I Dont Want BP Fired I Just Want Him To

[LittleBoyBlue]

It is clear now that BP will leave us with a good foundation for defense and a few good offensive players... but we will not win anything with him... maybe never win a playoff game with him - thats sad

 

[Hostile]

And you take what I say in the chatroom seriously?

And saying "we are playing like crap" and such when are, indeed, playing like crap, is justified.

That wasn't his point at all. You're advocating the "high road" and "keep the faith." Yet during the chats all you ever do is take the "low road" and talk doom and gloom.

 

[WoodysGirl]

That wasn't his point at all. You're advocating the "high road" and "keep the faith." Yet during the chats all you ever do is take the "low road" and talk doom and gloom.

Agreed. It's like I said in chat. They think the chat room is their local therapy counseling session for a manic-depressive. The problem is we're not therapists.

Plus no one should be subjected to a battle of Wolverine and HH in chat.

 

[wileedog]

I expect BP to win, but not at the cost of winning tomorrow.

I expect that when BP slides out of town that Dallas does not have to start rebuilding yet again, because he has loaded the team with patches such as Glenn, Johnson, Bledsoe, Ferguson and Rivera.

We have 39 players with less than 2 years experience on this team.

39.

Can we please stop the same old rhetoric?

 

[DandyDon]

Yes, I am not at all satisfied with BPs performance. Yes, I have been extremely critical of BP. Having said that I am not advocating the removal of BP. Having said that, there are few things I would like to out of BP.

Here is what I expect out of BP:

I expect the Cowboys to come prepared to each and every game.

I expect the Cowboys to play disciplined football.

I expect the Cowboys to play with some emotion every game.

I expect BP and assisstants to out coach the opposing coaches.

I expect BP and crew to make adjustments mid game when necessary.

I expect BP to win, but not at the cost of winning tomorrow.

I expect that when BP slides out of town that Dallas does not have to start rebuilding yet again, because he has loaded the team with patches such as Glenn, Johnson, Bledsoe, Ferguson and Rivera.

Last time I checked, up until this last game, they've been competitive in all the games they've played this year. If memory serves me correctly, that's what everyone's been asking for for several years - just to field a team that is competitive.

 

[gbrittain]

Last time I checked, up until this last game, they've been competitive in all the games they've played this year. If memory serves me correctly, that's what everyone's been asking for for several years - just to field a team that is competitive.

I promise you most people including myself are aiming for higher than being "competitive".

Look, I did not expect a Superbowl this year. As a matter of fact when it comes to their record they are slightly better than what I thought they would be.

However, if you have watched the Cowboys play and you are satisfied with it then I think you are too easily satisfied.

 

[wileedog]

Look, I did not expect a Superbowl this year. As a matter of fact when it comes to their record they are slightly better than what I thought they would be.

However, if you have watched the Cowboys play and you are satisfied with it then I think you are too easily satisfied.

So they are better than you thought they'd be, but you are not satisfied with how good they are.

That sounds reasonable.

 

[gbrittain]

We have 39 players with less than 2 years experience on this team.

39.

Can we please stop the same old rhetoric?

That is great. The most important cog of a team is the QB and BP refuses to build in us in that position for the future. EVen if you like or dislike Bledsoe, you would be foolish to believe that he is going to be the QB years down the road.

He went into free agency and his biggest pick ups were Rivera, Ferguson, and Bledsoe. Rivera is breaking down and did not have many more years remaining as it was.

Ferguson is 32/33 years old I believe and he will not be with the Cowboys three years down the road and ditto for Bledsoe.

We also have two starting WRs who will not be around 3 years down the road.

I am not against aging veterans, but I think seeking them out in Freeagency and throwing big money at them could back to haunt us.

 

[wileedog]

That is great. The most important cog of a team is the QB and BP refuses to build in us in that position for the future. EVen if you like or dislike Bledsoe, you would be foolish to believe that he is going to be the QB years down the road.

Who did you want that Bill didn't draft or sign?

We have Henson still waiting in the wings, who has at least a good a chance at anyone we will draft in the 18-20 range in the first round. Just because Bill hasn't thrown away a season yet sticking him out there doesn't mean he is not committed to fixing the QB problem.

Also, BP was handcuffed with Quincy his first two offseasons thanks to Jerry.

