I am not ashamed to say I hope we lose Sunday

Kaiser said:
From other other four, if Garrett had Aaron Rodgers this whole time he would have a ring and Payton has been up and down.

I put Garrett slightly above average but saying he isn't in the top five isn't a reason to tear down the team, especially after a bad opener like a ton of NFL teams have when they don't play starters in the preseason.
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He had Tony Romo and only won a single playoff game, so I think that's a stretch. The reality is that Tony Romo is the only reason JG has a job right now, as is the case in Green Bay.
 
I can’t do it. Let’s say we win out and win the SB this year. Would you be ok with JG coming back next year.
 
Future said:
He had Tony Romo and only won a single playoff game, so I think that's a stretch. The reality is that Tony Romo is the only reason JG has a job right now, as is the case in Green Bay.
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Romo missed basically three full seasons during that time and Garrett had a 20 - 10 record during the recent period where the front office finally began to draft well. The Garrett/Romo combo took a team with a defense most posters here called "the worst D of the last 30 years" to a 13-3 record and the Dez catch game.

Nobody is saying Garrett is a top coach, but even having Romo Garrett wasn't the guy trading for WR Roy Williams or moving up for Morris Claiborne.
 
Kaiser said:
The Dez catch says Hi. You are talking about five other guys in the NFL. Exclude Belichick because no one matches that and his franchise gets "special privileges" from the NFL.

From other other four, if Garrett had Aaron Rodgers this whole time he would have a ring and Payton has been up and down.

I put Garrett slightly above average but saying he isn't in the top five isn't a reason to tear down the team, especially after a bad opener like a ton of NFL teams have when they don't play starters in the preseason.
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Dez catch occurred in the Super Bowl? Rodgers still had time for a drive and there's no guarantee we beat ATL the following week.

You basically proved my point though that he is not the solution here. If he can win elsewhere then go to another team. I need a head coach that can win here under the conditions of this job.
 
glimmerman said:
I can’t do it. Let’s say we win out and win the SB this year. Would you be ok with JG coming back next year.
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If it does, then of course. But I feel confident in saying that this team isn't making the playoffs.
 
Kaiser said:
Romo missed basically three full seasons during that time and Garrett had a 20 - 10 record during the recent period where the front office finally began to draft well. The Garrett/Romo combo took a team with a defense most posters here called "the worst D of the last 30 years" to a 13-3 record and the Dez catch game.

Nobody is saying Garrett is a top coach, but even having Romo Garrett wasn't the guy trading for WR Roy Williams or moving up for Morris Claiborne.
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What? I don't understand your timeline. Romo missed 10 games in 2010 and then 12 in 2014 but never missed more than 1 game in the other seasons under JG - they were 3-1 with Tony in 2015 and 1-11 without him.

I don't know what 20-10 period you're talking about - the last two seasons? They were 22-10, but that has nothing to do with my point. Because I'm saying that, if not for Romo, JG isn't still the head coach for that period.
 
Zordon said:
If it does, then of course. But I feel confident in saying that this team isn't making the playoffs.
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I wouldn't go that far, but I do feel confident in saying that we could fire JG tomorrow, have no head coach, and notice absolutely no difference on the field.
 
Zordon said:
Badly.

The see-saw "win one, lose one" 8-8 meddling that Garrett has perfected would be the worse result for this season. It will lead to Garrett and his pathetic staff returning for another year and it also ruins our draft position for a possible franchise QB or an elite defensive prospect. My eye is to the future from here on out. The franchise needs to be humbled on and off the field (ratings) this year for changes to be made.
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I know it's frustrating watching the floundering Cowboys, but what is there to root for if not a win? A high draft pick? I'm out.
 
Zordon said:
Dez catch occurred in the Super Bowl? Rodgers still had time for a drive and there's no guarantee we beat ATL the following week.

You basically proved my point though that he is not the solution here. If he can win elsewhere then go to another team. I need a head coach that can win here under the conditions of this job.
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So the logic is that any team Aaron Rodgers beats has to fire its coach and do a teardown?

That leaves Bilichick and McCarthy by default, then 30 NFL teams without a head coach.
 
Future said:
What? I don't understand your timeline. Romo missed 10 games in 2010 and then 12 in 2014 but never missed more than 1 game in the other seasons under JG - they were 3-1 with Tony in 2015 and 1-11 without him.
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Just like you say, Romo missed 10 games or more in three season - 2010, 2015 and 2016 (I think you mean 2015 when you posted 2014 above).

The last five years is the period where Dallas finally started to draft well and build a young core. In that period (with Romo and Garrett) they went 8-7 in 2013 and 12-3 in 2014 for a record of 20 - 10.

So when the team was drafting well and Romo was healthy, Garrett went 20 - 10. That's the opposite of your original point that Garrett coiuldn't win with Romo.
 
Kaiser said:
Romo missed basically three full seasons during that time and Garrett had a 20 - 10 record during the recent period where the front office finally began to draft well. The Garrett/Romo combo took a team with a defense most posters here called "the worst D of the last 30 years" to a 13-3 record and the Dez catch game.

Nobody is saying Garrett is a top coach, but even having Romo Garrett wasn't the guy trading for WR Roy Williams or moving up for Morris Claiborne.
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No that was the year Jerr took Garrett’s hands completely off the offense and said JG would have an anibiguous role, and JG can handle it, but one thing for certain is they don’t want him touching the offense.

So there was no Romo/Garrett combo there.. it was the Romo/Linehan combo that Jerry was gushing about during training camp.
 
Kaiser said:
Just like you say, Romo missed 10 games or more in three season - 2010, 2015 and 2016 (I think you mean 2015 when you posted 2014 above).

The last five years is the period where Dallas finally started to draft well and build a young core. In that period (with Romo and Garrett) they went 8-7 in 2013 and 12-3 in 2014 for a record of 20 - 10.

So when the team was drafting well and Romo was healthy, Garrett went 20 - 10. That's the opposite of your original point that Garrett coiuldn't win with Romo.
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Oh, I see. I wasn't counting 2016, my bad.

My original point was that saying giving JG Aaron Rodgers doesn't mean he'd have a ring...that's b/c he couldn't do anything WITH Romo. On the back side of that, Romo carried the 11-12-13 teams to 8-8. Without him, they go 4-12 and JG is fired. The fact that JG has has good records when healthy and with good drafts basically is an indictment of him lol. Most critics of him don't like the fact that he's totally dependent on talent to win.
 
Zordon said:
Badly.

The see-saw "win one, lose one" 8-8 meddling that Garrett has perfected would be the worse result for this season. It will lead to Garrett and his pathetic staff returning for another year and it also ruins our draft position for a possible franchise QB or an elite defensive prospect. My eye is to the future from here on out. The franchise needs to be humbled on and off the field (ratings) this year for changes to be made.
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Sorry, but that would be the definition of a loser.
 
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Too early to hope for a loss that "could" lead to change. Now, if the offense looks just as dismal as last week and we lose......then it might be in our best interest for the bottom to fall out.

As of right now, all is not lost and lets hope it was mostly rust last Sunday.
 
Tabascocat said:
Too early to hope for a loss that "could" lead to change. Now, if the offense looks just as dismal as last week and we lose......then it might be in our best interest for the bottom to fall out.

As of right now, all is not lost and lets hope it was mostly rust last Sunday.
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If they play like they did against Carolina again, 0-2 is a given and that could easily spiral.
 
Future said:
The fact that JG has has good records when healthy and with good drafts basically is an indictment of him lol. Most critics of him don't like the fact that he's totally dependent on talent to win.
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Sure, but isn't that true of every head coach?
 
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