Idea: McGee to IR as a roster move?

[horns fan]

Thinking out loud here, but since McGee officially has an injury now, can we stretch his rehab a bit and legitimately put him on IR?

I mean if we are down to McGee playing this year, the season is already so why not? The only down side is that McGee can't practice with the team, but he can attend meetings and learn the mental side during his "redshirt" year.
(per: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=1291&type=n)

This move (if legal) would free up what could be a really valuable roster spot, and would make the burden of carrying an extra kicker much more palatable.

que piensan?

 

[JBS]

Wont happen...and the reason is, if you place McGee on the IR that means he cannot practice with the team for the rest of the season...the guy needs all the practice he can get. I believe that is how it works at least.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thinking out loud here, but since McGee officially has an injury now, can we stretch his rehab a bit and legitimately put him on IR?

I mean if we are down to McGee playing this year, the season is already , so why not? The only down side is that McGee can't practice with the team, but he can attend meetings and learn the mental side during his "redshirt" year.
(per: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=1291&type=n)

This move (if legal) would free up what could be a really valuable roster spot, and would make the burden of carrying an extra kicker much more palatable.

que piensan?

I would not be surprised if that happens. McGee is a long term project not a player who will see any time this season.

 

[Hoofbite]

Wont happen...and the reason is, if you place McGee on the IR that means he cannot practice with the team for the rest of the season...the guy needs all the practice he can get. I believe that is how it works at least.

I was thinking the same thing. I mean, it would be a great idea if he could practice but since he can't you have to keep him on.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't think the league allows teams to do that if the injury is considered minor. He only has a sprained knee.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I was thinking the same thing. I mean, it would be a great idea if he could practice but since he can't you have to keep him on.

nope doesnt work that way guys;
the player has to be seriously injured before placed on IR
remember awhile back,thats how coach belicheater would stash players
would say they are injured but werent;
then he would have them on the practice field working out for that year till they grew as a player the next year,
the nfl would catch on to him, and by the time they got to the field, belicheater was told by walkie talkie etc that the nfl was checking up on him

so now the nfl has safeguards to check and be sure a player really is injured

 

[JBS]

nope doesnt work that way guys;
the player has to be seriously injured before placed on IR
remember awhile back,thats how coach belicheater would stash players
would say they are injured but werent;
then he would have them on the practice field working out for that year till they grew as a player the next year,
the nfl would catch on to him, and by the time they got to the field, belicheater was told by walkie talkie etc that the nfl was checking up on him

so now the nfl has safeguards to check and be sure a player really is injured

I do remember this story, however, I believe the NFL had a major issue with Belichick because those players were not allowed to be practicing bc they were on IR...I am not 100% certain but I believe that is what happened..

 

[AbeBeta]

nope doesnt work that way guys;
the player has to be seriously injured before placed on IR
remember awhile back,thats how coach belicheater would stash players
would say they are injured but werent;
then he would have them on the practice field working out for that year till they grew as a player the next year,
the nfl would catch on to him, and by the time they got to the field, belicheater was told by walkie talkie etc that the nfl was checking up on him

so now the nfl has safeguards to check and be sure a player really is injured

I don't think you are correct. Lots of rookies with somewhat minor injuries go on IR. Teams regularly shut players down for the year with injuries that the player could reasonably recover from in 3-6 weeks. With a QB this is common as the chance of him contributing diminishes with every missed practice. So long as the player and his agent are OK with the move, the league isn't going to care.

That said, shutting McGee down is a bad bad idea. He needs all the time he can get practicing and working with adults like Kitna.

 

[TNCowboy]

His roster spot just isn't that valuable. It's a non-issue.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Kitna was put on IR last year for back spasms.

 

[horns fan]

I don't think you are correct. Lots of rookies with somewhat minor injuries go on IR. Teams regularly shut players down for the year with injuries that the player could reasonably recover from in 3-6 weeks. With a QB this is common as the chance of him contributing diminishes with every missed practice. So long as the player and his agent are OK with the move, the league isn't going to care.

That said, shutting McGee down is a bad bad idea. He needs all the time he can get practicing and working with adults like Kitna.

To reply to a couple:

-i agree belicheat's problem was that he tried to get IR guys on the practice field.

-to the above quote. i agree and a similar IR situation happened to my friend's brother his rookie year. that said, he hasn't developed into a starting QB yet, so there could be validity to the point that McGee needs all the practice he can get.

So it really seems to come down to a team decision of what is more important:
1) McGee's development (practices vs. JUST meetings)
or
2) the available roster spot


My opinion for the roster spot comes a couple fold including ideas like:
-Kitna will still be here next year, so McGee can practice with team that year and maybe by then we'll have freed up anther specialist position if Phillips (backup TE) can learn to long snap or if Buehler can kick field goals too and we can trade Folk
-How much practice do you really get in season. most players talk about all their development coming in offseason workouts and training camp. the in season week to week, game to game preparation leaves little time for player development (so i've read anyway...)
-we have some talent we would otherwise have to release (ogletree, stanback, dixon (although dixon could squeeze on practice squad easily)
-OR bring in someone like Parish or McQuarters both for depth, but mainly for a decent punt returner.

overall, it just gives flexibility to the team in my opinion, but then i honestly don't know a lot about developing quarterbacks or running an NFL team, so what the hell...

 

[Alexander]

nope doesnt work that way guys;
the player has to be seriously injured before placed on IR
remember awhile back,thats how coach belicheater would stash players
would say they are injured but werent;
then he would have them on the practice field working out for that year till they grew as a player the next year,
the nfl would catch on to him, and by the time they got to the field, belicheater was told by walkie talkie etc that the nfl was checking up on him

so now the nfl has safeguards to check and be sure a player really is injured

The current system wasn't a response to Belichick. He plays games with the injury report, not I.R. In fact, many teams now have adopted the practice (Miami does pretty much the same thing).

You can thank Saint Joe Gibbs, who routinely stashed healthy players on Injured Reserve in the 1980s. He was a bigger "cheat" in that regard than Belichick ever has been.

 

[speedkilz88]

The current system wasn't a response to Belichick. He plays games with the injury report, not I.R. In fact, many teams now have adopted the practice (Miami does pretty much the same thing).

You can thank Saint Joe Gibbs, who routinely stashed healthy players on Injured Reserve in the 1980s. He was a bigger "cheat" in that regard than Belichick ever has been.

Former Patriot players have admitted that Belichick practiced players that were on IR.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

He needs the reps he can get in practice. Putting him on IR right now doesn't do him much good in terms of progressing.

 

[cowboyjoe]

well, best i remember you can no longer stash a player on ir if he isnt seriously injured, you have to show doctor reports, xray etc why he is injured

 

[cowboyjoe]

cool thanks alexander i didnt know that, do you have any info documented to say that joe gibbs did do that? I have a friend that is a die hard Commanders fan, would like to point out to him that gibbs wasnt all the saint he said he was

 

[jterrell]

I would not be surprised if that happens. McGee is a long term project not a player who will see any time this season.

Same thing occurred to me.

Once I heard he was likely out for the rest of pre-season then IR is most logical. Frees up a roster spot.
Same with Brandon Williams going down tho his likely has ot be filled at his position.

The team is used to having 2 Qbs on the roster so this makes sense. They can practice squad Carpenter for scout team duties.

 

[Doomsday101]

Same thing occurred to me.

Once I heard he was likely out for the rest of pre-season then IR is most logical. Frees up a roster spot.
Same with Brandon Williams going down tho his likely has ot be filled at his position.

The team is used to having 2 Qbs on the roster so this makes sense. They can practice squad Carpenter for scout team duties.

I think it is an option for the Cowboys, I don't know if they will but it would not come as a surprise. As the 3rd string he is not going to get many reps at all during the season the most you get to do is run the scout team. He will be able to work at VR and attend the meetings so he will be able to continue to learn and throw on the side. We will see what the Cowboys choose to do.

 

[jterrell]

well, best i remember you can no longer stash a player on ir if he isnt seriously injured, you have to show doctor reports, xray etc why he is injured

Naw, only if the player challenges the designation which has happened like once or some such. Guys get IR'd for "feel" injuries like back spasms, stingers et al, fairly often.

McGee get's IR'd but keeps his full salary and gets the year credit towards his retirement plan. The only thing he misses is scout team duties as he wouldn't take "our team" snaps anyway.

He will still get to be on the sideline and working with the QB coach and the offense in meetings.

McGee's improvement was always going to come next year anyway once he had a handle on the mental aspects of the game.

This is a non-issue. He probably goes to IR with no noticeable effect on his development or the team. The only difference is we have to bring in a PS QB to run scout team. So essentially swap out a PS spot for an active one at QB.

 

[jterrell]

FWIW I think in Romo we have the blueprint for developing McGee which means a quite slow but steady progression. McGee would have been a first round pick if he was anywhere near ready to help an NFL team as a rookie. He has r1 measurables.