He went into free agency and his biggest pick ups were Rivera, Ferguson, and Bledsoe. Rivera is breaking down and did not have many more years remaining as it was.

Convenient you forgot Henry.

Rivera I will grant you was a mistake. I've said all along that Bill's biggest failure to date has been 3 years without fixing the offensive line.

Ferguson has been fine. He's doing what he's supposed to do.

AS for Bledsoe, again, who did you want that Bill should have signed? Kurt Warner? Kerry Collins? Same garbage, different package.

Ferguson is 32/33 years old I believe and he will not be with the Cowboys three years down the road and ditto for Bledsoe.

So what? That means we have two or three years to find/groom their replacements.

That's the way the NFL works.

We also have two starting WRs who will not be around 3 years down the road.

Golly your right. We'll never be able to find another WR by then.

And BTW we have a stud TE who will be here for years, and Crayton is looking like he will be a fine #2. Oops, selective memory kicking in again.

I am not against aging veterans, but I think seeking them out in Freeagency and throwing big money at them could back to haunt us.

We are well below the cap and in very good shape in the coming years. Nobody we signed this offseason will cripple us going forward, and the only one who is looking like truly dead money is Rivera. Ferguson is productive enough, Drew is signed downright cheap, Henry has been worth every penny when he was healthy.

Bill got reamed last year for NOT spending FA money and going 'cheap' with Wiley. This year he's ruining the team spending too much?

 

[DipChit]

Yes, I am not at all satisfied with BPs performance. Yes, I have been extremely critical of BP. Having said that I am not advocating the removal of BP. Having said that, there are few things I would like to out of BP.

Here is what I expect out of BP:

I expect the Cowboys to come prepared to each and every game.

I expect the Cowboys to play disciplined football.

I expect the Cowboys to play with some emotion every game.

I expect BP and assisstants to out coach the opposing coaches.

I expect BP and crew to make adjustments mid game when necessary.

I expect BP to win, but not at the cost of winning tomorrow.

Yeah and theres 31 other teams who have the exact same expectations for their coach. Yet about half of em wont even win as many games as we've already won. In many cases with coaches that have had a lot more time to get it done.

I bet you just copied that out of the handbook they give new NFL owners. It's in that section called "What to look for when hiring a HC".

 

[gbrittain]

Who did you want that Bill didn't draft or sign?

We have Henson still waiting in the wings, who has at least a good a chance at anyone we will draft in the 18-20 range in the first round. Just because Bill hasn't thrown away a season yet sticking him out there doesn't mean he is not committed to fixing the QB problem.

Also, BP was handcuffed with Quincy his first two offseasons thanks to Jerry.


Convenient you forgot Henry.

Rivera I will grant you was a mistake. I've said all along that Bill's biggest failure to date has been 3 years without fixing the offensive line.

Ferguson has been fine. He's doing what he's supposed to do.

AS for Bledsoe, again, who did you want that Bill should have signed? Kurt Warner? Kerry Collins? Same garbage, different package.


So what? That means we have two or three years to find/groom their replacements.

That's the way the NFL works.


Golly your right. We'll never be able to find another WR by then.

And BTW we have a stud TE who will be here for years. Oops, selective memory kicking in again.



We are well below the cap and in very good shape in the coming years. Nobody we signed this offseason will cripple us going forward, and the only one who is looking like truly dead money is Rivera. Ferguson is productive enough, Drew is signed downright cheap, Henry has been worth every penny when he was healthy.

Bill got reamed last year for NOT spending FA money and going 'cheap' with Wiley. This year he's ruining the team spending too much?

I have always like Henson and still do, however, I could be wrong but It would appear to me that BP does not. Also if he had any hope for his project QBs you would think they would get into a game. Two years and counting and no appearance of out back up QBs in a game (unless you count the 12 something passes Henson threw in a half against Chi.

I disagree BP was handcuffed by JJ. I dont buy it for a minute that if BP believed Quincy had no future that he would bow down to Jerry on that one. Sorry, dont buy it. Neither do you.

I did not "forget" Henry, but he is not exactly an old codger therefore I did not have a problem with him. Is that hard to understand?

River...yay we agree on something!

I would not say Ferguson has been fine. I would say he has been average at best. I think most would agree.

