If Hawaii Wins...

[morieeel]

If they could give it to BYU in the eighties, then I see no reason why hawaii doesn't deserve it this year, because no team in the big 6 conferences deserve it this year. They all folded, when handed the number one spot.

 

[Dallas]

Put them on another team and you can still count on them to produce. I don't think McCoy would do that well outside of Texas. I don't think Tebow would do anything outside of Florida. I am not sure about Bradford. I need to see more. That just makes me a harsh evaluator, not ignorant.

You can't just recruit for your system and then plug in any QB and exepect him to be the same QB. I don't think anyone would expect that. Most coaches recruit for what they are trying to do on the fieild. Get the right players for your system and your system can shine. Get the wrong player i.e. a qb who does not fit your system then yes, it could be a real failure.

 

[Dallas]

If they could give it to BYU in the eighties, then I see no reason why hawaii doesn't deserve it this year, because no team in the big 6 conferences deserve it this year. They all folded, when handed the number one spot.

Oh they deserve it more than Hawaii does. Hawaii did not play anyone this year. The BCS has to take strength of schedule into consideration always for it to be considered a valid formula for bowling.

If that were the case then everyone would want to play in the WAC and schedule weak teams to compete against to get a perfect season.

That is basically what you are saying. Play nobody and still be considered for the NC game.

No way.

 

[Doomsday101]

...I will call them the National Champs just like I did for Boise State last year. At the very least I hope they give us a great game to watch. I still say last year's Fiesta Bowl with Boise State's miracle over Oklahoma is one of the best games I've ever seen if not the best.

I agree that was one of the best Bowl games I can remember. Boise State pulled every play out of the playbook from the hook and lateral to the statue of liberty. That was a fun game. As for Hawaii I don't think they are one of the best teams in the country but they are undefeated and in a BCS bowl game and should they win they have as much right to claim the National Championship title as anyone.

 

[joseephuss]

Oh they deserve it more than Hawaii does. Hawaii did not play anyone this year. The BCS has to take strength of schedule into consideration always for it to be considered a valid formula for bowling.

If that were the case then everyone would want to play in the WAC and schedule weak teams to compete against to get a perfect season.

That is basically what you are saying. Play nobody and still be considered for the NC game.

No way.

Ohio State played nobody and is still considered for the NC game.

 

[Dallas]

Ohio State played nobody and is still considered for the NC game.

Preachin to the Chior !!

 

[morieeel]

Oh they deserve it more than Hawaii does. Hawaii did not play anyone this year. The BCS has to take strength of schedule into consideration always for it to be considered a valid formula for bowling.

If that were the case then everyone would want to play in the WAC and schedule weak teams to compete against to get a perfect season.

That is basically what you are saying. Play nobody and still be considered for the NC game.

No way.

I agree the schedule reeks. I'm just saying, if there was a year to give a WAC team a shot, this is the year. Nobody has stood out.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I used to share the same opinion about the importance of the SOS. I used to discount teams like BYU, Boise and even Hawaii for not playing anyone. But I think those teams are also not given enough credit. It's tough to win all of your games. The top ranked teams lost to joke schools. If it's so easy to beat weak schools then why didn't schools like USC beat Stanford?

This is exactly why I don't favor a tournament. It may be more unfair but the regular season means something. If we had a tournament, no one would watch the regular season with the same intensity. Even teams could take off a game or two knowing they could still get into the tournament. With the current situation, you can't lose a game. I like that!

I just think a lot of this could be cleared up if preseason rankings were not given. There should be no coaches poll prior the first BCS rankings. This prevents teams like Michigan from being ranked 12th even with 3 losses. It would also give teams incentive to play their best and blow out their opponents to prove they are one of the best schools. It would also cause them to schedule a tougher non-conference schedule. The polls can assess the SOS during the first part of the season.

