excited to see what the rookies can do. It should be a fun season

 

[kskboys]

Good draft? Bad draft? Mediocre draft? I have no idea.

The confusion came right from the start when we took a DT. We haven't invested a big asset in the DT position in years. I like the pick. He can stop the run and has enough athleticism that with some coaching and refinement he might developed into a decent pass rusher from the inside.

They talked about the run game in the offseason so I figured OL and TB would be prime targets. Nope. The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick. Don't try to convince me otherwise. When LaPorta and Mayer went off the board at the top of the 2nd, I think they worried no TE would get to them in the 3rd so they grabbed Schoonmaker. Who does little for me. Not impressed, nor do I think it's a terrible pick. Odds are it's another questionable 2nd rounder from this franchise that really has some bad 2nd round picks.

Overshown is an athletic freak. And he makes plays. I have no issues with the pick. Will be interesting to see Quinn use him and Parsons together.

Fehoko? Decent player, not sure we needed him. DE is one place we have bodies. Maybe they envision him as a Tyrone Crawford type that they can use as a 3T?

The trade up for a big, tall but slow DB was peculiar. But Quinn has his mold for DBs and this kid seems to fit. Whatever. Doubt he's anything more than a special teams guy.

I like the kid from UNC and when you read his scouting report, he really seems like a guy that could end up at OG.

The TB? Great story. But he's likely a situational guy, which is fine, especially at that spot in the draft. I think Evans was still on the board, right? I would have taken him. I am not impressed with a top 3 TB depth chart of Pollard, Jones, Davis and this kid sprinkled in.

Need? I actually don't understand that assessment, Syds. We do not need another TE.

The Shoeshine pick(Schoonmaker) reeks of the MartyB and Escobar picks. A reach for some strange reason at a position that is already filled. Makes zero sense, just as the other 2 did not.

I agree w/ everything else, BTW, but I just have to ask. Why do you call a pick a needs pick when it wasn't a need? Looks more like a "Jerry's obsession w/ TE's" pick.

 

[JBS]

At this juncture nobody knows what the truth is. We need to see these guys on the field before we truly know. Sometimes we are super optimistic and are proven wrong , other times we are super pessimistic and we are proven wrong. Time well tell.

 

[Whyjerry]

Good draft? Bad draft? Mediocre draft? I have no idea.

The confusion came right from the start when we took a DT. We haven't invested a big asset in the DT position in years. I like the pick. He can stop the run and has enough athleticism that with some coaching and refinement he might developed into a decent pass rusher from the inside.

They talked about the run game in the offseason so I figured OL and TB would be prime targets. Nope. The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick. Don't try to convince me otherwise. When LaPorta and Mayer went off the board at the top of the 2nd, I think they worried no TE would get to them in the 3rd so they grabbed Schoonmaker. Who does little for me. Not impressed, nor do I think it's a terrible pick. Odds are it's another questionable 2nd rounder from this franchise that really has some bad 2nd round picks.

Overshown is an athletic freak. And he makes plays. I have no issues with the pick. Will be interesting to see Quinn use him and Parsons together.

Fehoko? Decent player, not sure we needed him. DE is one place we have bodies. Maybe they envision him as a Tyrone Crawford type that they can use as a 3T?

The trade up for a big, tall but slow DB was peculiar. But Quinn has his mold for DBs and this kid seems to fit. Whatever. Doubt he's anything more than a special teams guy.

I like the kid from UNC and when you read his scouting report, he really seems like a guy that could end up at OG.

The TB? Great story. But he's likely a situational guy, which is fine, especially at that spot in the draft. I think Evans was still on the board, right? I would have taken him. I am not impressed with a top 3 TB depth chart of Pollard, Jones, Davis and this kid sprinkled in.

It has its ups and down. Reality is it will take a couple years to tell.

 

[kskboys]

Nice summary and pretty much agree.

