I feel sorry for Quincy, he never really had a chance

[DallasCowpoke111]

I'm not saying that race kept him from being the starter, I'm just saying that it helped contribute to some fans in Texas from accepting him.

Last I checked, not one single fan in NFL history has ever scouted, drafted, negotiated contract with, traded-for or cut a single player on any team.

However fans did or did not accept Quincy Carter, has absolutely zilch to do with his skin color, and everything to do with the fact that he's a mediocre player, with questionable talent, and unquestionably weak constitution when it comes to avoiding vices.

 

[Doomsday101]

You guys can duck your head in the sand and act like race doesn't matter but in a state like Texas, Quincy had a hard time winning over fans because he was a black quarterback. I'm not saying it was one of the big reasons, but it was there. And I know plenty of people in Texas who had a hard time accepting him because of his race.

BS guy you have no fricken clue as to what you are talking about, as a Texan I resent the fact that you would make such a claim. I don't doubt that some people look at others based strictly on race but that is not just here in Texas it happen all over the nation but to lump us Texans into 1 group is an insult. I live in Houston where we have had a 2 term black mayor please tell me how he won if we were such racists here in Texas. Carter had 2 problems 1 he was not a good QB and 2 he evidently failed a drug test. To act like this is a race issue is plain stupid

 

[Rocco]

I just dont Carter was treated any worse than the guys in past, and some of those guys actually had skins on the wall.

Well put. At the end of Aikman's tenure, folks were begging for Cunningham to start instead of him. Just food for thought..

 

[Juke99]

Uhm, I'd LOVE to really never have a chance like Carter did.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Which other part of the nation are they dragging black men behind pickups from?

Which other state has a town like Vidor?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Well put. At the end of Aikman's tenure, folks were begging for Cunningham to start instead of him. Just food for thought..

Yep, I attended alot of those games. They would boo him relentlessly.

We have not gotten into how The Coaches and Owners have been treated in Dallas.

Did race play some part, with regards to fan loyalty, yep, again I have seen it with my own eyes, but I dont think it was a huge deal.

- Mike G.

 

[Doomsday101]

Last thing Carter was not given a chance? what chance was Hutchinson given? I can tell you a lot less that what Carter got, as far as booing yes some booed him because of his cruddy play but Troy Aikman was also booed

 

[Doomsday]

You guys can duck your head in the sand and act like race doesn't matter but in a state like Texas, Quincy had a hard time winning over fans because he was a black quarterback. I'm not saying it was one of the big reasons, but it was there. And I know plenty of people in Texas who had a hard time accepting him because of his race.

That is a load of crap! The reason Quincy had a hard time winning the fans over has nothing to do with the color of his skin and everything to do with the his inconsistency on the field. A white person can dislike a black person for reasons other then race you know! Many fans including myself felt like this team would never return to the Super Bowl as long as the QC experiment was going on. Maybe he can go to another team in a backup roll for a few years and develop into a good
QB, unfortunately for him and Dallas they didnt have that luxury. That is the nature of professional sports today.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

TruBlueCowboy, you make some good points.

I agree with your thoughts that Quincy Carter was never really given a chance. However, he was never really given a "Chance" with the fans and the media, but he was definately given a chance to prove himself on the field.

Remember, Bill Parcells could have cut Quincy Carter last year and nobody would have said anything. All the media out here in Dallas just assumed he would be released after the 2002 Season. Bill Parcells wiped his slate clean, opened up the Starting Quarterback Job for competition and Carter was given a chance to live up to that 2nd Round Draft pick back in 2001.

So with regards to chances, no the Media never game him a chance, but on the field, I strongly feel he was given every opportunity to be the Quarterback of the future. Remember, Jerry actually got rid of Tony Banks, mainly to start Carter and to prove he was right in picking Quincy Carter.

So on the field, he was given a chance.

As far as Racism, as a black man who has lived in Dallas my whole life, I have had this conversation with many folks.

I personally beleive that most people didnt like Carter because of his play on the field. I feel there was definately a segment of the Cowboy population that hated Carter because of his color, I know because I have debated them at the many games I have attended and at work. Dallas was known for years as "The City of Hate" and is still trying to brush off that image (a good article was written a while back about this).

However, I fully beleive that if Steve Mcnair or Michael Vick and even Byron Leftwich were to come here, I honestly beleive most fans would be fully open to the idea and would welcome them with open arms.

