I Hope Barry Bonds Hits 756 Tonight

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ABQCOWBOY;1578963 said:
AT this rate, if Bonds hits 10 more dingers before the end of the season, he'll be lucky. The numbe Bonds posts is going to be like 765 or so. After this year, I think Bonds is done in San Francisco. They can't afford to keep him on the team. In the National, you have to play your position and Bonds really can't anymore. Nobody is going to trade for Bonds after he breaks the record because he's not well liked. I think he will probably retire after this year. I think KGJr. can catch him if he gets traded to the American and lands in a hitters park.
Bonds has indicated that he isn't finished, but like you said, I'm not sure what AL team would sign him, even for relatively cheap.

I don't know about Griffey, I'd like to see him break it but not sure if he'll play beyond 40, especially with his injury history. Last time he came close to playing the entire season was 2000 and since then he has been hampered by the injury, until this year.
 

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03EBZ06;1579150 said:
Bonds has indicated that he isn't finished, but like you said, I'm not sure what AL team would sign him, even for relatively cheap.

I don't know about Griffey, I'd like to see him break it but not sure if he'll play beyond 40, especially with his injury history. Last time he came close to playing the entire season was 2000 and since then he has been hampered by the injury, until this year.


I agree but if he's in the American League, I doubt you see all those same kinds of injuries. Center Field is very demanding and as talented a center fielder as he is, I can really see an American League DH prolonging his career. He still has the easy, natural swing and the ball still jumps of his bat. I hope he does break it.
 

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I could see Steinbrenner signing him to be a DH. It would be a match made in heaven. :laugh2:
 

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Yeagermeister;1579188 said:
I could see Steinbrenner signing him to be a DH. It would be a match made in heaven. :laugh2:

Well, he signed Griffey Sr. to play there. I could see that happening but to be honest, I'd rather see him go to a more friendly hitters ball park. I would like to see him have a real chance at breaking the record.
 

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Many make the assumption that neither Griffey, Jr. nor A-Rod do steroids. Why is that? Junior is much more powerful than his dad. Maybe it is due to steroids. He also has been hampered with injuries. I hear that can be a side effect of steroid use because the body is exceeding its capabilities and starts breaking down. Perhaps Griffey, Jr. is not as clean as assumed.

Sure I am just kidding. Well mostly kidding. We just don't truly know. Maybe it is a safe assumption, but I think in this era there is always room for doubt.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1579217 said:
Well, he signed Griffey Sr. to play there. I could see that happening but to be honest, I'd rather see him go to a more friendly hitters ball park. I would like to see him have a real chance at breaking the record.

Sorry I meant Bonds but I could see him going after Jr also. I don't think Jr could handle the NY press though.
 

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joseephuss;1579224 said:
Many make the assumption that neither Griffey, Jr. nor A-Rod do steroids. Why is that? Junior is much more powerful than his dad. Maybe it is due to steroids. He also has been hampered with injuries. I hear that can be a side effect of steroid use because the body is exceeding its capabilities and starts breaking down. Perhaps Griffey, Jr. is not as clean as assumed.

Sure I am just kidding. Well mostly kidding. We just don't truly know. Maybe it is a safe assumption, but I think in this era there is always room for doubt.

The thought had crossed my mind. His problem is he doesn't like to do conditioning in the offseason.
 

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joseephuss;1579224 said:
Many make the assumption that neither Griffey, Jr. nor A-Rod do steroids. Why is that? Junior is much more powerful than his dad. Maybe it is due to steroids. He also has been hampered with injuries. I hear that can be a side effect of steroid use because the body is exceeding its capabilities and starts breaking down. Perhaps Griffey, Jr. is not as clean as assumed.

Sure I am just kidding. Well mostly kidding. We just don't truly know. Maybe it is a safe assumption, but I think in this era there is always room for doubt.

You do have a point, because we truly do not know who used and who didn't.

The difference with guys like Bonds, though, is we can see the changes physically. Yeah, people gain weight as they age, but what guys like Bond and McGwire did is extraordinary. I mean, Barry Bonds has gained over 60 pounds since his rookie year and his head is bigger than a bowling ball, and as one writer said, during the home run race in '98 how did we miss that Sammy Sosa had two jaws and McGwire was one can of green paint from being the Incredible Hulk?
 