Mazi can be a difference maker, especially once he learns to rush the QB.
Schoonmaker is meh, but can turn out to be a pretty good pick. I won't complain, just hope he is worth it.
Overshown, he can fit in very well and contribute, if used right, as he has some surrounding talent, and will not be asked to do too much too soon.
He can do what they ask of Kearse but possible better, and allow Kearse to be more of a true SS.

Agree, and I posted that several times, they did not need to go DE with Fehoko. I know it is more of a future pick. But that means another player that plays now is off the roster.
Unless they already decided who may be gone. I like the potential, but was he necessary at that point.

I don't know much about the OL, but I think they could addressed the OL sooner. I hope he pans out as depth is needed, then can become a future starter.
I did not like the trade for the CB Scott. Time will tell on this as all the other day 3 picks.
Vaughn looks like he can contribute something right away though.
Brooks at WR, as good as any other player I guess at that point.

Nice assessment.

Scott is a tall CB who can't cover. I do not understand our obsession w/ him at all.

Fehoko was a reach, but I really don't know who was available there, so I guess we'll see.

 

[kskboys]

At this juncture nobody knows what the truth is. We need to see these guys on the field before we truly know. Sometimes we are super optimistic and are proven wrong , other times we are super pessimistic and we are proven wrong. Time well tell.

Obviously.

However, this time after the draft is purely for conjecture and projection. Only reason to even be posting at this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[beware_d-ware]

We put nearly all our draft capital into outliers.

Mazi has the worst college production you'll ever see for a 1st round DT. Schoonmaker will be a 25yo rookie in September - I can't remember an older rookie since Hayden Hurst or some BYU guys. Fehoko has the lowest broad jump of any defensive end in a decade, and that's an edge rusher's single most predictive drill.

We are betting heavily against the odds this year, and this draft has a lot of flameout potential.

 

[streetcredit]

We put nearly all our draft capital into outliers.

Mazi has the worst college production you'll ever see for a 1st round DT. Schoonmaker will be a 25yo rookie in September - I can't remember an older rookie since Hayden Hurst or some BYU guys. Fehoko has the lowest broad jump of any defensive end in a decade, and that's an edge rusher's single most predictive drill.

We are betting heavily against the odds this year, and this draft has a lot of flameout potential.

 

[jazzcat22]

We put nearly all our draft capital into outliers.

Mazi has the worst college production you'll ever see for a 1st round DT. Schoonmaker will be a 25yo rookie in September - I can't remember an older rookie since Hayden Hurst or some BYU guys. Fehoko has the lowest broad jump of any defensive end in a decade, and that's an edge rusher's single most predictive drill.

We are betting heavily against the odds this year, and this draft has a lot of flameout potential.

Mazi was not asked to rush the passer in college. He said he will learn that and whatever Dallas asks of him. He was the right pick, needed a DT that can actually stop the run.

So a 25 year old rookie...Roger was a 28 year old rookie, how did he work out? Also he will be 29 when his 2nd contract comes up. That is perfect for the ... never give a draft pick. a second contract ...crowd. So that is a win for them.

Fehoko, yeah, well, I don't understand that pick either. Except he was not picked to help as much this year as opposed to 2024. Still they could have done better.

 

[CATCH17]

Nobody they drafted changed my expectations for the upcoming season.

I don’t quite understand Schoonmaker vs Torrence either.

Especially when you compare the TEs we have vs the Guards we have…

You can easily trade for a TE but good luck finding a decent lineman outside of the draft..

 

[kskboys]

We put nearly all our draft capital into outliers.

Mazi has the worst college production you'll ever see for a 1st round DT. Schoonmaker will be a 25yo rookie in September - I can't remember an older rookie since Hayden Hurst or some BYU guys. Fehoko has the lowest broad jump of any defensive end in a decade, and that's an edge rusher's single most predictive drill.

We are betting heavily against the odds this year, and this draft has a lot of flameout potential.

