I was just thinking about all the No. 1 picks we

[Woods]

have spent on our Defense over the past several years . . . .

Roy W.
T New
D. Ware
Carp
Spears
Ellis

Plus, big bucks in FA on Fergy and Henry. And I still think we may have to prioritize Defense this coming draft if Ellis can't make it all the back early enough in 2007.

Without one more pressure player opposite Ware, I think our Defense is going to have serious problems as offensive coordinators continue to figure us out. It seems that unless we blitz, we can't sufficient pressure on the QB. And when we do, our Secondary is exposed due to lack of quality at FS. (o.k., I'm pointing out the obvious.)

I'm really hoping we can pick up a pressure player in FA, but usually teams lock these guys away . . . . I know A. Thomas from the Ravens is available, but I wouldn't be surprised by the time FA rolls around that he's off the market.

Anyway, I think we'd go very early (Round 1?) in the Draft for a DE-type with moves and speed to play in the 3-4 (assuming we can't get one in FA) and then look for more OL and WR. While our starting WRs are getting up there in age, it just seems the inability to get to the QB is more of an immediate problem (and exposing our Secondary). We could even draft a WR and OL later on in Day 1 and develop him over the course of the next two years.

Thoughts?

 

[Aikbach]

The way the defense played Sunday there better be something done.

 

[Woods]

The way the defense played Sunday there better be something done.

I'm probably sounding like Zimmer now . . . . but here it goes,

JJ, can't you just spend some money and get me a solid FS and OLB, and I promise you the defense will dominate . . . .

 

[conner01]

i think some really under estimate what loosing ellis did for our pass rush.

 

[noshame]

If there's a good WR within reach, I think we need to go there first. Then OL.


With all the talent on this defense, this is a coaching /scheme issue, nothing else.

 

[conner01]

every team in the nfl is looking for guys to get to the qb. the problem is you gotta find one and they don't grow on trees. i don't know of a guy in rnd 1 of this draft you could say shows great skills at getting to the qb who could play olb

 

[Woods]

If there's a good WR within reach, I think we need to go there first. Then OL.


With all the talent on this defense, this is a coaching /scheme issue, nothing else.

Yhea, but none of these other guys except Ware seem to be able to get to the QB.

 

[Woods]

every team in the nfl is looking for guys to get to the qb. the problem is you gotta find one and they don't grow on trees. i don't know of a guy in rnd 1 of this draft you could say shows great skills at getting to the qb who could play olb

Any guys in the draft you're focusing on in the later rounds?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I thought we had a good young defense--but, now I wonder after watching the Saints come marching in

 

[noshame]

Between Canty and Ware we should be ripping some QB's, there's just no real excuse.

When your philosophy is bend but don't break, it permeates the entire squad.

Everybody who's anybody in the NFL thought this defense would rule this year, and well, it should be ruling. 11th is not ruling.

 

[Doomsday101]

I thought we had a good young defense--but, now I wonder after watching the Saints come marching in

Even the Great Doomsday Defenses had days like that. Before someone starts asking if I'm comparing this defense to some of the great defenses no I'm not but even great Defense have days like that.

 

[Chuck 54]

What about the offense?

All those first round picks on defense don't seem to be helping much unless it's the coaching or the scheme.

Do you realize that we don't have 1 single first round pick on the entire offense that we drafted? Terry Glenn...got him late in his career. Not one single first round pick on the starting offense other than Glenn that I can think of, and none that we drafted.

I personally want to see some draft picks used on the offense before all these old guys like Rivera, Owens, and Glenn start fading faster. You don't find top WR's on trees, and you don't build dominant OL's with guys other teams don't want.

We have a QB...it's time to build an offense for the future, imo.

ON defense, I think Watkins will step up and start at FS next year...the other positions should be strong enough if used correctly. Unless we leave the 3-4, it's unlikely we'll find interior linemen who can play this defense and rush the QB, and I sure don't want to spend another first round pick on a DE or NT or even LB at this point. I could live with drafting another CB, but I personally think we'd better start paying attention to the offense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sarts from SC is interesting at OLB. SC plays a 34 so he's a fit in that way. Crowder from Texas is also interesting. He can rush the passer and he has nice mobility. He's a DE but he will project to 34 OLB IMO.

There's a kid named Mkristo Bruce out of Washington St. that is very interesting to me. He checks in at 6-6, 260. Very good athlete coming out of HS. Track, Basketball and Football. Played RB and QB as well as LB. RS Sr., 3yrV at WSU. 2003, he recorded only 2 sacks but in 04 and 05, he came on.

04

TT 60, Solo 29, Asst 31. Not great in it's own but 12.5 tackles for loss and 6.5 Sacks.

05
TT 67, Solo 45, Asst 22. 15 tackles for loss and 10 Sacks.

This kid is interesting to me.

 

[Mash]

Its the same old excuses.....different flavour of the year....for a decade now...

We have no pass rush because.....

