I think its finally to the point. Give Jones/Choice more carries.

[CF74]

Running the ball 3 times as much with your third best RB at actually running the ball because he is slightly better at blocking is moronic.

And no, I don't think Barber is a particularly better receiver than Choice or Felix. Heck, Choice caught a 20 yard seam route this year, have you ever seen Barber catch anything other than a checkdown?

And if Choice is so bad at pass protection, why is he in there on many passing downs?

This theory that Barber is so much better than Choice and Felix at everything else besides running only surfaced when people desperately needed an excuse to why Garrett was being a stubborn moron about this. Even if Barber is, which I don't particularly agree with, its no reason to give him the lion share of the actual run plays.

Game-Set-Match

 

[AbeBeta]

Not so much. I saw Barber get run over against Green Bay by a LB. More inportantly, Choice is the third down back. You don't put a RB who is not a good blocker in as a 3rd down back in our scheme.

Choice is a decent blocker -- but he's not as good as Barber at it. Barber isn't the 3rd down back because we need to get Barber off the field some. That has nothing to do with Choice being even close to Barber as a blocker.

Not better than Choice. Choice has made downfield catches on seam routes. Barber has ALWAYS caught check down dump-offs. As someone else said, Choice's YAC is superior to Barber's as well.

Pleeze. Barber is a better receiver because he has the feel for the passing game with Romo that you need from a RB. We don't really need a RB who can run patterns -- being the guy who your QB can improv with is what we need and that is what MBIII brings. That play against Oak where he and Tony read the D and got a huge gain is a great example of why Barber is so valuable in the passing game.

And don't even argue YAC between guys who have fewer than 20 catches. That all can change with one play.

No, he's not. He's the slowest of the three, and doesn't have Choice's quickness, vision or burst. I would even argue Choice is the best between the tackles runner of the 3. Given the above, plus Choice's catching and blocking ability, he by far is the best all around back.

Yeah, Choice looked real fast getting run down from behind. Choice may be faster than Barber but Barber is the far better combo of speed and power. Choice doesn't have the top level speed or good power. TC is a good back but he's just not in Barber's class.

 

[wileedog]

Choice is a decent blocker -- but he's not as good as Barber at it.

According to who? And again, why does that in any way shape or form justify Barber getting 80 more carries than Choice when he is averaging a full yard per attempt less?

Barber isn't the 3rd down back because we need to get Barber off the field some.

So we should put the supposedly inferior blocking back on the field when he is most likely to be needed to block or pick up a blitz. Makes perfect sense.

Pleeze. Barber is a better receiver because he has the feel for the passing game with Romo that you need from a RB. We don't really need a RB who can run patterns -- being the guy who your QB can improv with is what we need and that is what MBIII brings. That play against Oak where he and Tony read the D and got a huge gain is a great example of why Barber is so valuable in the passing game.

This is just jibberish. "Feel for the passing game?" WTH are you talking about?

Choice has shown he is a polished receiver. You can make up stuff all you want about "improv" or whatever, but Choice has proven already he is a solid option for Romo.

Furthermore, which of the 3 backs would you rather see catch a pass in space with 1 LBer to beat between him and a big play? Give me Felix every time.

TC is a good back but he's just not in Barber's class.

You have a very overinflated opinion of Barber. Very.

 

[AbeBeta]

According to who? And again, why does that in any way shape or form justify Barber getting 80+ more carries than Choice when he is averaging a full yard per attempt less?

Choice is averaging a full yard more because of a single long run. One play doesn't earn you more PT.

So we should put the supposedly inferior blocking back on the field when he is most likely to be needed to block or pick up a blitz. Makes perfect sense.

That isn't what I said and you know it. Barber is the better blocker but Barber can't be on the field 100% of the time.

This is just jibberish. "Feel for the passing game?" WTH are you talking about?

Choice has shown he is a polished receiver. You can make up stuff all you want about "improv" or whatever, but Choice has proven already he is a solid option for Romo.

Barber has shown that he and Tony have a feel for each other -- they are very much on the same page. A ton of Tony's game is improv and MBIII works well with him when he improvises.

Furthermore, which of the 3 backs would you rather see catch a pass in space with 1 LBer to beat between him and a big play? Give me Felix every time.

Duh. But Felix still isn't a good receiver by any stretch - so your point it moot

You have a very overinflated opinion of Barber. Very.

No more over inflated than your opinion of TC. Lookit, I like Choice but he is simply not a #1 RB. Maybe MBIII isn't a #1 either but he's closer to a #1 than Choice is.

 

[AbeBeta]

Not so much. I saw Barber get run over against Green Bay by a LB.

So you judge a player's blocking by a single bad play?

That really tells me all I need to know about your skill in evaluating players.

 

[DallasEast]

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[wileedog]

Choice is averaging a full yard more because of a single long run. One play doesn't earn you more PT.

So that run didn't happen?

And how come World Class Barber playing in the same offense as Choice and Felix has only managed a longest run of 35 despite significantly more carries?

That isn't what I said and you know it. Barber is the better blocker but Barber can't be on the field 100% of the time.

If Barber is a significantly better blocker than Choice than he should be in on 3rd down when the change he will need to use those skills would be greatest. Choice should spell him on 1st downs when there is the least chance that his supposed lack of blocking skills will hurt the team. It's simple logic.