My buds who are only casual fans keep/kept asking me how we did in the draft. My conclusion:

If Mazi and Shoeshine turn out to be top 10 players and we have a good OG already on the roster, then we did great. If not, we did terrible.

I agree w/ outliers. Boom or bust.

 

[kskboys]

Nobody they drafted changed my expectations for the upcoming season.

I don’t quite understand Schoonmaker vs Torrence either.

Especially when you compare the TEs we have vs the Guards we have…

You can easily trade for a TE but good luck finding a decent lineman outside of the draft..

Only way the Schooner pick makes sense is if he's the next Travis Kelce. Only way. If he's just a solid TE, absolutely terrible pick. Already have two of those on the roster.

 

[JBS]

Obviously.

However, this time after the draft is purely for conjecture and projection. Only reason to even be posting at this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There actually is no point at all

 

[12+88=7]

I thought the biggest need was getting a DT to improve the run defense. Drafting Smith was a great first step to accomplishing that.

The LG position looks like a need, but the OL starters are set. This draft choice would have been an insurance policy against injury. If an injury does happen I think Dallas has still has players on the team that could help them get through that.

RB is a bit more concerning. Pollard is coming off injury, but from all reports, he will be ready for training camp. Vaughn is a nice piece, but I was hoping for a more carry the load type RB. I was actually hoping for Tank Bigsby, but he went two selections before Dallas's turn in the 3rd round. This is why you still hear the whispers of an Elliott return.

 

[Vabchshark]

Good draft? Bad draft? Mediocre draft? I have no idea.

The confusion came right from the start when we took a DT. We haven't invested a big asset in the DT position in years. I like the pick. He can stop the run and has enough athleticism that with some coaching and refinement he might developed into a decent pass rusher from the inside.

They talked about the run game in the offseason so I figured OL and TB would be prime targets. Nope. The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick. Don't try to convince me otherwise. When LaPorta and Mayer went off the board at the top of the 2nd, I think they worried no TE would get to them in the 3rd so they grabbed Schoonmaker. Who does little for me. Not impressed, nor do I think it's a terrible pick. Odds are it's another questionable 2nd rounder from this franchise that really has some bad 2nd round picks.

Overshown is an athletic freak. And he makes plays. I have no issues with the pick. Will be interesting to see Quinn use him and Parsons together.

Fehoko? Decent player, not sure we needed him. DE is one place we have bodies. Maybe they envision him as a Tyrone Crawford type that they can use as a 3T?

The trade up for a big, tall but slow DB was peculiar. But Quinn has his mold for DBs and this kid seems to fit. Whatever. Doubt he's anything more than a special teams guy.

I like the kid from UNC and when you read his scouting report, he really seems like a guy that could end up at OG.

The TB? Great story. But he's likely a situational guy, which is fine, especially at that spot in the draft. I think Evans was still on the board, right? I would have taken him. I am not impressed with a top 3 TB depth chart of Pollard, Jones, Davis and this kid sprinkled in.

Well unfortunately, that's part of picking in the 26th spot or late in the rounds. Though I still believe they did a good job in addressing the needs this team has. They were a good team last year and, will be better this year due to the additions.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick.

How is that a need pick? He is a pass catching blocking machine and will not only improve the running game but upgrade the pass protection.

 

[Ken]

We put nearly all our draft capital into outliers.

Mazi has the worst college production you'll ever see for a 1st round DT. Schoonmaker will be a 25yo rookie in September - I can't remember an older rookie since Hayden Hurst or some BYU guys. Fehoko has the lowest broad jump of any defensive end in a decade, and that's an edge rusher's single most predictive drill.

We are betting heavily against the odds this year, and this draft has a lot of flameout potential.

Yet, I am sure if I went back I would find you pimping Jordan Davis and his even less production.

FEHOKO is not an explosive player even though he ran a 4.7 at 275lbs...

He is a brute and they need that. He is a SF 49er type player and I love it.