CFZ I am flummoxed as to what to think about our draft

[dsturgeon]

My buds who are only casual fans keep/kept asking me how we did in the draft. My conclusion:

If Mazi and Shoeshine turn out to be top 10 players and we have a good OG already on the roster, then we did great. If not, we did terrible.

I agree w/ outliers. Boom or bust.

I don't understand the, in order for it to be a great draft, top 10 player idea when the cowboys first pick was in the 20s. What players that would have been available at their picks of 26 and their 2nd round pick, would have a chance to start this year at their positions would you have preferred?

Their first 2 picks will have very nice role their rookie season

 

[big dog cowboy]

I posted that several times, they did not need to go DE with Fehoko.

The Cowboys said they want him to gain a little and move him inside. Hankins signed a one year deal. This was a easy decision.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Nobody they drafted changed my expectations for the upcoming season.

I don’t quite understand Schoonmaker vs Torrence either.

Especially when you compare the TEs we have vs the Guards we have…

You can easily trade for a TE but good luck finding a decent lineman outside of the draft..

That sounds as if you're advocating picking for position. Taking Torrence because he was the only real Guard available, as opposed to drafting the player ( Schoonmaker) .....who wasnt certain of getting to the third round (GB and Jags took TE's after Schoon went).

There's a possibility we are high on what we have on the OL, there's also Risner still on the market.

 

[Rockport]

Good draft? Bad draft? Mediocre draft? I have no idea.

The confusion came right from the start when we took a DT. We haven't invested a big asset in the DT position in years. I like the pick. He can stop the run and has enough athleticism that with some coaching and refinement he might developed into a decent pass rusher from the inside.

They talked about the run game in the offseason so I figured OL and TB would be prime targets. Nope. The 2nd round pick was a pure need pick. Don't try to convince me otherwise. When LaPorta and Mayer went off the board at the top of the 2nd, I think they worried no TE would get to them in the 3rd so they grabbed Schoonmaker. Who does little for me. Not impressed, nor do I think it's a terrible pick. Odds are it's another questionable 2nd rounder from this franchise that really has some bad 2nd round picks.

Overshown is an athletic freak. And he makes plays. I have no issues with the pick. Will be interesting to see Quinn use him and Parsons together.

Fehoko? Decent player, not sure we needed him. DE is one place we have bodies. Maybe they envision him as a Tyrone Crawford type that they can use as a 3T?

The trade up for a big, tall but slow DB was peculiar. But Quinn has his mold for DBs and this kid seems to fit. Whatever. Doubt he's anything more than a special teams guy.

I like the kid from UNC and when you read his scouting report, he really seems like a guy that could end up at OG.

The TB? Great story. But he's likely a situational guy, which is fine, especially at that spot in the draft. I think Evans was still on the board, right? I would have taken him. I am not impressed with a top 3 TB depth chart of Pollard, Jones, Davis and this kid sprinkled in.

You don’t know anything about these players. None of us do but some like to pretend. You wouldn’t know a good DE if DLaw slapped you upside your head.

 

[jazzcat22]

The Cowboys said they want him to gain a little and move him inside. Hankins signed a one year deal. This was a easy decision.

Then that changes things a bit.
Wonder if Gallimore or Bohanna or both are on the hot seat then.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Nice assessment.

Scott is a tall CB who can't cover. I do not understand our obsession w/ him at all.

Fehoko was a reach, but I really don't know who was available there, so I guess we'll see.

I will never understand why we don't package some of these late round picks and move up. These guys will be lucky to make the team.

 

[sandbridge77]

You don’t know anything about these players. None of us do but some like to pretend. You wouldn’t know a good DE if DLaw slapped you upside your head.

The poster said he had no idea whether this was good, bad , or mediocre draft and you felt the need to attack him, dude you have a real problem

 

[Sinister]

Only way the Schooner pick makes sense is if he's the next Travis Kelce. Only way. If he's just a solid TE, absolutely terrible pick. Already have two of those on the roster.

I don't understand why does a second round pick need to be "Travis Kelce"? What if Torrence is bust or Schooner is productive and ends up being more consistent than either of our current tight ends or if he is able to give good minutes in a game, I don't think it will be a wasted in pick in that instance. I think it is just better to wait and see before comparing him to pro bowl tight ends.

