If Chris Simms Gets Released... He Will Sit Out 2007

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm with most of you guys. I've always liked Brad Johnson more than most, and think he was underrated late in his career because of his unassuming nature. But by all accounts -- and I mean all accounts -- he's been absolutely awful in camp. I hate to say it, but unless Brad is somehow just trying to save his arm as much as possible, I'd take Simms or Holcomb instead.

Like a lot of people, I thought Simms was a choker at Texas. But he showed tons of improvement once he got some better coaching in the pros. I still wouldn't want him as a starter, but as a backup? Sure.

 

[zeromaster]

I could handle Chris Simms as a backup for ROMO

The note-taker? Me, not so much...

 

[AbeBeta]

Then sometime in the next 2-3 years, we're liable to see a perfectly promising season FUBARed...

Johnson sucks, and if the Boys have to count on him for more than mop-up duty, they can kiss any playoff aspirations goodbye...

I still find myself hoping that the final cuts will give the Boys an opportunity to pick up something better than Johnson to be their backup, and they can send him packing...

You can probably tell, IMO just about anybody would be "something better than Johnson"... I hated that signing when it was made, but allowed myself to hope that his diminished arm strength was greatly exaggerated... it has now become quite clear that it isn't...

Yes. We will be FUBARed if Romo goes down - but would a Joey Harrington or Tim Rattay really make such a huge difference? Does that differ all that much from what most teams would experience if their starter went down?

Johnson at least is a smart player who understands what he needs to do out there, regardless of whether his body can cash those checks. That, and his 2.5 mill SB, are going to keep him here.

 

[Yeagermeister]

If Romo goes down it won't matter if it's Johnson or Simms at qb. They both suck but at least Johnson is healthy.

 

[Stautner]

he is better than Brad Johnson

Yet Brad Johnson has been good enough to play in the NFL for what? 14 years or so? And Chris Simms can't even make the Buccaneers as a backup?

 

[Yeagermeister]

Yet Brad Johnson has been good enough to play in the NFL for what? 14 years or so? And Chris Simms can't even make the Buccaneers as a backup?

And win a SB

 

[ZeroClub]

I'm with most of you guys. I've always liked Brad Johnson more than most, and think he was underrated late in his career because of his unassuming nature. But by all accounts -- and I mean all accounts -- he's been absolutely awful in camp. I hate to say it, but unless Brad is somehow just trying to save his arm as much as possible, I'd take Simms or Holcomb instead.

Like a lot of people, I thought Simms was a choker at Texas. But he showed tons of improvement once he got some better coaching in the pros. I still wouldn't want him as a starter, but as a backup? Sure.

I'm on board with every bit of this.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

And win a SB

A lot of people seem to forget that.



The Johnson gloom and doomers need to understand that unlike any of the other available QBs this offseason, Johnson is a proven winner. He may not have the arm strength of Romo, but he had below average arm strength when he was in Tampa.

 

[Zaxor]

A lot of people seem to forget that.



The Johnson gloom and doomers need to understand that unlike any of the other available QBs this offseason, Johnson is a proven winner. He may not have the arm strength of Romo, but he had below average arm strength when he was in Tampa.

let me ask you this if you cut off Brad's arms is he still a SB winning QB?

 

[Stautner]

A lot of people seem to forget that.



The Johnson gloom and doomers need to understand that unlike any of the other available QBs this offseason, Johnson is a proven winner. He may not have the arm strength of Romo, but he had below average arm strength when he was in Tampa.

This is the point. Obviously arm strength is a nice asset and certainly having a strong arm is preferable, but history has clearly shown that having a cannon isn't a required to win games. Playing smart and putting your team in the best possible position to win is a much bigger asset for a QB.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

If Simms is cut, I would sign him and do what we did with Columbo. Have him be the thrid QB, and nurse him back to health. I would keep Moore on the PS in case both Romo and Johnson get injured. If so, I would bring Moore up and not play Simms at all.

Then next year, when Simms is healthy, he would be the backup, unless he miraculously beats out Romo. (he won't).

