I do not see any difference between that play and the Dez play in 2014 *merged*

[MarcusRock]

More like, we might win the game if Romo doesn't make a stupid throw on 4th and 2 and hits a wide open Beasely for a 1st down instead. No matter if Dez catches/caught it or not, it was an extremely stupid play to try. A pass like that is a low percentage pass that you do not utilize on 4th down w/ the game on the line. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I asked that question too and I think someone else on the old DC boards said that Romo addressed the Beasley option and why he didn't take it but I don't remember what the explanation was.

 

[kskboys]

I asked that question too and I think someone else on the old DC boards said that Romo addressed the Beasley option and why he didn't take it but I don't remember what the explanation was.

There simply is no logical explanation for throwing a low percentage pass on 4th and 2 w/ a playoff game on the line.

 

[Fan54]

Wasn't the Dez 'No catch' originally ruled a catch by the officials on the field, then overturned by Goodell's henchmen in NY?..Time and again it is shown that what NY wants...NY gets.

 

[OmerV]

There simply is no logical explanation for throwing a low percentage pass on 4th and 2 w/ a playoff game on the line.

I was yelling at the TV the second I saw they were going to throw deep. It didn't make sense. The Cowboys offense had been doing a good job moving the ball, and I would have felt the odds were good with a more conservative play on 4th and 2, but a downfield pass defied logic.

 

[OmerV]

Wasn't the Dez 'No catch' originally ruled a catch by the officials on the field, then overturned by Goodell's henchmen in NY?..Time and again it is shown that what NY wants...NY gets.

Green Bay is in Wisconsen, not NY.

 

[glimmerman]

Green Bay is in Wisconsen, not NY.

I think it was reviewed in NY by what’s his name. Call came down from there.

 

[KC10Sooner]

I think it was reviewed in NY by what’s his name. Call came down from there.

Dean Blandino made the call

 

[DogFace]

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I think catch theorists should have to prove that their suppositions aren't slanted in attempts to shoehorn the result they wanted to see since the play was ruled on and defended by the league. Suppositions such as:
"upright long enough" is "going to the ground trumps the catch process"
the catch process can't be completed while falling now

Continuing to trot out the same case play does nothing if you can't compare it to an identical case play (one that says a player lunged) from 2015 onward. This is why I focus on the 2014 case play's language that says a lunge, already meeting the 3-part requirement as an act common to the game "is not part of the process of the catch," that INCLUDES an act common to the game, clearly meaning it is considered a separate act like the case play says it is. Otherwise, why not just say he had control, 2 feet, and performed an act common to the game?

It Can’t be prepared to post 2015 because the rule changed.

 

[MarcusRock]

BS.
I will try to make this simple, so even you can understand.

The caseplay from the 2014 rules

A.R. 8.12 GOING TO THE GROUND—COMPLETE PASS First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted by B1. He goes to the ground as a result of the contact, gets his second foot down, and with the ball in his right arm, he braces himself at the three-yard line with his left hand and simultaneously lunges forward toward the goal line. When he lands in the end zone, the ball comes out. Ruling: Touchdown Team A. Kickoff A35. The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch, and A2 is down by contact.

The three part process exists along side going to the ground in 2014, if the process happens before they hit the ground it is a catch, if it doesn't they must maintain control. It is right there in black and white. Once Dez moved the ball to his left hand and extended it toward the goalline he completed the process.

What upright long enough did was change the ability for the process to exist with going to the ground. In 2014 the time element was really unnecessary, in reality you either make a football move or you don't. Unless you have a receiver catch it and stand still for several seconds, gets hit or falls down on their own, what is the need for the or long enough to do so? The caseplay clearly says that a player going to the ground can still complete the process, so saying Dez did not stay up long enough to do so is moot. What they did in 2015 was take away the thing that completes the process and replace it with a vague phrase that was constructed to align with the misapplication they applied to the Bryant play. What should have happened was to clarify exactly what is a move common to the game, but if they did that they'd have to admit they blew the call in GB.

Here is your smoking gun, buddy.

From the 2015 NFL Rulebook and Casebook
The very top of Page 120

A.R. 8.12 GOING TO THE GROUND—COMPLETE PASS First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted by B1. He goes to the ground as a result of the contact, gets his second foot down, and with the ball in his right arm, he braces himself at the three-yard line with his left hand and simultaneously lunges forward toward the goal line. When he lands in the end zone, the ball comes out.
Ruling: Touchdown Team A. Kickoff A35. The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch, and A2 is down by contact.
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EXACT ... SAME ... WORDING ... in 2015, not 2014.