The fact that the coaches are perfectly comfortable marching Choice on 3rd down the majority of the time tells me they don't see a big difference between their skills. Risking Romo getting killed just so Barber is spelled on 3rd down instead of 1st down doesn't make any sense.

Barber has shown that he and Tony have a feel for each other -- they are very much on the same page. A ton of Tony's game is improv and MBIII works well with him when he improvises.

I can't debate made up criteria.

Duh. But Felix still isn't a good receiver by any stretch - so your point it moot

No its not, because despite Felix's lack of polish as a receiver I would still rather run that play or a screen with him than Barber. He has a better chance of catching it than Barber has of beating the LBer IMO.

No more over inflated than your opinion of TC. Lookit, I like Choice but he is simply not a #1 RB. Maybe MBIII isn't a #1 either but he's closer to a #1 than Choice is.

Neither of them are a true #1s IMO. They both are what they are - solid all around RBs picked up in the 4th round. Both are fundamentally sound and play hard. Both have good vision. Barber is more powerful, Choice more elusive and hits the hole faster IMO. Both lack a top gear.

That said, Choice is not favoring a quad as Barber clearly is right now, and he doesn't have 5 and half seasons of getting absolutely pounded already on his tires. Barber is lacking the explosion to get through the 2nd level right now, and IMO is leaving yards on the field that Choice or Felix would pick up.

To try and justify that with a marginal difference in blocking ability and phantom "getting it" about the passing game is just wrong IMO. Give the back who is most likely to get the most yards the ball. Right now the one least likely to get the most yards on a given play is getting it the most.

 

[odog422]

Choice is a decent blocker -- but he's not as good as Barber at it. Barber isn't the 3rd down back because we need to get Barber off the field some. That has nothing to do with Choice being even close to Barber as a blocker.

So on 3rd down, which you must convert to sustain drives, you put a lesser blocker in and sacrifice your quarterback. Wrong. If you have another option at RB, of which we have two, then you substitute them on first and second down to give Barber a rest, you don't risk getting your QB killed to rest a RB.

Pleeze. Barber is a better receiver because he has the feel for the passing game with Romo that you need from a RB. We don't really need a RB who can run patterns -- being the guy who your QB can improv with is what we need and that is what MBIII brings. That play against Oak where he and Tony read the D and got a huge gain is a great example of why Barber is so valuable in the passing game.

Riiight. Choice has done the same thing. Rule No. 1 for ANY receiver is if your QB is scrambling you flow with him, which Choice has done as well. So he can do what Barber does PLUS offers you a downfield option. You also conveniently ignore that it requires far more skill to catch a pass downfield than a 5-6 yard dumpoff.

And don't even argue YAC between guys who have fewer than 20 catches. That all can change with one play.

Yes, please ignore the stats when they don't backup your argument.

Yeah, Choice looked real fast getting run down from behind. Choice may be faster than Barber but Barber is the far better combo of speed and power. Choice doesn't have the top level speed or good power. TC is a good back but he's just not in Barber's class.

Sorry, I missed all Barber's runs where he outran the defense. Could you name just 1? Didn't think so. As for power, Barber is a power back. Even though he seems to think he can bounce everything which often is unsuccessful. Choice has plenty of power because he's primarily a between the tackles runner and you cannot do that if you don't have power. Running through arm tackles is a must to be successful. And he is. So, no, Barber is not the best combo of these traits.

 

[odog422]

So you judge a player's blocking by a single bad play?

That really tells me all I need to know about your skill in evaluating players.

No, it shows Barber is not the stone wall in blocking you make him out to be. That's all. I didn't say he was a bad blocker. It's an example to prove a point.

But your contention that the staff would sacrifice the QB to rest Barber tells me a lot about your understanding of the game. Or lack of it. More than likely it's just something you made up because you have no answer for the fact that Choice is the third down back.

 

[odog422]

Give the back who is most likely to get the most yards the ball. Right now the one least likely to get the most yards on a given play is getting it the most.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Zman5]

This offense has tendency to start out slow. I think having Felix or Choice start the game would help with that since they are more versatile and more explosive than Barber.

 

[alohawg]

Is it my imagination or doesn't Garrett put Felix in the game when we are desperate or approaching desperation? I think he does and that's very telling, he knows which back gives us the greatest chance of a big play. So why not use that guy most of the time, why wait until your desperate? Call me crazy but maybe if you start your biggest and best threat at RB you might find yourself in desperation a little less often. Establish control FIRST then you can pound them into submission and the defense can pin their ears back.
Jason is too smart for his own and the teams good I'm afraid.

 

[reddyuta]

This offense has tendency to start out slow. I think having Felix or Choice start the game would help with that since they are more versatile and more explosive than Barber.

i have been saying this for a while now.Its a little saddening to see mb3 run for 1 yard and garrett deciding to throw on the next 2 downs for a quick 3 and out.we cant start off slow in all these games and expect to keep coming back.

 

[alohawg]

i have been saying this for a while now.Its a little saddening to see mb3 run for 1 yard and garrett deciding to throw on the next 2 downs for a quick 3 and out.we cant start off slow in all these games and expect to keep coming back.

Same thing over and over expecting a different result is.....:bang2:

 

[jobberone]

Another give the ball more to Choice yada threads.

An early Christmas.

 

[DallasEast]

Another give the ball more to Choice yada threads.

An early Christmas.

Yep. If the (Choice) tidings of comfort and joy were to stop with this thread, this Christmas may well end up being one of the best ever (I'm stealing that one from Little Timmy Cratchit ).