I am walking the plank here! Predicting a shutout by the Cowboys

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I'm convinced you can put that gif in any given thread and regardless of rather or not it is related it will get at least 3 likes.

Yeah thats hall of fame right there, I like this one myself

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We should have lost the first game against them with Romo and Dez, now we will shut them out without the two of them. Im going disagree

Dez and Romo doesn't play defense.

I can see a shut out. Giants scored most of their points in turnovers. Their offense really didn't move the ball to great. Plus our defense is at full strength. ..minus Scandrick. ...I see no reason why we can't pitch a shut out
 

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The Cowboys did really well against the Pats short ball control offense in the 1st half.

The Giants will likely copy the Pats and Saints in terms of running picks plays repeatedly. Hopefully the Cowboys spent a lot of time on defense working on a way to combat the pick plays.


There really is no way which is why pick plays are illegal. We just have to hope the refs call them on it early enough to make teams think twice.
 

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Don't discount the Eagles. I wouldn't bet money on the Cowboys but it does seem like our defense really does have that offenses number and truthfully, besides the Thanksgiving game last season, we have always matched up well with them. Never know what to expect when they have a turnover machine at QB.

Seahawks? If our defense plays well, we can keep the game a close, low scoring game and give us a chance. This is not the Seahawks team of old. In no way do I expect us to go 4-0, I would be happy with 2-2 but I am not convinced any of the next 4 games are going to be easy wins for our opponents.

I'm sticking by my initial assessment going into the bye week with some of the changes that were announced. If we beat the Giants (firmly believe we will), we have a very good chance to carry that momentum to the Seattle game and potentially go 4-0. It all about momentum and we will gain some tomorrow.
 

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There really is no way which is why pick plays are illegal. We just have to hope the refs call them on it early enough to make teams think twice.

No, there are ways to combat pick plays but there are risks if it's not done correctly.

The 2 CBs on the side of the field with 2 WRs can switch off coverage. They can play a 2 man zone or switch off in man based on the routes. The switch off can work well; however, if they are not on the same page, it can end up with 2 CBs covering the same WR and nobody covering the other one. They did use this coverage in the past but Claiborne often failed to do it correctly and Scandrick could be seen after the play yelling at him and trying to explain what he should have done.

Another method is to play tighter press coverage to make it difficult for the WR setting the pick to get between the CB and the WR. The downside is that if the CB does get picked, then he can't get in position to make the tackle after the catch.

Just a simple mix of man and zone could help but Claiborne has always struggled with zone because it is more mentally challenging.

Something that they could do on occasion is to put a hard hit on the WR setting the pick. The problem with that is that defensive players are way more likely to get called on plays with contact than offensive players. Nevertheless, when some of those small WR like the Patriots have are setting picks, big CBs like Carr, Jones and White could ring their bell a couple of times.
 

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No, there are ways to combat pick plays but there are risks if it's not done correctly.

The 2 CBs on the side of the field with 2 WRs can switch off coverage. They can play a 2 man zone or switch off in man based on the routes. The switch off can work well; however, if they are not on the same page, it can end up with 2 CBs covering the same WR and nobody covering the other one. They did use this coverage in the past but Claiborne often failed to do it correctly and Scandrick could be seen after the play yelling at him and trying to explain what he should have done.

Another method is to play tighter press coverage to make it difficult for the WR setting the pick to get between the CB and the WR. The downside is that if the CB does get picked, then he can't get in position to make the tackle after the catch.

Just a simple mix of man and zone could help but Claiborne has always struggled with zone because it is more mentally challenging.

Something that they could do on occasion is to put a hard hit on the WR setting the pick. The problem with that is that defensive players are way more likely to get called on plays with contact than offensive players. Nevertheless, when some of those small WR like the Patriots have are setting picks, big CBs like Carr, Jones and White could ring their bell a couple of times.

Sadly, as a staff, our coaches have not utilized strategy at any given time to capitalize on a rule that will obviously need to be reviewed and adjusted after the season ends. Yet other teams are having a field day with using the pick play to the extreme. It's only truly getting called about 50% of the time.

It's like trying a pick play or disguising it in some way to pop someone free will tarnish our image. Pweeze...
 

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I sound like a broken record on this forum recently, but with Romo, I'd think we were primed to stomp them into the ground this week.

Without Romo? I predict it'll be close. Uncomfortable, stomach churning, bullet-sweating close.

With Romo in the opener and with Dez for most of the game it went down to the wire vs the Giants. Even as DREADFUL as Philly's offense was in week 2 that game was still in the balance when Romo went out with his injury. Some seem to think once Romo returns the Cowboys will never lose another game. There's still issues with the team that are deeper than not having Romo and Dez and you could see that in the opener with both players on the field. The running game is what makes this team go it's the reason the Cowboys had such a successful season in 2014. Romo was forced to put the ball up 45 times in the opener which was more than in any game last season. He was on pace for another 40+ passing attempt game vs Philly when he went down.

He was back being asked to win games again due to an inconsistent running game and it was his last ditch drive vs the Giants in the opener that won it. Due to the lack of a running game the offense was stuck in neutral with Weeden. It took a last ditch 91 yard drive with him to get to OT with the Saints. The running game MUST improve or the problems we've been seeing are going to continue. You can put anyone you want on the defense and the unit will continue to wear down in the second half if they're having to stay on the field due to an ineffective offense. With or without Romo the Cowboys have got to get the running game going.
 

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With Romo, we needed a gaffe from a 2-time SB champion QB and HC... and an amazing drive to score to win with 7 seconds on the clock.
Plus, we had everyone but Hardy on the field for that game.... the Giants are always a tough out.

Didn't have Dez, Hardy, McClain.
 

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Sadly, as a staff, our coaches have not utilized strategy at any given time to capitalize on a rule that will obviously need to be reviewed and adjusted after the season ends. Yet other teams are having a field day with using the pick play to the extreme. It's only truly getting called about 50% of the time.

It's like trying a pick play or disguising it in some way to pop someone free will tarnish our image. Pweeze...

The Cowboys have run a few picks plays. They did get penalized for one, maybe more, but I just remember one. Williams set a pick to get Beasley open in the Pats game. I have not looked for them so I don't really know how often they've done it, but it has happened. They do need to do it more often.

They won't need to do it now. They can just hand the ball to C-Mike when they want 10 or more yards.
 

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We did not have Ro. And Lee hadn't played a game in over a year. Gregory also went out that game. Dez was also in and out of the game until he was out for good.

Also saying "we had everyone but Hardy" (while inaccurate as i've shown) is kind of silly right? Hardy might be the best defensive end in football. He's certainly in the conversation. That's no small subtraction.

Also if you recall we were dominating the Giants everywhere but the scoreboard due to some self inflicted wounds. Romo had two god awful interceptions...one when Williams ran the wrong route and another I believe when Dez fell down. We also had the Lance Dunbar lost fumble. All in all we won that game while losing the turnover battle 3 to 0.

We are miles better than this Giants team. Don't let the close score from week 1 fool you.

How quickly people like KJJ forget to further his I hate the Cowboys agenda.
 

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Nicely done..lol

Hopefully, C-Mike remembers that he has to pretend to be human. If Goodell discovers that he is Super-Human then he'll get banned from the league (Unless the Giants or Pats sign him).
 

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it could be a 3-0 shutout if we continue to have trouble moving the ball.
 

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How quickly people like KJJ forget to further his I hate the Cowboys agenda.

He wasn't quoting me go call out the poster he was quoting if you think giving candid opinions about the Cowboys is hating on them. Never seen anyone who's sickened by hearing honest opinions about the team like you are. You're the one with an agenda always jumping on those who don't pump sunshine and spin negatives into positives everyday like you do. The team starts losing their best players and you're on the board finding something good about it. I've never seen anyone find so much good out of bad situations like you do. If the Cowboys lose their next 4 games you'll be on the board tossing roses in the air claiming there's no need to panic we're actually sitting in a great position because now that everyone has been lulled to sleep and has given up on us with Romo coming back we'll win out and be white hot entering the playoffs. :laugh:
 

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With Romo, we needed a gaffe from a 2-time SB champion QB and HC... and an amazing drive to score to win with 7 seconds on the clock.
Plus, we had everyone but Hardy on the field for that game.... the Giants are always a tough out.

And McClain and Dez and Gregory for a lot of the game.
 

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We did not have Ro. And Lee hadn't played a game in over a year. Gregory also went out that game. Dez was also in and out of the game until he was out for good.

Also saying "we had everyone but Hardy" (while inaccurate as i've shown) is kind of silly right? Hardy might be the best defensive end in football. He's certainly in the conversation. That's no small subtraction.

Also if you recall we were dominating the Giants everywhere but the scoreboard due to some self inflicted wounds. Romo had two god awful interceptions...one when Williams ran the wrong route and another I believe when Dez fell down. We also had the Lance Dunbar lost fumble. All in all we won that game while losing the turnover battle 3 to 0.

We are miles better than this Giants team. Don't let the close score from week 1 fool you.

If I'm remembering this game correctly, one interception was on Streets play on a slant where he got popped after he caught itand it went directly in to the defenses hands. The other was the throw to Witten that he tipped and went right in to the defenders hands again. The fumble I thought was on Beasley.
 

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Whats the latest word on Beckham? Last I heard he was doubtful which if he doesn't play would increase our chances.
 

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We did not have Ro. And Lee hadn't played a game in over a year. Gregory also went out that game. Dez was also in and out of the game until he was out for good.

Also saying "we had everyone but Hardy" (while inaccurate as i've shown) is kind of silly right? Hardy might be the best defensive end in football. He's certainly in the conversation. That's no small subtraction.

Also if you recall we were dominating the Giants everywhere but the scoreboard due to some self inflicted wounds. Romo had two god awful interceptions...one when Williams ran the wrong route and another I believe when Dez fell down. We also had the Lance Dunbar lost fumble. All in all we won that game while losing the turnover battle 3 to 0.

We are miles better than this Giants team. Don't let the close score from week 1 fool you.

We had Romo the entire game who put up 356 yards and 3 TDs. The 2 players who contributed most to that win Romo and Dunbar won't be on the field along with Dez who had 5 catches for 48 yards. We had some self inflicted wounds but no one shot themselves in the foot more than the Giants did in the final minutes of the game giving the Cowboys an opportunity at a win they should have never had. To say we're miles ahead of the Giants when we'll be debuting a journeyman QB who's only been with the team 5 weeks is a bit premature don't you think?

It's silly to say any team that's riding a 3 game losing streak is miles ahead of any team. Despite the Giants poor performance vs Philly they've still won 3 of their last 4 games. The Cowboys are in a 3 game tailspin coming off a pounding to NE and are starting their 3rd QB this season in a desperate move to try and save their season and many here are taking the Giants for granted. I guess I'm just too much of a realist to understand the thinking some of you have.
 

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Whats the latest word on Beckham? Last I heard he was doubtful which if he doesn't play would increase our chances.

Last word I heard was he was "questionable" and was expected to play.
 
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