I am ok with Bledsoe playing now, no problem whatsoever. You have to realize like I do that he is nothing more than a stop gap solution. Back to square one. If BP does not develop the QB of the future where does that leave Dallas when BP and Bledsoe jet out of town?

As to my reading comprehension, this is not about what BP has done right, it is about what he has done wrong.

I like Ware, Canty, Witten, J Jones, Barber, Henry, Newman, James, maybe Spears (not sold on him yet) but he does have potential so no knock on him.

I never said he spent too much, if I said that please show me where.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Here is what I expect out of BP:

I expect the Cowboys to come prepared to each and every game.

Every team has one dog game a year. The Patriots were a Superbowl winnig caliber team last year, widely held as the best coached team in the NFL, and threw a dog game against Pittsburgh where they were completely blown out by the 1st quarter. They also lost to the lowly Miami Dolphins, one of the worst teams in football, on a MNF game in December with homefield advantage on the line. Did Belichik just not bother to prepare his team that week? Hardly.

I expect the Cowboys to play disciplined football.

The Cowboys have been one of, if not THE, lowest penalized teams in the NFL all year.

I expect the Cowboys to play with some emotion every game.

Other than Washington, what games have they not played with emotion?

I expect BP and assisstants to out coach the opposing coaches.

See the above example of New England against Pittsburgh. Add in the New England vs. Miami on Monday Night football.

I expect BP and crew to make adjustments mid game when necessary.

Ah yes, the ole "make adjustments". A tried and true fan whine favorite.

I expect that when BP slides out of town that Dallas does not have to start rebuilding yet again, because he has loaded the team with patches such as Glenn, Johnson, Bledsoe, Ferguson and Rivera.

Out of all your rants, this one sounds the MOST like petty whining. To claim Parcells is not playing young players is absolutely and completely absurd. How many rookies did we break camp with this year? How many rookies and 2nd year players are getting heavy playing time. Please point me to one single teams that doesn't have numerous starters over 30. Just one.

Once again, in the offseason fans love to portray themselves as cautious, non-homers as they go with guardedly optimistic predictions of 9-7 and 10-6 to give the appearance that they are not the typical "rose colored glasses" fans. Then they proceed to completely freak completely the F out when their guarded predictions come to fruition, making them to look even more absurd than than the homers they tried to seperate themselves from in the firstplace.

NOTE: If this is just the rantings of a Henson fanatic, please disregard all of above, because it contains some rationality ... likely a foreign language and completely out of place in such case.

 

[gbrittain]

Yeah and theres 31 other teams who have the exact same expectations for their coach. Yet about half of em wont even win as many games as we've already won. In many cases with coaches that have had a lot more time to get it done.

I bet you just copied that out of the handbook they give new NFL owners. It's in that section called "What to look for when hiring a HC".

Since you winked at me I wont get upset.

Everything you said is true, but isn't this BP. Dont you expect more out of him than say Campo? I used Campo for illustration purposes only...please no over reactions.

 

[wileedog]

I have always like Henson and still do, however, I could be wrong but It would appear to me that BP does not.

Because he has not gotten much PT does not mean Bill hates him.

Bill didn't like Hutch and he was gone before you could say "Whoa dude".

Bill doesn't carry people on roster spots that he sees no future in.

I disagree BP was handcuffed by JJ. I dont buy it for a minute that if BP believed Quincy had no future that he would bow down to Jerry on that one. Sorry, dont buy it. Neither do you.

Bill flat out stated that when he was negotiating with Jerry to come on board part of the deal was that Jerry asked him to evaluate the QBs he had.

Bill has also stated that this job so far has been his hardest because he normally has his QB in place by now.

Add 2+2.

I did not "forget" Henry, but he is not exactly an old codger therefore I did not have a problem with him. Is that hard to understand?

You said the "biggest FA signings" were Rivera, Ferguson and Drew. Henry got more money than all of them. Hence my reply.

River...yay we agree on something!

When you talk sense, I'll agree with ya...

I would not say Ferguson has been fine. I would say he has been average at best. I think most would agree.

If you're playing fantasy football, sure.

In reality he has done his job.

I am ok with Bledsoe playing now, no problem whatsoever. You have to realize like I do that he is nothing more than a stop gap solution. Back to square one. If BP does not develop the QB of the future where does that leave Dallas when BP and Bledsoe jet out of town?

Again, back to Henson.

