If Blackmon slips...

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I guess I'm going to be the minority here and say I don't count anything out. If Justin is available at 14 it means some things happened in front of us. Likely DeCastro gone, likely teams that needed or wanted to trade up did, likely one our top choices as OLB are gone, top 2 CB's are likely gone.............you have to consider the scenario's.

It would not be the worst thing Dallas could do............

Disagree taking a receiver when we already have one of the top receiving cores in the league is the worst thing we could do.

 

[jnday]

Disagree taking a receiver when we already have one of the top receiving cores in the league is the worst thing we could do.

I wouldn't like the pick , but Austin has become a part-time player and he has a bad case of the drops . I really don't think Austin would have much trade value now , but I don't think Dallas would consider making the pick anyway .

 

[SDogo]

Disagree taking a receiver when we already have one of the top receiving cores in the league is the worst thing we could do.

Disagree greatly.

When's the last time Miles was healthy all season?

Does Dez mature?

Robinson while great was a journeyman before the season. Question remains if he even comes back.

Jessy Holley, do you trust him as your #2 if Miles goes down and Robinson is gone?

Ogletree........

There could be far worst scenario's.

People greatly over estimate our WR's.

 

[tm1119]

Disagree greatly.

When's the last time Miles was healthy all season?

Does Dez mature?

Robinson while great was a journeyman before the season. Question remains if he even comes back.

Jessy Holley, do you trust him as your #2 if Miles goes down and Robinson is gone?

Ogletree........

There could be far worst scenario's.

People greatly over estimate our WR's.

Agreed. I dont trust Robinson at all. I think he was just a right place right time kind of guy this year. I would not feel comfortable giving him any kind of decent guaranteed $. If some stupid GM wants to pay him then I let him walk.

Im not usually 1 for BPA, but when BPA is a top 5 talent and youre sitting at 14 you have to strongly consider it. With all of this said, I think theres maybe 5% chance that Blackmon actually does fall to 14 so I dont think this argument is really necessary.

 

[Randy White]

Shouldn't even consider it we are fine at the wide reciever position.

I wouldn't draft megatron if he were in this draft and slipped to us. Receiver is the last position im taking. Plus with Blackmon your drafting a 5'10-5'11 guy with not a lot of speed.

Who do you think we are, Detroit?

I'm comfortable with our skill position players right now give me OL help and defensive help. We got the shiny car we need the motor to make it run.

I would definitely listen to trades for the pick if someone just had to have them a smaller, slower WR than anyone on our current roster.

etc..etc..

This is why whenver any of you gentlemen are even entertaining the thought of posting " we should always take the best player available ", you should reconsider.

All of you are right, philosophically speaking. I may not agree with the evaluation of Blackmon some of you posted, but drafting him would be counter productive at this particular time for the Cowboys.

It's not just " best player available ", it's not just " need ", it's not just " cap space ", it's not just one thing or the other that needs to be consider when drafting, it's everything.

 

[TheCoolFan]

It does not make sense from a business perspective to spend a 1st rounder on a WR 2 out of 3 years while also having a big money WR you gave a nice contract to just a few years ago...especially when you have holes on the OLine and all over on defense.

If Laurent walks then perhaps you can try to find a WR in the 3rd round or later if you can't address it in free agency.

 

[Randy White]

Disagree greatly. When's the last time Miles was healthy all season? Does Dez mature? Robinson while great was a journeyman before the season. Question remains if he even comes back. Jessy Holley, do you trust him as your #2 if Miles goes down and Robinson is gone Ogletree........There could be far worst scenario's. People greatly over estimate our WR's.

Absolutely true, but drafting to a strength, as trivial as it might look, takes away resources from other areas of need. Something would have to be done in terms of Dez or Austin immediately after that choice, because you don't go into a season with 3 legit #1 options at the receiver position, spending two #1 draft choices in 2 of the last 3 years on the position.

If you're scared about your current WR group enough to spend a #1 draft pick ( # 14th overall ) on another receiver, you better be moving at least one piece, if not two, of that group because you're essentially saying you can't count on them.

 

[the_h0wey]

We are fine at the WR position. Even if someone would trade with us we aren't going to get anything but a late 2nd earlt 3rd for Dez, and absolutely no one is going to want to take on Miles contract.

