I have a new take on beating Pats

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I thought it was all about hitting Brady and forcing him to mistakes. We did it early but as game wore on the more we went after Brady the more he burned us with quick releases. We were not getting to him.....

Key may be to flat out send 3-4 max and flood zones on him. Of course mix it up but if you can't get there blitzing sit back and make it difficult. He hot read us to death and put up a 50 spot.....
 

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our defense has a lot of work to do. i saw several players tripping and falling over each other on blitzes. we gotta get more organized and have better timing on our blitzes
 

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That might have worked on Sunday, but doing that against Maroney is begging for some serious problems.
 

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Nors;1713051 said:
I thought it was all about hitting Brady and forcing him to mistakes. We did it early but as game wore on the more we went after Brady the more he burned us with quick releases. We were not getting to him.....

Key may be to flat out send 3-4 max and flood zones on him. Of course mix it up but if you can't get there blitzing sit back and make it difficult. He hot read us to death and put up a 50 spot.....

Didn't you hear ? Wade's gameplan was to stop Sammy Morris and force Brady to pass.

"Phillips acknowledged at his Monday news conference that the Cowboys' approach was to stop Sammy Morris and make Tom Brady beat them.

Let me repeat that.

The Cowboys' approach was to stop Sammy Morris and make Tom Brady beat them.

"You've got to stop the run," Phillips said. "You want to make them pass it, and then you've got to get turnovers and get pressure.

"We ran into a similar deal last year with Brady."

Yes, they did. A year ago, Phillips was defensive coordinator of the best team in football, at least by regular-season accounts. You couldn't tell it from the playoffs, because the San Diego Chargers got beat at home in the first round by the Patriots.

With better talent than the Cowboys, the Chargers intercepted Brady three times. But they let him throw for 280 yards and two touchdowns, and that was when his go-to receivers were Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney.

Now he's got Randy Moss, Donté Stallworth and Wes Welker, and he's on pace to obliterate Peyton Manning's season touchdown record and all kinds of yardage records. And Phillips wanted to stop Sammy Morris?

In other words, he's walking Julio Lugo and Coco Crisp to get to Big Papi and Manny.
He's daring middleweight Kelly Pavlik to outslug him.

He's double-teaming Smush Parker and saying, "Go ahead. Try to beat me with Kobe."
I gave Phillips a chance to say he would approach it differently if the teams were to meet again, which, obviously, would have to be in Glendale, Ariz., for the Super Bowl.

He said no.

"I think you've got to [stop the run first] to win. I think you've got to force them into passing situations and go after them," he said.

Wow.

This is kind of disturbing for Cowboys fans.

I think this team can still do impressive things, such as finally win a playoff game. I think it's capable of getting to a Super Bowl, although that's a long, long way from being a sure thing.

And I think Phillips was the right hire for Jerry Jones to make. This defense is more creative than the one Bill Parcells kept under wraps last season.

But the great coaches are the ones who are willing to adapt their philosophy.

The great coaches do what Bill Belichick did as the Giants' defensive coordinator in 1990.

He felt like in order to slow down Buffalo's no-huddle spread offense (not that much different from what the Patriots do now), he needed to let Thurman Thomas run to keep Jim Kelly from killing them with the pass.

As the late David Halberstam wrote in The Education of a Coach, stopping the run was what Giants football was all about.

Now [Belichick] was saying he wanted to change that for the Super Bowl. "You guys have to believe me," he kept saying. "If Thomas runs for a hundred yards, we win this game."
 

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Man if Phillips was actually more worried about Sammy Morris than Brady and co., he isn't nearly as smart as I thought.
 

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Oh_Canada;1713088 said:
Man if Phillips was actually more worried about Sammy Morris than Brady and co., he isn't nearly as smart as I thought.

That is alarming to me. That is right out of the Campo playbook.
 

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Forget about the Pats for now.

We've got the Vikings. We NEED this win, because coming out of the bye we have 3 divisional games.

If we go 6-1 into the bye, IMO we NEED to win the divisional games. It's time to measure ourselves against the rest of our division. Beating the Eagles, Giants, and Commanders would help us establish supremacy over the rest of the NFC East (while putting us up atleast 2 games on each of these teams), while also leaving us in the driver's seat of the NFC at 9-1.

It is very important that we win these games. Forget about the patriots game for now.
 

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I'm not sure. The only time when it looked like our defense might have a shot is when we were getting pressure. I just don't think you can let a QB of Brady's level sit back and survey the field for long periods of time. You're asking for an even worse day than yesterday.

We just have to get stops on 3rd down. We have to have a 3rd corner who might actually have a shot against their 3rd wideout. I believe both will be helped with Henry coming back because Reeves is a whole hell of a lot better player than Nate Jones.
 