I wrote an article about the fickle and sometimes violent relationship the Cowboys fans have had with their QBs. I just dont Carter was treated any worse than the guys in past, and some of those guys actually had skins on the wall.

Here is the article, JFY: FICKLE COWBOY FANS

- Mike G.

I agree that Quincy was given a chance, I just don't think he had a chance if that makes sense. LOL No team would have designated someone like Quincy Carter their future franchise QB. Even Tom Brady sat out his rookie year and was never really in the plans for New England until they discovered that this late round draft pick really knew how to run a football team. I blame it on Jerry Jones and his gambling nature. He pinpointed Quincy, a player who shouldn't have even been going past the 4th round, as the next Staubach-Aikman-White-Meredith when he shouldn't have been considered anything more than a backup.

As for the race, I agree that 99.9% of Texas fans would openly accept a talented quarterback if he was black. I just think in the case of someone like Quincy, an average quarterback, the race plays a factor with his fan acceptance. Look at Hutchinson and all the hype he had from fans when Quincy played better than him last year. I think race is an underlying issue for some Texans, but I agree that with the majority of fans, it's skill that matters first and foremost.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Which other part of the nation are they dragging black men behind pickups from?

Which other state has a town like Vidor?

Is that sign still up in Vidor the proudly proclaims the town is all-white? They probably took it down after incident you're referring to. East Texas is a whole different world than Dallas and Houston.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree that Quincy was given a chance, I just don't think he had a chance if that makes sense. LOL No team would have designated someone like Quincy Carter their future franchise QB. Even Tom Brady sat out his rookie year and was never really in the plans for New England until they discovered that this late round draft pick really knew how to run a football team. I blame it on Jerry Jones and his gambling nature. He pinpointed Quincy, a player who shouldn't have even been going past the 4th round, as the next Staubach-Aikman-White-Meredith when he shouldn't have been considered anything more than a backup.

As for the race, I agree that 99.9% of Texas fans would openly accept a talented quarterback if he was black. I just think in the case of someone like Quincy, an average quarterback, the race plays a factor with his fan acceptance. Look at Hutchinson and all the hype he had from fans when Quincy played better than him last year. I think race is an underlying issue for some Texans, but I agree that with the majority of fans, it's skill that matters first and foremost.

Yes, even though Quincy was a grown man and made his own decisions, I think Jerry should be at fault a little, but not much.

I really think Jerry Jones was so eager to prove the media wrong about Carter that he put Carter in the bad spot. I really feel like his relapse was probably due to pressure.

I posted this last night on Cowboysguide.com:

Just a couple of quick hits from TXCN:

Close friend of Quincy Carter who did not want to be mentioned by name confirmed that Quincy indeed had a relapse (specific drugs were not mentioned).

Close source (different source) says that Jerry Jones actually did some background checking on Quincy Carter's drug use before he drafted him and decided it wasnt a big deal.

This was said by Brady Tinker on Sports Talk on channel TXCN. So there is substantial evidence that Quincy's probably may have been known, but maybe Jerry felt he could get him some help and also make himself look good .

Dont forget, Hutch was a victim of this too. He as well as Carter were just sitting ducks. No player is ever going to say they dont want to play even though they may not be ready.

Also, yes, again race definately played a part in it with regards to fan support, but I dont think that was the mainstream thinking. Hutch and even Henson were accepted with open arms, but I think most just saw it as hope for the future, but I know some saw it as a race issue. I had one guy tell me that at one of the games I went too in 2002.

- Mike G.

 

[Mike 1967]

TruBlueCowboy, you make some good points.

I agree with your thoughts that Quincy Carter was never really given a chance. However, he was never really given a "Chance" with the fans and the media, but he was definately given a chance to prove himself on the field.

Remember, Bill Parcells could have cut Quincy Carter last year and nobody would have said anything. All the media out here in Dallas just assumed he would be released after the 2002 Season. Bill Parcells wiped his slate clean, opened up the Starting Quarterback Job for competition and Carter was given a chance to live up to that 2nd Round Draft pick back in 2001.

So with regards to chances, no the Media never game him a chance, but on the field, I strongly feel he was given every opportunity to be the Quarterback of the future. Remember, Jerry actually got rid of Tony Banks, mainly to start Carter and to prove he was right in picking Quincy Carter.

So on the field, he was given a chance.

As far as Racism, as a black man who has lived in Dallas my whole life, I have had this conversation with many folks.

I personally beleive that most people didnt like Carter because of his play on the field. I feel there was definately a segment of the Cowboy population that hated Carter because of his color, I know because I have debated them at the many games I have attended and at work. Dallas was known for years as "The City of Hate" and is still trying to brush off that image (a good article was written a while back about this).

However, I fully beleive that if Steve Mcnair or Michael Vick and even Byron Leftwich were to come here, I honestly beleive most fans would be fully open to the idea and would welcome them with open arms.

I wrote an article about the fickle and sometimes violent relationship the Cowboys fans have had with their QBs. I just dont Carter was treated any worse than the guys in past, and some of those guys actually had skins on the wall.

Here is the article, JFY: FICKLE COWBOY FANS

- Mike G.

I agree completely

To say that there is zero racism is as ludicrous as saying that it is all because of racism

 

[notherbob]

I thought racism against QC played a very minor role. Rodney Peete was well respected and did an excellent job filling in when he was called on there was no racial disrespect against him. Randall Cunningham was also widely respected and supported and there was no racial backlash against him, either. Quincy's personality and play were not up the standards set by these prior players and that was the main cause of most people's dissatisfaction with QC. I did notice; however, that many of his supporters claimed racism to be the real reason and I simply don't buy it.

Q was the first QB I have ever seen in the NFL who couldn't take a snap or put a spiral on a ball when he arrived - and his accracy was terrible. Strangely, after he had been under Wade Wilson's coaching for a few months, he still couldn't take a snap or throw a spiral. What's with that??? I thought WW was supposed to be a good QB coach - why didn't he catch those obvious flaws? QC improved every year, no doubt, but he still had a long way to go, in my opinion. I'll take Rodney or Randall any day, or Vick, Mc Nabb or any of a half dozen black QBs in the game today, including Anthony Wright. I just don't want Quincy and it has nothing to do with his color.

 

[TNCowboy]

TruBlueCowboy, you make some good points.

I agree with your thoughts that Quincy Carter was never really given a chance. However, he was never really given a "Chance" with the fans and the media, but he was definately given a chance to prove himself on the field.

Remember, Bill Parcells could have cut Quincy Carter last year and nobody would have said anything. All the media out here in Dallas just assumed he would be released after the 2002 Season. Bill Parcells wiped his slate clean, opened up the Starting Quarterback Job for competition and Carter was given a chance to live up to that 2nd Round Draft pick back in 2001.

So with regards to chances, no the Media never game him a chance, but on the field, I strongly feel he was given every opportunity to be the Quarterback of the future. Remember, Jerry actually got rid of Tony Banks, mainly to start Carter and to prove he was right in picking Quincy Carter.

So on the field, he was given a chance.

As far as Racism, as a black man who has lived in Dallas my whole life, I have had this conversation with many folks.

I personally beleive that most people didnt like Carter because of his play on the field. I feel there was definately a segment of the Cowboy population that hated Carter because of his color, I know because I have debated them at the many games I have attended and at work. Dallas was known for years as "The City of Hate" and is still trying to brush off that image (a good article was written a while back about this).

However, I fully beleive that if Steve Mcnair or Michael Vick and even Byron Leftwich were to come here, I honestly beleive most fans would be fully open to the idea and would welcome them with open arms.

I wrote an article about the fickle and sometimes violent relationship the Cowboys fans have had with their QBs. I just dont Carter was treated any worse than the guys in past, and some of those guys actually had skins on the wall.

Here is the article, JFY: FICKLE COWBOY FANS

- Mike G.

Excellent post. My problem with Carter was his play, his attitude, and the way Jerry Jones put him forth as the next big thing at the start.

For the majority of the so-called Q haters, I believe those were the main problems. I think that race was only an issue with a small group of people. That will always be there, whether the team is Dallas, NY, or wherever. Race didn't seem to be an issue when most fans were calling for Randal Cunningham to replace Aikman in 2000 (or Anthony Wright to play instead of Carter in '01).

I remember a pre-season Monday night game against the raiders in Q's rookie season (in Mexico, I think) and Q looked ok. After that game, I thought (in spite of him being a UGA QB and JJ's crown prince) that I should give him a chance. The turning point for me was the Houston opener in '02. Not only did he play one of the most miserable games I've ever seen, he then refused to accept any of the responsiblity for the debacle. The final straw was after the Arizona disaster a few months later when he said things like "all the great ones have this" and "I'm just gonna keep on gunslingin' ", and "I'm a gunslinger," after throwing 4 interceptions.