 

[SDogo]

Absolutely true, but drafting to a strength, as trivial as it might look, takes away resources from other areas of need. Something would have to be done in terms of Dez or Austin immediately after that choice, because you don't go into a season with 3 legit #1 options at the receiver position, spending two #1 draft choices in 2 of the last 3 years on the position.

If you're scared about your current WR group enough to spend a #1 draft pick ( # 14th overall ) on another receiver, you better be moving at least one piece, if not two, of that group because you're essentially saying you can't count on them.

I think deciding what to do with 3 legit #1 options is a problem every team would like to have in the era of passing.

I don't write off any player at any position and I guarantee you if he is the highest ranked player on the Cowboys board at 14 Jerry and Jason gladly adopt that problem. Esp...if he is the highest ranked player available by a wide margin. For the last 2 years Jerry has emphasized "sticking to the board" which to me is a little disturbing if he's just now grasping that concept but either way, I highly doubt Blackmon would be the one to change that philosophy.

 

[jobberone]

How can you be sure of that? Dude could be a bust you just don't know. It wouldn't be tough at all. Some people just can understand that we don't need another wide receiver. We need help on the OL and on defense not at the WR position.

I don't make a lot of calls about someone going to be a very good or better pro but when I do I'm almost always right. Mark me down as arrogant because he's the real deal. You don't pass on playmakers. He should be near the top of most boards IMO. He will never fall to 14. Unless he gets injured or big time busted or something.

 

[Randy White]

I think deciding what to do with 3 legit #1 options is a problem every team would like to have in the era of passing.

I don't write off any player at any position and I guarantee you if he is the highest ranked player on the Cowboys board at 14 Jerry and Jason gladly adopt that problem. Esp...if he is the highest ranked player available by a wide margin. For the last 2 years Jerry has emphasized "sticking to the board" which to me is a little disturbing if he's just now grasping that concept but either way, I highly doubt Blackmon would be the one to change that philosophy.

It's a good soundbite and it works beautifuly in Madden football, but if Jason and Jerry stick to that philosophy, then the Cowboys will end up spinning their wheels while staying in the same place until at least one of those options is off the roster. If they choose to move Miles or Dez in order to fit in Blackmon, then they're basically back in the same place because although there's no doubt he's a tremendous talent, so are Miles and Dez. Now if they think Dez is not worth the trouble, that's a different story, but this is exclusively based on contribution and talent.

Jason's philosohy also includes running the football. Exactly what game plan are they going use that allows for three #1 options at the receiver position, plus a #1 option at the TE position, to be productive ( happy ), while establishing at least a solid running game ? Do they have a formula, that nobody else knows about, that creates a significantly higher snaps count on offense in a game ?

 

[tm1119]

It's a good soundbite and it works beautifuly in Madden football, but if Jason and Jerry stick to that philosophy, then the Cowboys will end up spinning their wheels while staying in the same place until at least one of those options is off the roster. If they choose to move Miles or Dez in order to fit in Blackmon, then they're basically back in the same place because although there's no doubt he's a tremendous talent, so are Miles and Dez. Now if they think Dez is not worth the trouble, that's a different story, but this is exclusively based on contribution and talent.

Jason's philosohy also includes running the football. Exactly what game plan are they going use that allows for three #1 options at the receiver position, plus a #1 option at the TE position, to be productive ( happy ), while establishing at least a solid running game ? Do they have a formula, that nobody else knows about, that creates a significantly higher snaps count on offense in a game ?

Sorry, but youre never going to convince me that having too many options on offense is a problem. Adding another great weapon on offense will in no way shape or form hinder our team. Do we need other positions more? Of course. But, adding Justin Blackmon would not hurt our team like youre suggesting.

 

[Sasquatch]

I guess I'm going to be the minority here and say I don't count anything out. If Justin is available at 14 it means some things happened in front of us. Likely DeCastro gone, likely teams that needed or wanted to trade up did, likely one our top choices as OLB are gone, top 2 CB's are likely gone.............you have to consider the scenario's.

It would not be the worst thing Dallas could do............

This. The Matt Millen comparisons are only valid if it turns out he sucks.

