If no new CBA, can a team cut players without money loss?

[AdamJT13]

I am curious. If next year the cap does not exist but looks like it could return under a new CBA could you sign a current player to a new contract that would pay them a lump sum and thus not half to worry about the Cap? Spend a lot of money in the year with out the cap and thus start really low when the cap comes back?

The CBA has rules governing how contracts can be structured in an uncapped year. So no, you can't pay a player a gazillion dollars in 2010 and next to nothing after that.

The uncapped year will be much less of a dumping ground for salaries/cap charges than most fans think it will be (if it happens).

 

[casmith07]

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[SLATEmosphere]

I think Flo and Hamlin are gone after this year. CBA or not.

 

[Stautner]

The CBA has rules governing how contracts can be structured in an uncapped year. So no, you can't pay a player a gazillion dollars in 2010 and next to nothing after that.

The uncapped year will be much less of a dumping ground for salaries/cap charges than most fans think it will be (if it happens).

This doesn't surprise me at all. It's logical that the bases would be covered.

Besides, why would anyone want to pay all the money up front - that would take away the incentive for the player to bust his ***, wouldn't it?

 

[joseephuss]

Doug Free will have to play extraordinarily well to warrant cutting Flo. I think there is a significant difference in being able to play right tackle and left tackle. If Free proves to be a competent right tackle it doesn't mean he would be able to step in on the left side. Flo may get cut after this year, but it really won't have anything to do with Free's stint at right tackle.

 

[Randy White]

i don't see TO as a real analogy. Without all the drama surrounding TO I think he would still be here. There isn't constant dissention and a media circus surrounding Roy, so I think the odds are that he will still be with us next year rather than having to eat his contract.

Odds are that you're right in that regard. I'm just saying that the possibility is real.

We'll see..

 

[juck]

This thread is original.

so is ur comment inside it.

 

[Stautner]

Odds are that you're right in that regard. I'm just saying that the possibility is real.

We'll see..

I certainly agree that being under contract does not guarantee a player will be retained, and that Jerry is capable of making a move contract or not.

And I'll certainly admit that my mind could change about the odds of Roy being let go depending on how the rest of the season goes.

 

[Randy White]

I am curious. If next year the cap does not exist but looks like it could return under a new CBA could you sign a current player to a new contract that would pay them a lump sum and thus not half to worry about the Cap? Spend a lot of money in the year with out the cap and thus start really low when the cap comes back?

Realistically ? No. Theoritically it could be possible but it's way too complicated, having to do when the player gets his money and other rules ( such as bonuses paid after certain time of the year, etc ) that makes it realistically NOT probable.

However, having said all that, the CBA contains a rule that prevents that move outright. It's called the 30% rule. It states that players cannot be signed to new contracts ( in the uncapped year ) for more than 30% of what he made in salaries and bonuses this year. So, basically, all the player could get is a 30% pay increase if he's to sign a new contract next year.

 

[Randy White]

I would say Barber is a better candidate than Brady..

There you go and you're right in that he's a better candidate than Brady.

 

[jksmith269]

The CBA has rules governing how contracts can be structured in an uncapped year. So no, you can't pay a player a gazillion dollars in 2010 and next to nothing after that.

The uncapped year will be much less of a dumping ground for salaries/cap charges than most fans think it will be (if it happens).

The only benefit to a team is they can drop a player and absorb their accelerated bonus and not have to worry about it eating up their cap number, other than that it won't really affect most teams. and teams will have to be smart about the contracts they do offer some players as there will be a cap again IMO and it could bite some teams in the backside (Commanders).

BTW the point adam makes about not being able to pay a player a ton in the uncapped year and then small amounts is kind of like the Deion Sanders rule, isn't it Adam?

 

[Bluefin]

I think Flo and Hamlin are gone after this year. CBA or not.

Same here.

I appreciate all Flozell Adams has done for the team, but he really has trouble moving now and sustaining his level of play through December is a big question.

Ken Hamlin is an iffy tackler and too slow to be in center field.

Doug Free will have to play extraordinarily well to warrant cutting Flo. I think there is a significant difference in being able to play right tackle and left tackle. If Free proves to be a competent right tackle it doesn't mean he would be able to step in on the left side. Flo may get cut after this year, but it really won't have anything to do with Free's stint at right tackle.

The staff and Jerry Jones all consider Doug Free to be a better left tackle than right tackle. Free has the feet for left side service, no question about it. I was happy to see Free do well at RT yesterday because the big question with him concerned his playing strength.

We'll get to see how Free does over the next month, but releasing the Hotel is likely during the off-season, IMO.

We will also draft another left tackle if that happens.

 

[Randy White]

The uncapped year will be much less of a dumping ground for salaries/cap charges than most fans think it will be (if it happens).

You think so ? Anything on the background you can tell us ?

I've been advocating this " dump " year for a while now because it's the logical thing to do if you're a team who wants to get rid of bad contracts that because of salary cap rules you couldn't before.

You think teams would want to hang on to the talent instead ?

Tell you this much, in my opinion, the dicisions the teams are going to make regarding that scenario is going to be a sign as to the insight of the next CBA and how hard/soft the next cap will be. IMO, if we start seeing lots of " bad contracts " being dumped, it means the next cap is going to be tougher to get around. Obviously the opposite of that would be true.

For whatever it's worth, it will be a very interesting off season.

 

[Randy White]

BTW the point adam makes about not being able to pay a player a ton in the uncapped year and then small amounts is kind of like the Deion Sanders rule, isn't it Adam?

In a way, it is just exactly that.