It was his "the job is mine", "there is no competition" and "I'm the leader of this team" attitude (he actually said last season before the 2nd philly game that he was the "leader" and that Anderson, Galloway, etc. were his "good followers") and arrogance that fueled my disdain for him as much as his poor play. He had the demeanor of an ignorant, cocky rookie WR or DB instead of a veteran QB. I don't recall any of the other "great ones" having to make any such self-proclamations - or any other QB at all- now that I think about it. Confidence is one thing; Q thought he was due a respect from his teammates that he'd done little to earn. In the end he proved what little respect he had been accorded wasn't deserved.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Excellent post. My problem with Carter was his play, his attitude, and the way Jerry Jones put him forth as the next big thing at the start.

For the majority of the so-called Q haters, I believe those were the main problems. I think that race was only an issue with a small group of people. That will always be there, whether the team is Dallas, NY, or wherever. Race didn't seem to be an issue when most fans were calling for Randal Cunningham to replace Aikman in 2000 (or Anthony Wright to play instead of Carter in '01).

I remember a pre-season Monday night game against the raiders in Q's rookie season (in Mexico, I think) and Q looked ok. After that game, I thought (in spite of him being a UGA QB and JJ's crown prince) that I should give him a chance. The turning point for me was the Houston opener in '02. Not only did he play one of the most miserable games I've ever seen, he then refused to accept any of the responsiblity for the debacle. The final straw was after the Arizona disaster a few months later when he said things like "all the great ones have this" and "I'm just gonna keep on gunslingin' ", and "I'm a gunslinger," after throwing 4 interceptions.

I can agree with those parts of your post...I remember listening to that game via the net (the raiders pre-season game) and the guys calling the game were local raiders so it was a slanted broadcast...but on a few occasions they were calling QC..."Un-Sackable"...they were astounded by his ability to allude the rush and make some things happen.

Then like you said...that Texans game and later down the road the tampa game....wow.

 

[Mike 1967]

Which other part of the nation are they dragging black men behind pickups from?

Which other state has a town like Vidor?

What other countries kill hundreds because they are Christian. What other country burned a Father and Son alive in thier car because they were Christian.

If you truly have an open mind and heart about racial hatred then you need to make sure that you don't lose sight of the forest because you have focused on 1 tree.

 

[Mike 1967]

Is that sign still up in Vidor the proudly proclaims the town is all-white? They probably took it down after incident you're referring to. East Texas is a whole different world than Dallas and Houston.

Dont forget to include Jaspar Texas. Also in east Texas

In 2002, a white man named Ken Tillery, hitched a ride in Jasper, Texas. He was given a lift by four black men who then murdered him to a deafening national silence. Like Byrd, Tillery was held hostage and beaten. Then he was run over and crushed to death. The copycat nature of the crime made it a natural news story. But there was none, save a modest account in the Houston Chronicle, to which nobody paid any attention.

But I realize that this one does not fit your bias.

 

[SALADIN]

What other countries kill hundreds because they are Christian. What other country burned a Father and Son alive in thier car because they were Christian.

If you truly have an open mind and heart about racial hatred then you need to make sure that you don't lose sight of the forest because you have focused on 1 tree.

America!

 

[SuspectCorner]

Not race again.

He wasn't the first black QB to start for Dallas. Cunningham and Wright both started in previous years, though not an entire season.

Carters biggest problem was that the Cowboys never brough in legitimate competition that had a chance to beat him out. It would not have taken much. If they had, he would have been on the bench two years ago and we would not be here now.

this statement is tripe. i've read far too many posts from "hutchinson-annointers-turned-henson-annointers" to have to listen to this. to hear you people i'd think christ-playing-football passed thru here at least annually. many of you have a mental picture of what the cowboy QB should look like. any QB who resembles this picture is quick to develop an undeserved "following". undeserved and in defiance of all logic. it begs the question of race. i'm not black but sometimes you idiots make me wish i could say i'm not white.

 

[Sarge]

I don't think so, man. Especially not in Dallas. Hell, where I grew up in south Dallas, I was the only white guy in my neighborhood. You think if Michael Vick was playing in Dallas he would have a hard time being accepted? Don't think so. That's why it's not a race thing, it's a performance thing..

Not only that - the Dallas Cowboys have fans throughout the world. Their fanbase isn't solely in TX.