I can't believe this forum...

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not in love with any of them and personally wish Parcells was still here and gave us the best chance to win next season.

Oh my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[burmafrd]

BP just did not have the staff or energy to take us any farther. As regards winning a playoff game, considering how close we came to doing just that, the BP haters really show their stupidity. The bottom line was that we used up a whole lot of luck in 2003; and it takes years to refill that well. Hopefully 2007 is the year we start getting some of the breaks again.
Payton had a whole lot of talent already there- lucked into getting Brees and Bush and a couple of others. And then got schooled by the Bears. It happens to everyone. Payton had a TON of talent waiting for him- BP had very little. To me, what BP accomplished in 2003 with what we had absolutely BLOWS away what Payton did this year.
This is a solid, plalyoff team- and BP is the reason it is.

 

[philo beddoe]

I loved Parcells but I'll be the first to state that he certainly wasn't perfect.
He had his faults, that's for sure.

But it amazes me that the same conviction people here showed in wanting him departed is the same conviction being shown in favor of complete nobodys in the NFL coaching world, based solely upon the fact that they got an interview.

It's mind boggling.

UVAwahoos:

You just made one of the most sensible posts I've read here and it is comforting to know that I am not the only one who doesn't believe everything I read and doesn't run with the masses.
Thank you.

What about Frank Beamer? Would you like that? LOL

 

[zeromaster]

seemed an overwhelming majority wanted Parcells out and gone...

and yet all of you are so excited the idea of having a position coach or 1st time Headcoach taking over this winning team next year.

It's like you'll buy anything the Jones' are selling.

How many of you would have thought EVEN ONCE about Singletary, Rivera, Ryan, Garrett, etc. as our future headcoach BEFORE they were mentioned as possible candidates?

Nobody.

And now all of the sudden everyone is completely on board with Singletary because Jerry said so?

...

I miss BP already...

Dude is gone, and he wanted to leave, so focus on that for a change. The fans didn't make him leave. Time to move on. At least he's lending a hand in finding the next HC.

It's not like the family pet died.

Sheesh.

 

[baj1dallas]

You talk as if Jerry ran Parcells out of town, when in point of fact the guy up and QUIT...

I was 100 per cent behind him right up to the moment he did that, but if he doesn't have it in him to give it one more shot, he has to go...

You need to get over it, and face the future with your weary past...

If there are any Dan Fogelberg fans in here, they'll get that last reference... LOL...

the fans and the media ran him out of town, I'll always believe that.

for the record I thought Parcells did a good job (until December) and I wanted one more year of him. I'm not the type to believe that something is "wrong" if you don't make it to the superbowl every year.

 

[dbair1967]

seemed an overwhelming majority wanted Parcells out and gone...

and yet all of you are so excited the idea of having a position coach or 1st time Headcoach taking over this winning team next year.

It's like you'll buy anything the Jones' are selling.

How many of you would have thought EVEN ONCE about Singletary, Rivera, Ryan, Garrett, etc. as our future headcoach BEFORE they were mentioned as possible candidates?

Nobody.

And now all of the sudden everyone is completely on board with Singletary because Jerry said so?

...

I miss BP already...

David

 

[mr.jameswoods]

seemed an overwhelming majority wanted Parcells out and gone...

and yet all of you are so excited the idea of having a position coach or 1st time Headcoach taking over this winning team next year.

It's like you'll buy anything the Jones' are selling.

How many of you would have thought EVEN ONCE about Singletary, Rivera, Ryan, Garrett, etc. as our future headcoach BEFORE they were mentioned as possible candidates?

Nobody.

And now all of the sudden everyone is completely on board with Singletary because Jerry said so?

...

I miss BP already...

You have a point. I was one of those guys who wanted Parcells gone BUT I also agreed there aren't many available coaches who were better than Parcells. However, I think Rivera is an excellent candidate and I would prefer him over Parcells. He is younger and has that fire that Parcells seemed to lack this past year. And I think we have enough talent on defense that he could make our defense one of the best in the league.

 

[dbair1967]

the fans and the media ran him out of town, I'll always believe that.
for the record I thought Parcells did a good job (until December) and I wanted one more year of him. I'm not the type to believe that something is "wrong" if you don't make it to the superbowl every year.

if so, your another one of those that every sales person should call on, regardless of what they are selling

David

 

[CounterTrey]

Dude, the Skins and Terps are two of the most pathetic teams in pro and college football. How would you know anything about coaches? With your garbage NFL team, the entire coaching situation is a mess and your head coach looks and acts like he died 2 years ago.

I'd be on extremeskins right now asking people how Snyder pulled off fooling you guys into a "Weekend at Bernie's" style situation where you actually believe Gibbs is alive. Don't worry about us, we'll somehow get by without you.

ps. Don't we still have a better record at Fed Ex field than you idiots do? Talk about a home away from home.

Funny stuff coming from a "wahoo". Even funnier considering the Skins have 2 more playoff wins over the last decade than your team does. nd a fan of any team Jerry Jones owns is running high comedy when they run owner smack.

The last thing I'm doing is touting our accomplishments but the term about throwing stones in glass houses applies heavily to you.

Thanks for the laugh, I needed the morning pick me up!

FWIW I agree with your sentiments about Parcells but come on man....a UVA and Cowboy fan talking smack in the midst of the runs both your teams have been on for years?



Wasup Bear, long time no see!

 

[tunahelper]

seemed an overwhelming majority wanted Parcells out and gone...

and yet all of you are so excited the idea of having a position coach or 1st time Headcoach taking over this winning team next year.

It's like you'll buy anything the Jones' are selling.

How many of you would have thought EVEN ONCE about Singletary, Rivera, Ryan, Garrett, etc. as our future headcoach BEFORE they were mentioned as possible candidates?

Nobody.

And now all of the sudden everyone is completely on board with Singletary because Jerry said so?

...

I miss BP already...

Well BP brought in better talent, no questoning that fact.
However, would you agree this team underachieved last year?
We should have NEVER lost 7 games this year.
I think BP handcuffed our coordinators ability to create on both sides of the ball. Anyone could see our vanilla play calling and lack of gameday scheming(ie:Seattle playoff game).
Look BP put us in place maybe someone else is creative enough, to get us over the hump.
Phil Jackson to the Lakers analogy fits here!

 

[superpunk]

I didn't want Bill to hang it up, either. He did, though, and there's nothing we can do about it. I said many, many times that it would be best for the Cowboys if he stayed one more year - at least then there are some no-brainer candidates available like Fisher and Cowher. Many people couldn't take one more day of him, and that's fine. Me, I appreciate wholeheartedly what he did here.

At no point in Cowboys history, from the reading and limited actual viewing I've been able to do in my short life, has the team been so devoid of NFL-caliber players as it was in 03 when Bill took over. Maybe at the start of Landry's career, and who knows how our fate as a team would have been different had we bailed on him after 4 years. I have a feeling some of the same people killing old man-boobs would have been calling for Landry's head, too. But, Bill took that pathetic team, and due to a fortuitous schedule, coaxed 10-6 and a playoff berth.

How pathetic was that team? You tell me. Most of the players aren't in the league anymore, and only a precious few are on the team. That's one of the great coaching jobs in Cowboys history. Unfortunately, it also set us back two years, as we didn't start destroying that talentless team in earnest until 2004's offseason. So, I never quite viewed Parcells' tenure as 4 years of failure. It was 3 years of decent success, two years of progress at the end, marked by some fantastic FA pickups, trades, developing of players, getting us a QB, making our team youthful and significantly more talented....I can't be displeased with that, no matter what the final record was.