He was signed to an extremely cap friendly 7 year deal for a reason - because Bill and Jerry knew he would need a lot of time before he got back on a football field.

Parcells left the Jets with Chad Pennington even though he never played a down while Bill was there. Could be a similar scenario here.

I never said he spent too much, if I said that please show me where.

You said big money contracts will come back to haunt us.

So far there is only one that falls into that category, and we both even agreed on it. However we are in decent shape cap-wise, and can absorb a mistake like Rivera without too much problem.

And when you can provide drafts like the last one the Bill did, it stretches your cap dollars a long, long way.

 

[gbrittain]

Here is what I expect out of BP:


Every team has one dog game a year. The Patriots were a Superbowl winnig caliber team last year, widely held as the best coached team in the NFL, and threw a dog game against Pittsburgh where they were completely blown out by the 1st quarter.


The Cowboys have been one of, if not THE, lowest penalized teams in the NFL all year.


Other than Washington, what games have they not played with emotion?


See the above example of New England against Pittsburgh. Add in the New England vs. Miami on Monday Night football.


Ah yes, the ole "make adjustments". A tried and true fan whine favorite.




Out of all your rants, this one sounds the MOST like petty whining. To claim Parcells is not playing young players is absolutely and completely absurd. How many rookies did we break camp with this year? How many rookies and 2nd year players are getting heavy playing time. Please point me to one single teams that doesn't have numerous starters over 30. Just one.

Once again, in the offseason fans love to portray themselves as cautious, non-homers as they go with guardedly optimistic predictions of 9-7 and 10-6 to give the appearance that they are not the typical "rose colored glasses" fans. Then they proceed to completely freak completely the F out when their guarded predictions come to fruition, making them to look even more absurd than than the homers they tried to seperate themselves from in the firstplace.

NOTE: If this is just the rantings of a Henson fanatic, please disregard all of above, because it contains some rationality ... likely a foreign language and completely out of place in such case.

Nope, I am not Henson fanatic. I would have like to see him play last year, but hopefully that does not make me a fanatic.

I will not address the rest of your ramblings until you point out to me where I said BP refuses to play young guys. Never said it or implied it. I specifically mentioned BP refusal to develop or play young QBs, but that is it.

 

[gbrittain]

Because he has not gotten much PT does not mean Bill hates him.

Bill didn't like Hutch and he was gone before you could say "Whoa dude".

Bill doesn't carry people on roster spots that he sees no future in.


Bill flat out stated that when he was negotiating with Jerry to come on board part of the deal was that Jerry asked him to evaluate the QBs he had.

Bill has also stated that this job so far has been his hardest because he normally has his QB in place by now.

Add 2+2.


You said the "biggest FA signings" were Rivera, Ferguson and Drew. Henry got more money than all of them. Hence my reply.


When you talk sense, I'll agree with ya...


If you're playing fantasy football, sure.

In reality he has done his job.


Again, back to Henson.

He was signed to an extremely cap friendly 7 year deal for a reason - because Bill and Jerry knew he would need a lot of time before he got back on a football field.

Parcells left the Jets with Chad Pennington even though he never played a down while Bill was there. Could be a similar scenario here.



You said big money contracts will come back to haunt us.

So far there is only one that falls into that category, and we both even agreed on it. However we are in decent shape cap-wise, and can absorb a mistake like Rivera without too much problem.

And when you can provide drafts like the last one the Bill did, it stretches your cap dollars a long, long way.

The proof will be in the pudding on this one. Of course I hope I eat some serious crow and one day I am on this forum a few years down the road and say to you "Man, I cant believe I ever doubted BP".

Right now in my amateur opinion of football, I think we will be looking at a team three years down the road that has not won a Superbowl, will not have Rivera, Ferguson or Bledsoe on it (our prized FA this year minus Henry of course).

I also see a defense that is not done rebuilding, but at the same time we need 3-4 new OL, a QB, two WRs, and who knows maybe even a RB. I like Barber and Jones both, but they are hardly sure things at this point. At least we got a TE.

Like I said, I hope you are the correct one sir.

 

[wileedog]

Like I said, I hope you are the correct one sir.

Beers are one me if I am.... :beer2:

 

[Cbz40]

Beers are one me if I am.... :beer2:

No!!!! The beers will be on me........:beer2:

 

[gbrittain]

Beers are one me if I am.... :beer2: