If Dak is playable and on the field, he produces

[CCBoy]

Even by his standards that's a biggie.
And no - didn't read any of it

That, is a choice.

 

[CCBoy]

so every other year he is injured or stinks

He at least is well paid for not showing up!

 

[CCBoy]

I don’t think he got any 1st place votes. Under the old system just a few years ago he wouldn’t even be listed.

Point is his production put him solidly in consideration.

 

[CCBoy]

If I were Dak I would be embarrassed that my fans tout me for being a second place loser, but then again Dak has no shame same as his fans.

 

[CCBoy]

I wouldn't have even used that line to pick up chicks back in the day.

How's that old saying about winners and losers and prom queens go?

Wow, dating?

 

[CCBoy]

I don’t think he got any 1st place votes. Under the old system just a few years ago he wouldn’t even be listed.

Now why was the list compiled?

 

[Sydla]

His completion percentage is actually pretty high.

Now go back and check interceptions by quarterbacks of the strong teams and really see if they have painful interceptions as well.

You can try to spin this any way you want but Dak is not a top QB. How many years do you need to see to prove that to you?

He needs a quality scheme and top talent to work. It’s painfully obvious at this point to anyone who isn’t a complete and total homer.

 

[noshame]

Honestly some of you don't know when to give up,
Dak stinks, was Jerry worst extension in a epic line of horrible extensions.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Point is his production put him solidly in consideration.

Now why was the list compiled?

I don't dismiss that Dak played some of the best football of his career in 2023. I just think the MVP voting has been watered down with the new voting system that has been in place since 2022. Mayfield, Darnold, Herbert, Goff, Stroud, Stafford, Purdy, Myles Garrett, Geno Smith, Tua, Justin Fields, AJ Brown, and Trevor Lawrence have gotten MVP votes the last 3 years. Granted Dak was much higher on the list than any of those guy he still didnt get any 1st place votes.

Even under the old system where there were only 1st place votes you had guys like Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, etc. I've just never though of the MVP as meaning much other than your a QB for a top team.

Regardless we had a very good version of Dak in 2023, a pretty bad version of Dak in 2024...I just think the MVP argument is a pretty weak one unless we are holding other mid tier QBs who have been in the running to the same light.

 

[CATCH17]

If he is playable and on the field, he produces. While playing, he nor could Romo or anyone turn it all around by being stacked 5 times a game for extended periods. He was MPV runner up when he could scramble a lot, and not limited by injuries.

His protection and the run blocking have to improve.

Another top receiver to push potentials to high production levels requires a producing 2nd receiver. No one on roster looks to step up but just in a member of group level. To push defense back, a cheaper drafted receiver is needed. Not a quiet the crowd noise free agent. Target a receiver with elite speed and plug him into the offense for five years.

Cost effect improves and a reliable game day solution that hits the carpet.

The running back roster is just weak. That talent level needs a true injection that will keep opponent linebackers on their heels. Offense wins games now and so does productive passing. Both offensive tackles have to pass block and this not a convience, further. Here and now or bring back Smith for an only immediate use. He would be a band aide last resort remedy.

No, it's not Dak. They have to be led and accountability still flows from the top. Real problems have to still be solved on the level of the problems. Not name calling and 30 year old calendars.

Dak stat pads on teams we would beat with Rush.


When it’s big boy football time he plays timid and goes into a shell. Totally not capable of a shootout type of game at all if need be.


So the answer is his needs a beast Oline and a explosive run game if he is ever to make noise in the post season.

Otherwise we are just wasting years with him as our QB. Thinking we can win with his arm is delusional.

 

[CCBoy]

You can try to spin this any way you want but Dak is not a top QB. How many years do you need to see to prove that to you?

He needs a quality scheme and top talent to work. It’s painfully obvious at this point to anyone who isn’t a complete and total homer.pin

No spin I have a solid post on Prescott. On topic.

 

[CCBoy]

Dak stat pads on teams we would beat with Rush.


When it’s big boy football time he plays timid and goes into a shell. Totally not capable of a shootout type of game at all if need be.


So the answer is his needs a beast Oline and a explosive run game if he is ever to make noise in the post season.

Otherwise we are just wasting years with him as our QB. Thinking we can win with his arm is delusional.

3 straight 12 wins just wasn' fake stuff,

Your directions don't include a team discussion. Why?

 

[CCBoy]

Dak stat pads on teams we would beat with Rush.


When it’s big boy football time he plays timid and goes into a shell. Totally not capable of a shootout type of game at all if need be.


So the answer is his needs a beast Oline and a explosive run game if he is ever to make noise in the post season.

Otherwise we are just wasting years with him as our QB. Thinking we can win with his arm is delusionalust not true for the 3 strong winning seasons. Discuss wins relationship to league records.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Totally agree, @CCBoy .

My week's old mock draft mimics your points exactly to a "T" and addresses the positions of need you just mentioned.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/acs-3-trade-mock-2025.533168/

What do you think?

Teams can't absorb 13 rookies.

If a team already has 10 picks, they should be looking to dry to improve the positions (try to package two Day 3 picks with your 3rd rounder to get another 2nd rounder...something like that. Or, trade for future picks using the 1 Year = 1 Round method (hey Team X, we'll give you our 4th round pick this year, for your 3rd round pick next year, straight up)

I would have been tempted to take Tyler Warren in rd 1 instead of trading back for higher volume. He's the best receiving threat in the draft, including all TEs and WRs

I like adding to the trenches too... but woulda gone Membou or Simmons to get a blue chip tackle.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't dismiss that Dak played some of the best football of his career in 2023. I just think the MVP voting has been watered down with the new voting system that has been in place since 2022. Mayfield, Darnold, Herbert, Goff, Stroud, Stafford, Purdy, Myles Garrett, Geno Smith, Tua, Justin Fields, AJ Brown, and Trevor Lawrence have gotten MVP votes the last 3 years. Granted Dak was much higher on the list than any of those guy he still didnt get any 1st place votes.

Even under the old system where there were only 1st place votes you had guys like Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, etc. I've just never though of the MVP as meaning much other than your a QB for a top team.

Regardless we had a very good version of Dak in 2023, a pretty bad version of Dak in 2024...I just think the MVP argument is a pretty weak one unless we are holding other mid tier QBs who have been in the running to the same light.

Injury throughout the team. Just how well did SF do with a better team and the same degree of injuries?

They are one slot ahead of Dallas in the draft.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Why do people keep touting 'MVP runner up' as some sort of accomplishment? No one ever remembers second place (except Dakstans, of course). Second place is always forgotten very quickly.

Aaron Rodgers won MVP in 2020, can you tell me who came in second? Nope, and no one cares.

I don't his point was to necessarily tout 2nd MVP, based on what I understood from his post, is that he has some ability, but needs help. and being 2nd, means you have been in the race. you have shown some ability and you can compete. I didn't read it as hey 2nd place. woohoo. his point IMHO was you don't get to be in top of MVP conversation if you don't show some ability that you belong in the conversation.

 

[CCBoy]

Honestly some of you don't know when to give up,
Dak stinks, was Jerry worst extension in a epic line of horrible extensions.

Go ahead and email Jerry for you to replace Stephen.

 

[CCBoy]

You can try to spin this any way you want but Dak is not a top QB. How many years do you need to see to prove that to you?

He needs a quality scheme and top talent to work. It’s painfully obvious at this point to anyone who isn’t a complete and total homer.

A good team is just that...a team! When not injured, he produces. That didn't require more and the defense was improving until 2024.

 

[Vtwin]

The graph of production proved your chosen stance was wrong. So, with a short average time he was just careless?

Already answered in thread.

Graphic reading is not a strength.

Where? I believe you are a bit confused.

The premise of the thread is If Dak is playable and on the field he produces.

A point was made and question asked regarding Dak's poor play at the beginning of the 2024 season prior to the injury. You first responded that you didn't have to answer questions. It was then pointed out to you that actually you do have some responsibility to defend the stance you took and initiated in public dialog. You responded with some slick talk, some insults and a graphic showing Dak's career stats, which clearly pointed out the drop in production you were originally asked about. The graph of production clearly shows my chosen stance was in fact, correct?

In spite of your claim that Dak will produce if healthy and on the field the evidence you provided shows different.

In summary. Dak's poor performance when healthy was brought up (not by me BTW), you were asked specifically about it and to this point you have refused to address that valid and pertinent point. All you have done is run and hide while tossing insults.

The irony of you insulting me, or anyone about reading comprehension, insulting instead of discussing, making up storylines and denial of reality is off the charts hypocrisy.

Why did Dak stink the joint out prior to his injury in 2024?

 

[Chasing6]

So... you think Dak has some meat left on the bone yet?

Well he currently is trying to reattach it.