Because people tend to forget. The way I currently view the Raiders was the way our Cowboys were viewed by everyone just 4 short years ago. We could win 5 games a year, and honestly, those 5 were an absolute miracle. We trotted QBs through like show dogs, and we even signed Ryan Leaf. Bill changed ALL of that. BILL changed it. We went from absolute laughing-stock to NFL contenders in his tenure. Maybe that's not "Mission Accomplished", but I was looking forward to continuing in that direction. Bill is my favorite Cowboys coach of my lifetime, and that includes Jimmy. He's charismatic, entertaining, extremely knowledgable, and above all, he allowed me to stop rooting for garbage. I wanted more, but he's old - he just didn't have it in him.

At this point all it really makes sense to do is move on. I think it's hilarious that some of Bill's most vehement opposers show so much support for a complete failure as a HC in Norv - but we all love nostalgia to some extent. That's just a little too far for me. I see too much of the failures we endured for years as our Cowboys self-destructed more and more each year. No tie to yesteryear can make me ignore how dreadful Norv Turner has been as a HC. Hell, the only joy I had for years was getting to face HIS teams. Now I'm supposed to want him coaching the Cowboys? No thanks.

I look forward to the next HC hire. Jerry's taking his time. That's either foolish, or very shrewd. My money's on pretty shrewd, especially since he still has had Bill around helping him out. He's doing his diligence, and not just hiring the first puppet he can find. At this point, whoever is hired, I'll be excited about - clearly this candidate will have had to wow Jerry and Bill, more than all the others - and it's been an extensive search so far. I have enough trust in that collective that I think the best decision possible will be made.

Unless it's Norv. Then I go ape-****.

 

[Hostile]

the fans and the media ran him out of town, I'll always believe that.

for the record I thought Parcells did a good job (until December) and I wanted one more year of him. I'm not the type to believe that something is "wrong" if you don't make it to the superbowl every year.

Nor am I, but I do think that 2-3 after Thanksgiving every season and giving up more points each year is an indication his heart was not in it.

 

[silverbear]

Funny stuff coming from a "wahoo". Even funnier considering the Skins have 2 more playoff wins over the last decade than your team does. nd a fan of any team Jerry Jones owns is running high comedy when they run owner smack.

The last thing I'm doing is touting our accomplishments but the term about throwing stones in glass houses applies heavily to you.

Thanks for the laugh, I needed the morning pick me up!

FWIW I agree with your sentiments about Parcells but come on man....a UVA and Cowboy fan talking smack in the midst of the runs both your teams have been on for years?



Wasup Bear, long time no see!

Hey, ol' buddy... good to see you in here...

 

[zrinkill]

the fans and the media ran him out of town, I'll always believe that.

You did not know Bill Parcells then .....

 

[aikemirv]

I was not necessarily for BP leaving but I was for some changes on defense.

I like the idea of Singletary and Rivera because from there resumes it looks as though they know how to motivate players and get them going.

We were missing that or we just have dumb players. I am not sure exactly which it was. We don't have good leaders on defense and it sounds as though at least Singletary knows how to develope them. Rivera also knows how to deal with players and get them going from what I have read also and he has been with successful D's in Chicago and Philly.

I just don't know if BP had the energy needed to do that anymore and Singletary and Rivera seem to be ready for the challenge. With either though, it is important to get a good DC.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

seemed an overwhelming majority wanted Parcells out and gone...

and yet all of you are so excited the idea of having a position coach or 1st time Headcoach taking over this winning team next year.

It's like you'll buy anything the Jones' are selling.

How many of you would have thought EVEN ONCE about Singletary, Rivera, Ryan, Garrett, etc. as our future headcoach BEFORE they were mentioned as possible candidates?

Nobody.

And now all of the sudden everyone is completely on board with Singletary because Jerry said so?

...

I miss BP already...

There were a great deal of people, myself included, who had hoped Bill would have came back for at least one more year because we knew two things.

This years possible crop of Coaches were not a group that was going to make you drool. Many believed next year possibly Lovie Smith, Bill Cowher and Jeff Fisher might be available. Some may not like those candidates but at least they are looked upon in a very good light around the leange.

The other reason people wanted Bill to stick around one more year was because they were afraid of Jerry turning to his old ways.

Now I realize you are mostly speaking to those that were belly aching about bill and happy he retired and he is gone...I was just giving some reasons why some of us wanted bill to stay.

With all of that said.

He DID retire. So we ARE now in the situation where we have to find a new coach and staff.

We may not like the idea but there it is. And when you have to find the new coaches you can only search where you are allowed to search.

IF you gave people the choice between Norv or Cowher...the majority (of course there will always be those that disagree but I said the majority) would pick Cowher.

If you gave people the choice of Jeff Fisher or Wade Phillips the majority would take Fisher.

But we don't have those name coaches to chose from...so we can only sift through who is out there and available right now.

Does not mean we will be happy with a name or the choices...I know I don't want Norv as the HC, but it is hard for people to complain about not going after the big names...when they are just not out there right now. And we can't just go without a HC and other coaches this year...unless you want Jerry to be the HC and so on.

So, most are not happy with the current situation, except those that have that be all end all blame bill and celebrate him being gone attitude.

We just know you can only work with what you can get and right now there are no blue chipper Head Coaches out there available right now.

That does not mean one can not get excited about a person out of a weak pool. I mean Singletary may need more EXP I don't think many would question that. However I also don't see how people could not be excited about him in some ways just for the fire and grit he could bring.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Nobody was more excited than I was when Jones put his ego aside, no small feat I might add, and hired Bill Parcells.

But that was because I thought we were getting the old fiery Bill Parcells, not the "casper milk toast", "milk of magnesia" version.

He was stuck in the 80's, and he simply had gotten old.

He improved the talent on our roster, and for that I am grateful, but that is all he did.

He infuriated me week after week when he would just stand there on the sidelines, ... dead, no reaction at all, lifeless, with that sick "I just stepped in it" look on his face.

His team looked at times as though they were just going through the motions.

Let's be honest, if a no-name "Bob Smith" would have come in and gone 34-32 with no playoff wins and no Division titles, collapsing each December, we would all agree that is was time for him to move on.

But because it was Bill Parcells and we all wanted and hoped that the "fiery Bill" would somehow rise from the ashes, we just kept holding on to that dream.

This team needs a huge injection of the enthusiasm of youth. I am ready to roll the dice on an 'up and coming' new coach. If we could get a young Bill Parcells I would be all for that, but that ain't happening.

It really seems as though Jerry is leaving no stone unturned, .. so let's just hope he can recognize who this team needs to breath life back into them.

 

[burmafrd]

Two things: BP was not able to assemble a really top staff and he no longer had the energy to really bang heads.
That said, the talent level NOW is so much higher then when he got here its ridiculous. Outside of Glover, and LA, who is left from the 2003 team that is starting anywhere else but here? And Glover seems to finally be feeling his age- we might have let him go at exactly the right time. LA was already past his prime when BP got here- and was steadily deteriorating.

 

[Hostile]

Two things: BP was not able to assemble a really top staff and he no longer had the energy to really bang heads.
That said, the talent level NOW is so much higher then when he got here its ridiculous. Outside of Glover, and LA, who is left from the 2003 team that is starting anywhere else but here? And Glover seems to finally be feeling his age- we might have let him go at exactly the right time. LA was already past his prime when BP got here- and was steadily deteriorating.

When did he ever attempt to assemble a top staff? He sought out High School coaches and unheard of guys while Al Saunders was highly regarded and never given a sniff. That might have been a good thing.

Zimmer was the DC but says he had no creative control of the D.

Payton was the OC, but says the same.

From the get go he didn't want star players or loqacious assistant coaches. he said he was going to be the face fo the franchise. His words, not mine. His own fault that face had a dazed and confused look on it.