Do you and @percyhoward yield on this or is there still a CONSPIRACY! / coverup going on?
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[OmerV]

I think it was reviewed in NY by what’s his name. Call came down from there.

Yes, but the point is NY didn't have an interest in the game, so why blame the fact the call was reversed on NY?

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

I've heard a few media types suggest that if that were a regular season game the call probably would have been overturned and ruled incomplete. I tend to agree with that.

 

[nathanlt]

Not what the rule book says man.

The rule book doesn't say that your full body has to touch the ground, to complete the process. So, one foot touching the ground completes it. Without clarification by the rulebook, that's all that going to the ground technically means.

You are inventing things in the rule book that aren't there.

So, BY RULE, CATCH!!

 

[DogFace]

Here is your smoking gun, buddy.

From the 2015 NFL Rulebook and Casebook
The very top of Page 120

A.R. 8.12 GOING TO THE GROUND—COMPLETE PASS First-and-10-on B25. A1 throws a pass to A2 who controls the ball and gets one foot down before he is contacted by B1. He goes to the ground as a result of the contact, gets his second foot down, and with the ball in his right arm, he braces himself at the three-yard line with his left hand and simultaneously lunges forward toward the goal line. When he lands in the end zone, the ball comes out.
Ruling: Touchdown Team A. Kickoff A35. The pass is complete. When the receiver hits the ground in the end zone, it is the result of lunging forward after bracing himself at the three-yard line and is not part of the process of the catch. Since the ball crossed the goal line, it is a touchdown. If the ball is short of the goal line, it is a catch, and A2 is down by contact.
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EXACT ... SAME ... WORDING ... in 2015, not 2014.


Do you and @percyhoward yield on this or is there still a CONSPIRACY! / coverup going on?
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Again, the rules changed for what it took to establish yourself as a runner after the Dez catch.

 

[glimmerman]

Yes, but the point is NY didn't have an interest in the game, so why blame the fact the call was reversed on NY?

Cause dean is mean. Lol

 

[MarcusRock]

Again, the rules changed for what it took to establish yourself as a runner after the Dez catch.

You're not following. If people are saying that this A.R. 8.12 from 2014 was proof that you could complete the process of the catch while going to the ground in 2014 but the rules changed in 2015 to say you couldn't anymore to cover up that they ruled incorrectly on the Dez play and tried to apply 2015 rules retroactively, I just showed how the exact same A.R. 8.12 is in the 2015 Rule Book and Case Book meaning that you COULD still complete the process of the catch while going to the ground. That's why the A.R. is titled "Going to the Ground."

Does this make sense?

 

[MarcusRock]

Yes, but the point is NY didn't have an interest in the game, so why blame the fact the call was reversed on NY?

Remember on the DC boards, that Mara owns the New York Giants. The NFL head office is in New York.
CONNECT THE DOTS MAN!

 

[JoeKing]

When the announcers in the Super Bowl years later say they STILL don't know what a catch is, IT IS a public relations nightmare for everyone.

So the announcers are the experts? NO, they are just talking heads and the ones at NBC are notorious for spinning conspiracy theories into their narratives to drum up drama. You've obviously fallen for that narrative like the lemming you portray yourself to be.

 

[MarcusRock]

So the announcers are the experts? NO, they are just talking heads and the ones at NBC are notorious for spinning conspiracy theories into their narratives to drum up drama

If you've followed this thread for the past few pages, announcers aren't the only ones to do this.

 

[JoeKing]

I disagree that Rodgers is a joy to watch. I dislike him more than any other player and yes it’s mostly jealousy. I hope his dog bites him and State Farm denies his next claim because he’s not smart enough to keep Mathews away from his stuff.

I also think we could’ve probably won that game with the Dez catch and definetly if Murray scores rather than fumbling away my dreams.

What if his GF Danica Patrick gives him cooties?

 

[DogFace]

You're not following. If people are saying that this A.R. 8.12 from 2014 was proof that you could complete the process of the catch while going to the ground in 2014 but the rules changed in 2015 to say you couldn't anymore to cover up that they ruled incorrectly on the Dez play and tried to apply 2015 rules retroactively, I just showed how the exact same A.R. 8.12 is in the 2015 Rule Book and Case Book meaning that you COULD still complete the process of the catch while going to the ground. That's why the A.R. is titled "Going to the Ground."

Does this make sense?

The 2015 casebook says the lunge was part of the catch process
The 2014 casebook says the lunge was NOT part of the catch process.