 

[KJJ]

It’s going to take at least a couple of years to see how we did. We’ll get an idea this summer during training camp, preseason and during the regular season. It’s funny how so many make judgments immediately after the draft. We all do it but the true tale of the tape will come when these players put the pads on this summer. If you’re not seeing at least some flashes from a player during training camp and preseason, that’s a red flag. I remember Taco being dominated by Collins during an early training camp practice his rookie year. It got a big reaction on this board. Some tried to blow it off, saying he would be fine, but that was the first sign he was going to be a bust.

 

[baltcowboy]

Fans don’t seem to understand how important blocking is from other positions beyond the offensive line. Lots of our issues running the ball at the end of the season was because our tight ends could not block. Voch breaks down Schoonmaker and the guy blocks like an extra tackle. He is what most of us Washington fans thought he was gonna be.

 

[kskboys]

There actually is no point at all

Then why ya here?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I don't understand the, in order for it to be a great draft, top 10 player idea when the cowboys first pick was in the 20s. What players that would have been available at their picks of 26 and their 2nd round pick, would have a chance to start this year at their positions would you have preferred?

Their first 2 picks will have very nice role their rookie season

All tough questions.

 

[kskboys]

I don't understand why does a second round pick need to be "Travis Kelce"? What if Torrence is bust or Schooner is productive and ends up being more consistent than either of our current tight ends or if he is able to give good minutes in a game, I don't think it will be a wasted in pick in that instance. I think it is just better to wait and see before comparing him to pro bowl tight ends.

Because we didn't need a TE, and he wasn't even close to BPA. Only way it makes sense is if he is really really good.

 

[kskboys]

I will never understand why we don't package some of these late round picks and move up. These guys will be lucky to make the team.

Love the Deuce pick, everything else after the 3rd round appears to be non-NFL players.

 

[conner01]

Nice summary and pretty much agree.

Mazi can be a difference maker, especially once he learns to rush the QB.
Schoonmaker is meh, but can turn out to be a pretty good pick. I won't complain, just hope he is worth it.
Overshown, he can fit in very well and contribute, if used right, as he has some surrounding talent, and will not be asked to do too much too soon.
He can do what they ask of Kearse but possible better, and allow Kearse to be more of a true SS.

Agree, and I posted that several times, they did not need to go DE with Fehoko. I know it is more of a future pick. But that means another player that plays now is off the roster.
Unless they already decided who may be gone. I like the potential, but was he necessary at that point.

I don't know much about the OL, but I think they could addressed the OL sooner. I hope he pans out as depth is needed, then can become a future starter.
I did not like the trade for the CB Scott. Time will tell on this as all the other day 3 picks.
Vaughn looks like he can contribute something right away though.
Brooks at WR, as good as any other player I guess at that point.

Mazi was the best run stuffer in the draft
Can he impact the passing game? That I question. He can be taught but a guy who’s played over 30 college games and never had a sack has to learn a whole lot to have an impact because the competition is so much greater
Hope he can and he certainly has the physical ability. I just think in all the football he’s played something would have shown he could pas rush

 

[kskboys]

Mazi was the best run stuffer in the draft
Can he impact the passing game? That I question. He can be taught but a guy who’s played over 30 college games and never had a sack has to learn a whole lot to have an impact because the competition is so much greater
Hope he can and he certainly has the physical ability. I just think in all the football he’s played something would have shown he could pas rush

NT pass rush is pushing the pocket. He should be able to do that. And that would improve our D drastically.

 

[Pass2Run]

Nice assessment.

Scott is a tall CB who can't cover. I do not understand our obsession w/ him at all.

Fehoko was a reach, but I really don't know who was available there, so I guess we'll see.

Rangy guy...press corner who supposedly has quite a few TFLs for a corner.

Maybe the obsession is to motivate Diggs to tackle lest Scott take his job.

 

[kskboys]

Rangy guy...press corner who supposedly has quite a few TFLs for a corner.

Maybe the obsession is to motivate Diggs to tackle lest Scott take his job.

Straightline guy. Maybe STs?

 

[conner01]

NT pass rush is pushing the pocket. He should be able to do that. And that would improve our D drastically.

He should, but he never has. I can’t find pressure stats but he has very few TFL and you’d think if he was pressuring the pocket he’d got at least one sack in that many games
He’s great at plugging the run lanes around the center and maybe that’s all they ask him to do but I didn’t see much pushing the pocket in the games I watched
He certainly has the size, strength and speed to do it. He has the athletic ability to play some 3tech on paper

 

[visionary]

Agree
How different would this draft look if we had got Schmitz in rd 2 (I know would have required a small trade up) and Evans in rd 6? I’m betting Vaughn would have been there at bottom of rd 7 or UDFA