We dont have talent....

we dont have CB's....campo era....

we dont have a FS....

etc...etc....etc....


We drafted.....a boatload of quality picks on defense.....

we spend a boatload of money on FA pickups on defense...

still.........

still....

we have no pass rush

btw.....when is the last time.....we had a gameplan....that confused the offense?......

I cant stop thinking that we still dont put players in position to succeed....

JMHO

 

[Bull Frog]

It seems as though our needs for certain players will never end. There was the outcry that we are one pass rusher away from a great defense so we draft DeMarcus Ware. Now there is an outcry for “another pass rusher opposite Ware”.

There was “Dat is too small for the 3-4, Shanle stinks”. They are both gone and we have a solid player in Ayodele. There was the outcry for a good corner opposite Newman so we got Henry. Then we needed a third corner for the slot so we got Aaron Glenn. Then Glover must go because he’s not a 3-4 NT, so we got Ferguson. Then we need bigger DE’s so we got Spears and Canty and moved Ellis to LB. There has been an outcry for a FS which we have not found.

Other than FS, ALL of the players are in place. So we must assume all of these players are busts, they are stupid or they are poorly coached. Jerry bought the groceries that were on Bill’s list, the problem is nobody has the recipe to use them.

 

[Woods]

What about the offense?

All those first round picks on defense don't seem to be helping much unless it's the coaching or the scheme.

Do you realize that we don't have 1 single first round pick on the entire offense that we drafted? Terry Glenn...got him late in his career. Not one single first round pick on the starting offense other than Glenn that I can think of, and none that we drafted.

I personally want to see some draft picks used on the offense before all these old guys like Rivera, Owens, and Glenn start fading faster. You don't find top WR's on trees, and you don't build dominant OL's with guys other teams don't want.

We have a QB...it's time to build an offense for the future, imo.

ON defense, I think Watkins will step up and start at FS next year...the other positions should be strong enough if used correctly. Unless we leave the 3-4, it's unlikely we'll find interior linemen who can play this defense and rush the QB, and I sure don't want to spend another first round pick on a DE or NT or even LB at this point. I could live with drafting another CB, but I personally think we'd better start paying attention to the offense.

Assuming BP is still around next year, I don't think he typically spends high picks on OL. I think his philosophy is that these guys' physique changes so much from one off-season to the next (i.e., coming out of college to the pros), that it's better to get one later on and develop him. I remember him saying this in one of his press conferences.

I don't have BP's draft history with the Jets and Pats, but I don't remember him spending too many Number 1 picks on OL.

Perhaps BP spends a late Day 1 pick on OL, but I would be surprised if our overall number 1 would be an OL.

But I guess you never know . . . .

 

[Chuck 54]

Assuming BP is still around next year, I don't think he typically spends high picks on OL. I think his philosophy is that these guys' physique changes so much from one off-season to the next (i.e., coming out of college to the pros), that it's better to get one later on and develop him. I remember him saying this in one of his press conferences.

I don't have BP's draft history with the Jets and Pats, but I don't remember him spending too many Number 1 picks on OL.

Perhaps BP spends a late Day 1 pick on OL, but I would be surprised if our overall number 1 would be an OL.

But I guess you never know . . . .

That's another thing that has changed greatly since Parcells' heyday....

QB's who come out early do poorly...those who stick in college for as much development and experience as possible seem to do better. Vince Young is finding success, but it has more to do with his raw athletic ability than reading defenses and delivering passes.

OL who come out as seniors seem to be graded pretty accurately these days. The great OT's and perennial all pros every year were almost all top draft picks, with few exceptions.

It's time for us to draft some blue-chip WR's and OLmen...enough with the defense. Especially now that we have a young QB, we need to surround him with guys who will grow and be with him for years...anyone who thinks Crayton and Hurd are our future starters are crazy.

If you ignore one side of the ball for too many drafts, you'll never have the type of impact players you need on both sides. People love the mantra "defense wins championships" but you don't see many teams with patchwork offensive lines, average RBs, and older receivers with no youth winning titles...very rare.

If your offense sustains drives and puts up lots of points, you defense only has to step up and get stops a few times a game to win. If all your focus is on defense, you better have a defense that dominates and stops the other team on most possessions.

 

[junk]

Yhea, but none of these other guys except Ware seem to be able to get to the QB.

Even Ware doesn't do that great of a job. I was hoping for double digit sacks this year.

 

[junk]

Between Canty and Ware we should be ripping some QB's, there's just no real excuse.

When your philosophy is bend but don't break, it permeates the entire squad.

Everybody who's anybody in the NFL thought this defense would rule this year, and well, it should be ruling. 11th is not ruling.

You shouldn't be expecting much in pass rush from Canty. That really isn't his role.

 

[junk]

Do you realize that we don't have 1 single first round pick on the entire offense that we drafted? Terry Glenn...got him late in his career. Not one single first round pick on the starting offense other than Glenn that I can think of, and none that we drafted.
.

Columbo as well....but none that were drafted by Dallas.