 

[Randy White]

put things a little more into perspective

Top passing attempts offenses:

1 Detroit Lions - 666/41 apg
2 New Orleans Saints - 662 /41 apg
3 New England Patriots - 612 /38 apg
4 Atlanta Falcons - 594 /37 apg
5 Washington Commanders - 591/37 apg
6 New York Giants - 589/37 apg


Rushing attempts by those same offenses:

11. Atlanta Falcons: 453 /28 rpg
17. New England Patriots: 438 /28 rpg
20. New Orleans Saints: 431 /27 rpg
22. New York Giants: 411 /26 rpg
25. Washington Commanders: 400 /25
31. Detroit Lions: 356 /22 rpg

Only 2 out of all those teams had as many as two #1 options at the WR position: Falcons ( White and Jones ) and Giants ( Cruz and Nicks ). The Patriots don't have one and neither do the Commanders.

I just don't see any logical explanation ( other than some inside information that would lead to the release or trade of either Dez or Austin ) for the Cowboys to go after Blackmon.

Now, if somebody tells me that the Cowboys are going to switch to the run-n-shoot offense, better known as the spread offense today, and basicaly abandon the run, then yes, it would make sense.

 

[jblaze2004]

The Dallas Lions:bang2: :bang2:

 

[tm1119]

put things a little more into perspective

Top passing attempts offenses:

1 Detroit Lions - 666/41 apg
2 New Orleans Saints - 662 /41 apg
3 New England Patriots - 612 /38 apg
4 Atlanta Falcons - 594 /37 apg
5 Washington Commanders - 591/37 apg
6 New York Giants - 589/37 apg


Rushing attempts by those same offenses:

11. Atlanta Falcons: 453 /28 rpg
17. New England Patriots: 438 /28 rpg
20. New Orleans Saints: 431 /27 rpg
22. New York Giants: 411 /26 rpg
25. Washington Commanders: 400 /25
31. Detroit Lions: 356 /22 rpg

Only 2 out of all those teams had as many as two #1 options at the WR position: Falcons ( White and Jones ) and Giants ( Cruz and Nicks ). The Patriots don't have one and neither do the Commanders.

I just don't see any logical explanation ( other than some inside information that would lead to the release or trade of either Dez or Austin ) for the Cowboys to go after Blackmon.

Now, if somebody tells me that the Cowboys are going to switch to the run-n-shoot offense, better known as the spread offense today, and basicaly abandon the run, then yes, it would make sense.

I see a whole lot of playoff teams on that list. And you cant tell me that any of them wouldnt have been a better team if they had better WR's. Thats just flat out illogical.

 

[Randy White]

Sorry, but youre never going to convince me that having too many options on offense is a problem. Adding another great weapon on offense will in no way shape or form hinder our team. Do we need other positions more? Of course. But, adding Justin Blackmon would not hurt our team like youre suggesting.

Well, then, explain to me how are you going to distribute the ball.

Keep this mind: you better come up with enough attempt for each of them that would allow them to be productive to justify the investment in each of them.

The floor is yours.

 

[Randy White]

I see a whole lot of playoff teams on that list. And you cant tell me that any of them wouldnt have been a better team if they had better WR's. Thats just flat out illogical.

a) 12. Dallas Cowboys: 570 /36 apg
(6. New York Giants - 589/37 apg )

b) Patriots and Giants = Superbowl

Exactly how much better those Giants and Patriots need to be ? I have no idea of what you're saying. None..

 

[tm1119]

Well, then, explain to me how are you going to distribute the ball.

Keep this mind: you better come up with enough attempt for each of them that would allow them to be productive to justify the investment in each of them.

The floor is yours.

A WR can have an impact on a game other catching a ball. Defenses would have to decide which guy to cover between Dez, Miles, Blackmon, and Witten. Who cares about individual stats if the offense is doing well? You can't tell me that Romo wouldn't carve up defenses with those options. My only concern would be Dez's immaturity if he isn't getting the ball regularly.

Either way its a dream scenario that won't happen.

 

[tm1119]

a) 12. Dallas Cowboys: 570 /36 apg
(6. New York Giants - 589/37 apg )

b) Patriots and Giants = Superbowl

Exactly how much better those Giants and Patriots need to be ? I have no idea of what you're saying. None..

I'm saying that this is a passing league now. Teams that spread defenses out with 4 WR's and throw the ball 40+ times a game are succeeding. Pats, Packers, saints......And the better the WR's the better the offense. Pretty simple.