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Yeagermeister;1579188 said:
I could see Steinbrenner signing him to be a DH. It would be a match made in heaven. :laugh2:
:ralph:

Griff is my favorite baseball position player of all time. That would be torture on me.

I think he should come back to Seattle and DH. Screw the record, I don't care. I just want him back.

Side note... no way he ever did steroids. I realize in the steroid era, anyone who hits HRs is under suspicion, but he's way to classy, and has too much respect for the game to do that.
 

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I am so tired of the nightly "chase" of the HR record.

Get it over with.


I couldn't disagree more... the longer this takes, the funnier it gets...

No...you want to see funny. Wait till he gets it and all the writers and talk show guys go bonkers about how tainted the record is or how they refuse to acknowledge Bonds holds the record.

I will be glad when he does. Baseball and Bud Selig deserve this. They let it happen, now deal with it...LOL
 

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peplaw06;1579292 said:
:ralph:

Griff is my favorite baseball position player of all time. That would be torture on me.

I think he should come back to Seattle and DH. Screw the record, I don't care. I just want him back.

Side note... no way he ever did steroids. I realize in the steroid era, anyone who hits HRs is under suspicion, but he's way to classy, and has too much respect for the game to do that.

I was talking about Bonds
 

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joseephuss;1579224 said:
Many make the assumption that neither Griffey, Jr. nor A-Rod do steroids. Why is that? Junior is much more powerful than his dad. Maybe it is due to steroids. He also has been hampered with injuries. I hear that can be a side effect of steroid use because the body is exceeding its capabilities and starts breaking down. Perhaps Griffey, Jr. is not as clean as assumed.

Sure I am just kidding. Well mostly kidding. We just don't truly know. Maybe it is a safe assumption, but I think in this era there is always room for doubt.


I would be very surprised if Jr. was on Steroids but around the 92/93 season, his HR production did increase rather dramatically.

He went from 27 HRs in 92 to 45 in 93. Now, that was about the time he started gaining strength or maturing into a mans strength, if you will. He turned 23 in the 93 season so it is conceivable that he just naturally got stronger but that is a pretty big jump. I guess the thing that disuades me on Jr. and steroids is how he hits his HRs. He doesn't crush them like Bonds or some of the others. It's his swing. It might be the most perfect swing in the majors. Either way, in the end, your right. You really don't know.
 

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There is visual evidence that Griffey took some sort of performance enhancing substance.

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There are 3 era's and 3 record holders:

In many regards Babe Ruth is the Greatest HR hitter ever. He was hitting more home runs in a season than some other teams. He dominated a dead ball era in a huge ballpark. Cons are he did not play against integrated african american and latin american players.

Hank Aaron - a point not often discussed was he spent his career in bandboxes. Heck- it was great weather in aplace they called "the launching pad" That skewed his numbers some. And he kinda validates Bonds late career. Read that Aaron hit more home runs 35-40 than any other 5 year span in his career...... Bonds only once hit greater than 50 home runs. Aaron was never the best player of his era. The 50's was Williams, Musial, Mantle and Willie Mays.

Bonds - 7 Time MVP and career gold glover. Over time the greatest player of past 25 years and that's almost not even debatable. He broke Aaron's record with what 3,000 less at bats. He has shattered all walk records and intentional walks. Heck he had a season with 220+- intentional walks.
And for majority of his career he played in Pitts and Candlestick which were Home run killer parks then.

Even at age 43 during this chase pitchers won't throw him strikes. And when they do he invariably blasts it out of park. He's going to get 800 dingers and 3,000 hits next season. He was part of a bad era in baseball and probably is wrapped up with the other 50-75% that enhaced their performance in that era. To me it mitigates the record, but to me I see one of the top 5 hitters that has ever played this game. That swing is sweet, and his plate discipline is amazing.

And attendance and ratings are at record heights. Bonds, McGuire, Sosa gave everyone what they wanted. Baseball is trying to wash their hands now. Fact is Bonds never failed any tests and hence never broke any enforceable rules.

Bitter Irony Mr. Selig I say.
 
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