 

[Doomsday101]

I used to share the same opinion about the importance of the SOS. I used to discount teams like BYU, Boise and even Hawaii for not playing anyone. But I think those teams are also not given enough credit. It's tough to win all of your games. The top ranked teams lost to joke schools. If it's so easy to beat weak schools then why didn't schools like USC beat Stanford?

This is exactly why I don't favor a tournament. It may be more unfair but the regular season means something. If we had a tournament, no one would watch the regular season with the same intensity. Even teams could take off a game or two knowing they could still get into the tournament. With the current situation, you can't lose a game. I like that!

I just think a lot of this could be cleared up if preseason rankings were not given. There should be no coaches poll prior the first BCS rankings. This prevents teams like Michigan from being ranked 12th even with 3 losses. It would also give teams incentive to play their best and blow out their opponents to prove they are one of the best schools. It would also cause them to schedule a tougher non-conference schedule. The polls can assess the SOS during the first part of the season.

I agree and I would go as far as saying the 1st polls shown should until after the 3 non-conference games take place at the beginning of the season.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Ohio State played nobody and is still considered for the NC game.

Cmon, I agree Ohio St. didn't play anyone but compared to Hawaii's opponents....

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I agree and I would go as far as saying the 1st polls shown should until after the 3 non-conference games take place at the beginning of the season.

Agreed! I was about to disagree with you but your point is brilliant. If you rank teams after the first 3 non-conference games, teams will be inclinded to schedule more difficult non-conference games to achieve high rankings in the first polls. For example, a team like Wisconsin will be less likely to schedule Citadel and UNLV as non-conference games knowing it could hurt them with the inital polls. And if teams play weak teams, they will try to blow them out to get ranked higher instead of feeling complacent just to beat them if they know they already ranked high. Do you think Michigan would have taken Appalachian St. more seriously if they had no high preseason rank to rest their laurels on

 

[joseephuss]

Cmon, I agree Ohio St. didn't play anyone but compared to Hawaii's opponents....

Sure the Big Ten is tougher than the WAC, but not that much tougher. Not this season. The Big Ten is really down this year. And out of conference games for Ohio St was not good this season. Their toughest opponent was Washington, which was also Hawaii's toughest out of conference opponent. And it wasn't necessarily a direct comparison with Hawaii that I was trying to get at, but a statement about how I see Ohio St. as being unworthy of being in the BCS NC game.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Sure the Big Ten is tougher than the WAC, but not that much tougher. Not this season. The Big Ten is really down this year. And out of conference games for Ohio St was not good this season. Their toughest opponent was Washington, which was also Hawaii's toughest out of conference opponent. And it wasn't necessarily a direct comparison with Hawaii that I was trying to get at, but a statement about how I see Ohio St. as being unworthy of being in the BCS NC game.

The Big 10 is better than the WAC. Washington was horrible. They finished last in the Pac 10 and lost to teams like Washington St. and Arizona. Wisconsin, Illinois, Penn St. and Michigan are better than Washington. Ohio St. killed Washinton by 19 points and was well in control of that game. Hawaii came from being 21 points behind to beat Washington on a touchdown drive with 54 seconds left. It's one thing to say the Big 10 is down, it's another to say the WAC was as good as the Big 10. The WAC is nowhere near as good as the Big 10 even in this down year.

I don't think Ohio St. is very good but they are worthy. USC, Oklahoma, and West Virginia all had their chance and they lost to teams that were comparable to many of Ohio St.'s opponents this year. Had one of those teams remained with one loss, they would be taking Ohio St.'s place in the national championship game. Should we fault Ohio St. because they took care of business and didn't lose to teams they weren't supposed to lose to? I'm an OU fan but I think it was ridiculous that OU lost to Colorado or that USC lost to Stanford or West Virginia lost to Pitt. The issue isn't whether those teams are better, the issue is do they deserve to play in the NC game over those teams and the answer is yes they do. Remember, those teams choked and enabled Ohio St. to play for the title. The polls didn't want Ohio St. in the game That being said, I think LSU is going to kill them.