That would work for me. As for Brad, he is terrible. My grandmother can throw a better ball than him.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is the point. Obviously arm strength is a nice asset and certainly having a strong arm is preferable, but history has clearly shown that having a cannon isn't a required to win games. Playing smart and putting your team in the best possible position to win is a much bigger asset for a QB.

I agree. Johnson will not go out and do things to get you beat. The guy is good about taking what the defense gives him and will throw it away instead of trying to force things. While he does not have the big arm he can still throw the go routs if defense start cheating up on the shorter routs

 

[aikemirv]

If Simms is cut, I would sign him and do what we did with Columbo. Have him be the thrid QB, and nurse him back to health. I would keep Moore on the PS in case both Romo and Johnson get injured. If so, I would bring Moore up and not play Simms at all.

Then next year, when Simms is healthy, he would be the backup, unless he miraculously beats out Romo. (he won't).

That would work for me. As for Brad, he is terrible. My grandmother can throw a better ball than him.

Well as Michael Waltrip would say, " I don't know how good of a football player your grandmother is, but Brad might take that as a compliment"

If you have not seen Waltrip's commercial this will be way over your head.

Here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvHh9Fy36Ps

 

[Zaxor]

This is the point. Obviously arm strength is a nice asset and certainly having a strong arm is preferable, but history has clearly shown that having a cannon isn't a required to win games. Playing smart and putting your team in the best possible position to win is a much bigger asset for a QB.

but if he can't throw intermediate or long than you have 22 people in a 10 yard area (not good) now earlier in his career he could throw beyond 10 yards and complete a pass but it sure doesn't look like he can do that now... have you seen one report of him completing a pass of over 10 yards?

 

[Zaxor]

I agree. Johnson will not go out and do things to get you beat. The guy is good about taking what the defense gives him and will throw it away instead of trying to force things. While he does not have the big arm he can still throw the go routs if defense start cheating up on the shorter routs

do you have access to the Bear/Minn game from last year if so would you be so kind as to watch that and come back on here and make that same statement.

 

[Doomsday101]

but if he can't throw intermediate or long than you have 22 people in a 10 yard area (not good) now earlier in his career he could throw beyond 10 yards and complete a pass but it sure doesn't look like he can do that now... have you seen one report of him completing a pass of over 10 yards?

Come on Johnson can throw the ball over 10 yards, he may be 38 but he is not crippled. He had some passes last season of over 40 yards and throwing the bomb does not require a QB having a rocket arm. Granted I would not have him throwing too many 20 yard out routs which in my opinion does require a guy with a lot of zip on his passes

 

[Doomsday101]

do you have access to the Bear/Minn game from last year if so would you be so kind as to watch that and come back on here and make that same statement.

Johnson like any guy can make mistakes but for the most part he is not going to force the issue that many times. Your pointing to 1 game, heck I could point to one game about any player and claim he sucks because of that 1 game but it does not make it a true statement

 

[Zaxor]

Come on Johnson can throw the ball over 10 yards, he may be 38 but he is not crippled. He had some passes last season of over 40 yards and throwing the bomb does not require a QB having a rocket arm. Granted I would not have him throwing too many 20 yard out routs which in my opinion does require a guy with a lot of zip on his passes

sure he can throw further than 10 yards but can he complete one further than 10 yards my guess is no he can not cause no one has seen him do it this year to my knowledge

 

[StanleySpadowski]

but if he can't throw intermediate or long than you have 22 people in a 10 yard area (not good) now earlier in his career he could throw beyond 10 yards and complete a pass but it sure doesn't look like he can do that now... have you seen one report of him completing a pass of over 10 yards?

Just because MacMahon didn't report it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Johnson had plenty of completions on seams and gos during camp if you read everyone else's practice write ups.

 

[Zaxor]

Johnson like any guy can make mistakes but for the most part he is not going to force the issue that many times. Your pointing to 1 game, heck I could point to one game about any player and claim he sucks because of that 1 game but it does not make it a true statement

Dooms here is stat lines for the games he played last year

http://www.nfl.com/players/bradjohnson/gamelogs?id=JOH322990&season=2006

he only had 5 games that he didn't throw an int in

against Buf he had 2 ints, against NE he had 3 ints and against chi he had 4 ints

he had only one game last year that he threw for more than 1 TD

he had 2 games with multiple fumbles