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Nors;1713051 said:
I thought it was all about hitting Brady and forcing him to mistakes. We did it early but as game wore on the more we went after Brady the more he burned us with quick releases. We were not getting to him.....

Key may be to flat out send 3-4 max and flood zones on him. Of course mix it up but if you can't get there blitzing sit back and make it difficult. He hot read us to death and put up a 50 spot.....


Umm Demarcus ware and terrance newman said in the first half we brought 5 guys almost every play and hit brady repeatedly, it didnt do anything to him.

In the second half he said they only rushed 4 because they were using every zone they had to try and stop him having easier throws. They countered in the second half by blocking with 6, then we had 4 rushing 6. Brady had all day and according to newman picked apart all of our zones and is as good as advertised.

The way to beat them, is simply to outscore them, hope for fumbles or tipped balls. We blitzed early yesterday and stayed back in the second half, they were both equal the disaster.
 

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I think we needed to short sheet his bed, put Icy Hot in his cup, and salt peter in his coffee.
 

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Nors;1713051 said:
I thought it was all about hitting Brady and forcing him to mistakes. We did it early but as game wore on the more we went after Brady the more he burned us with quick releases. We were not getting to him.....

Key may be to flat out send 3-4 max and flood zones on him. Of course mix it up but if you can't get there blitzing sit back and make it difficult. He hot read us to death and put up a 50 spot.....
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Put it down.
 

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Nors;1713051 said:
I thought it was all about hitting Brady and forcing him to mistakes. We did it early but as game wore on the more we went after Brady the more he burned us with quick releases. We were not getting to him.....

Key may be to flat out send 3-4 max and flood zones on him. Of course mix it up but if you can't get there blitzing sit back and make it difficult. He hot read us to death and put up a 50 spot.....
Funny. We did the former (blitz) on first and second downs and we stopped him, and we did the latter (drop back and play zone) on 3rd downs and he ate us alive.
 

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The giants beat the bills,and their high powered offense,because they held the ball for 40 minutes.Ball control will always slow down another team.
 

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The key is pressure. Laying back never works against top QBs and WRs. Pressure the QB and play tight on the WRs-none of this giving a cushion. Yes you will give up some big plays but you also have the shot at making some of your own. Laying back just means you give up plays without having a chance to make any.
 

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The key is pressure mixed with actual coverage downfield. On Moss' TD if Hamlin would of slid over like he was suppose to that would of been a sack or INT. That is just one example but the front 7 was getting in there quite a bit even when they didnt blitz, the problem was someone was running free in the secondary over and over.
 

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The biggest thing is getting Newman into the slot. If he covers Welker then it chanages the game dramatically.

Here is what I would do: Have Newman play the slot and keep the coverages the same as they were. Then if they are three wide you blitz the LB that is on Welker's side and drop the LB that is opposite of him into a deep zone. What you are hoping is that if Brady hit's Welker then either Newman defends the pass or if Welker catches it then the LB can put a hit on him. I think Welker is the weak link and I would try to get the ball in his hands as much as possible and hit him often since he is fumble prone.
 

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The inability to apply pressure to Brady by rushing 4 is the entire issue.
 

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Oh_Canada;1713088 said:
Man if Phillips was actually more worried about Sammy Morris than Brady and co., he isn't nearly as smart as I thought.

He was talking in general terms. He never said Sammy Morris was more important to stop than Brady. That's just Cowlishaw making a ridiculous leap so he can write a more inflammatory column.

And it's true, you can't let teams run on you. Everyone knows that.

We did stop their run and we knew they would pass. We just couldn't stop it. When their O-line and QB is that good, the only thing you can do is cover them, and our backup-backup corner wasn't good enough.
 

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Ozzu;1713094 said:
I'm not sure. The only time when it looked like our defense might have a shot is when we were getting pressure. I just don't think you can let a QB of Brady's level sit back and survey the field for long periods of time. You're asking for an even worse day than yesterday.

We just have to get stops on 3rd down. We have to have a 3rd corner who might actually have a shot against their 3rd wideout. I believe both will be helped with Henry coming back because Reeves is a whole hell of a lot better player than Nate Jones.

This was far more than Nate Jones, Our Safeties are terrible in coverage.

We were blitzing and not really getting to Brady. Precipe for disaster
 

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This defensive result is not a new phenomenon. Think back to last year and the Saints game, then the Eagles game on Christmas day. Then the Lions game. Our defense was/is almost unable to make a team with a good passing game, punt the football.

We all thought the new attacking schemes and Wade's Mr. Fix-it philosophy would help. The bottom line is it won't. Our defense is ok against the middle to lower echelon teams of the league, but it simply cannot consistently stop the good passing teams on 3rd down and force a punt.

Getting our full compliment of DBs back will certainly help but even when we have been full strength we haven't been able to shut teams down. I've seen this pitiful defense long enough. If it walks like a duck...
 
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