I do not see any difference between that play and the Dez play in 2014 *merged*

[KJJ]

It’s amazing to me how many continue to ignore that Dez was “going to the ground” requiring him to complete the process of the ball surviving the ground. It doesn’t matter that he had control of the football and that he changed hands with it while taking steps and reached for the endzone. The ball still had to survive the ground when it came in contact with it. There’s simply no way around it, it’s required to complete the process under the damn rule.

 

[blindzebra]

It’s amazing to me how many continue to ignore that Dez was “going to the ground” requiring him to complete the process of the ball surviving the ground. It doesn’t matter that he had control of the football and that he changed hands with it while taking steps and reached for the endzone. The ball still had to survive the ground when it came in contact with it. There’s simply no way around it, it’s required to complete the process under the damn rule.

No caseplay posted a dozen times says the process continues during going to the ground.

 

[blindzebra]

You’re a blindzebra what do you know? lol The damn video I posted appears to show the ball land in his right hand and bounce. His hand appeared to be under the ball. Nowhere in that video does it show the ball conclusively bouncing off the ground and not his hand.

http://i6.***BLOCKED***/albums/y245/blindzebra/cobb.jpg Ball is touching the ground Cobb's forearm is on the side of the ball, not under it. The ball was moving at this point in the video.

 

[MarcusRock]

It’s amazing to me how many continue to ignore that Dez was “going to the ground” requiring him to complete the process of the ball surviving the ground. It doesn’t matter that he had control of the football and that he changed hands with it while taking steps and reached for the endzone. The ball still had to survive the ground when it came in contact with it. There’s simply no way around it, it’s required to complete the process under the damn rule.

Catch theorists have to ignore the going to the ground rule because it kills their argument dead on the spot. This entire thread has been about finding an "out" to exempt Dez from the going to the ground rule.

 

[nathanlt]

It’s amazing to me how many continue to ignore that Dez was “going to the ground” requiring him to complete the process of the ball surviving the ground. It doesn’t matter that he had control of the football and that he changed hands with it while taking steps and reached for the endzone. The ball still had to survive the ground when it came in contact with it. There’s simply no way around it, it’s required to complete the process under the damn rule.

If going to the ground mattered, Dez still caught it.

Step 1 of process: fall through the air.
Step 2 of process: touch the ground with any part of your body, feet, hands, etc.
Process complete.
End string.

Dez clearly controlled the ball through that process, aka the first step, which is the simplest way to interpret that "going to the ground" phrase. If they wanted that process to include more, the NFL should have described it as more IN WRITTEN LANGUAGE IN A RULEBOOK. They didn't, so it's not more complicated than that.

 

[KJJ]

If going to the ground mattered, Dez still caught it.

Step 1 of process: fall through the air.
Step 2 of process: touch the ground with any part of your body, feet, hands, etc.
Process complete.
End string.

Dez clearly controlled the ball through that process, aka the first step, which is the simplest way to interpret that "going to the ground" phrase. If they wanted that process to include more, the NFL should have described it as more IN WRITTEN LANGUAGE IN A RULEBOOK. They didn't, so it's not more complicated than that.

We been through all that in previous threads. I told you I’m not going to engage in the same arguments with the same posters from the previous threads.

 

[Big_D]

He crossed the goal line.

 

[KJJ]

Catch theorists have to ignore the going to the ground rule because it kills their argument dead on the spot. This entire thread has been about finding an "out" to exempt Dez from the going to the ground rule.

Ignoring facts are ways for everyone who didn’t agree with the call to continue arguing this topic. Some won’t even come to grips with the fact that Dez was as going to the ground. We’re into the 42nd page of an argument that’s into into its fourth year.

 

[KJJ]

No caseplay posted a dozen times says the process continues during going to the ground.

We’ve gone through this in previous threads. I’m going to engage in the same arguments with the same posters.

 

[KJJ]

http://i6.***BLOCKED***/albums/y245/blindzebra/cobb.jpg Ball is touching the ground Cobb's forearm is on the side of the ball, not under it. The ball was moving at this point in the video.

The ball can touch the ground provided a receivers hands are under the ball. The video replay I posted doesn’t conclusively show the ball moving on the ground because his hands are under the ball. Where his forearm is doesn’t matter because his hands are under the ball. This is why it was called a catch.

 

[blueblood70]

yes some similarities but IMO they either all were TDs Dez, James, Ertz..hell lets go all the way back to one of julio jones catch and the Megatron which started all this controversy and still haven't got it correct.. or all of them were not..thats the issue so much subjective eyes in different refs calling it different ways..

 

[blindzebra]

Ignoring facts are ways for everyone who didn’t agree with the call to continue arguing this topic. Some won’t even come to grips with the fact that Dez was as going to the ground. We’re into the 42nd page of an argument that’s into into its fourth year.

Only a complete idiot would continuing arguing that the catch process did not exist during going to the ground after reading the caseplay in affect during 2014.

I am done, no more arguing with fools.

 

[blindzebra]

The ball can touch the ground provided a receivers hands are under the ball. The video replay I posted doesn’t conclusively show the ball moving on the ground because his hands are under the ball. Where his forearm is doesn’t matter because his hands are under the ball. This is why it was called a catch.

This play is identical to Dez' play, both had a hand under the ball and in both cases the ball contacted the ground and moved. You can't have it both ways.

 

[KJJ]

Only a complete idiot would continuing arguing that the catch process did not exist during going to the ground after reading the caseplay in affect during 2014.

I am done, no more arguing with fools.

Only a complete idiot would keep arguing that Dez wasn’t going to the ground. Not everything is in the casebook. Not everything that involves judgment is going to be in it. The call has been officiated the same way it was when everyone first became aware of the rule in 2010 during the Calvin Johnson play. If a receiver is ruled going to the ground they must complete the process of maintaining possession through the contact of the ground. According to you the fools are everyone in the league who confirmed the call.

 

[nathanlt]

We’ve gone through this in previous threads. I’m going to engage in the same arguments with the same posters.

Well, at least you admit that you'll continue arguing it...

You probably wished you would have put "not" in that sentence.!!

Have a great weekend.

 

[KJJ]

This play is identical to Dez' play, both had a hand under the ball and in both cases the ball contacted the ground and moved. You can't have it both ways.

That comment shows how blind you really are. There isn’t anything identical about the Cobb play and Dez play. What a joke! Dez went up after the ball and Kolb went down after it. How is that identical? Dez clearly didn’t maintain possession after the ball contacted the ground. Dez’s hand was on the top side of the ball when he reached for the endzone which made it impossible for the bottom section of the ball not to come in contact with the turf. The blown up pictures I’ve posted have proven that. There wasn’t anything on the replay I posted of the Cobb play that clearly showed the ball touching the ground without Cobb’s hands being under the ball.

 

[blindzebra]

Only a complete idiot would keep arguing that Dez wasn’t going to the ground. Not everything is in the casebook. Not everything that involves judgment is going to be in it. The call has been officiated the same way it was when everyone first became aware of the rule in 2010 during the Calvin Johnson play. If a receiver is ruled going to the ground they must complete the process of maintaining possession through the contact of the ground. According to you the fools are everyone in the league who confirmed the call.

More proof that you don't have a clue about rules. Yes Dez was going to the ground, but in 2014 THAT DID NOT MATTER ONCE HE CHANGED THE BALL TO HIS LEFT HAND AND EXTENDED FOR THE GOALLINE BECAUSE THAT COMPLETED THE THREE PART PROCESS OF CONTROL, TWO FEET, AND AN ACT COMMON TO THE GAME. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CASEBOOK SAID AND ANYONE WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW TO READ AND INTERPRET A RULEBOOK GETS IT.

 

[KJJ]

Well, at least you admit that you'll continue arguing it...

You probably wished you would have put "not" in that sentence.!!

Have a great weekend.

I’m arguing with those I haven’t argued this topic with before. You keep coming around because you’re running out of people to argue with. I don’t wish anything other than this topic going away forever.

 

[nathanlt]

That comment shows how blind you really are. There isn’t anything identical about the Cobb play and Dez play. What a joke! Dez went up after the ball and Kolb went down after it. How is that identical? Dez clearly didn’t maintain possession after the ball contacted the ground. Dez’s hand was on the top side of the ball when he reached for the endzone which made it impossible for the bottom section of the ball not to come in contact with the turf. The blown up pictures I’ve posted have proven that. There wasn’t anything on the replay I posted of the Cobb play that clearly showed the ball touching the ground without Cobb’s hands being under the ball.

The CATCH had already occurred when the ball contacted the ground, per the rules. Whether by going to the ground, or by football moves. Don't care about the Cobb thing.

By rule, CATCH.

 

[blindzebra]

That comment shows how blind you really are. There isn’t anything identical about the Cobb play and Dez play. What a joke! Dez went up after the ball and Kolb went down after it. How is that identical? Dez clearly didn’t maintain possession after the ball contacted the ground. Dez’s hand was on the top side of the ball when he reached for the endzone which made it impossible for the bottom section of the ball not to come in contact with the turf. The blown up pictures I’ve posted have proven that. There wasn’t anything on the replay I posted of the Cobb play that clearly showed the ball touching the ground without Cobb’s hands being under the ball.

Are you really this dense?
What part of both had a hand on the ball, both balls hit the ground, and both balls moved after they hit the ground can't you understand?