If Pitts falls

[quickccc]

My guess is Vernon Davis or Kellen Winslow Jr

With neither once "Generational" TE likely headed to the NFL Hall of fame.

 

[ondaedg]

History isn’t too kind to the team that decides to trade next years future for a player in that years draft.
Nobody is trading you anything if significance for Gallup.

Your option is to trade down but you aren’t getting two 1sts in this draft. You draft Pitts just know your 2nd round pick is the next time you can go defense.

One team that sticks out in my mind was the Falcons trading all those picks to get Julio. I think some would argue it was a good trade.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

One team that sticks out in my mind was the Falcons trading all those picks to get Julio. I think some would argue it was a good trade.

That’s different though. They didn’t trade back into the draft they traded up for the best receiver.

 

[blueblood70]

if we pick the " Generational " TE as Pitts is hyped up to be, i'm not even worried about balls, catches and touches for Jarwin and Schulz.
They immediately become afterthoughts and possible trade value.
Pitts as the 10th overall immediately becomes a high priority for Kellen Moore to scheme and find ways to not only involve Pitts, but find the best ways to exploit his talents and explosiveness.

yes, the after effect is someone else is gonna lose touches - that could be Gallup if the OC is not imaginative and creative enough to find spots,role and occasions for both Pitts and Gallup.

IF IF IF HOPE IF IF IF IF I HOPE IF IF IF IF IF IF IF MIGHT HOPE IF IF IF

hes a parallels move if he doesnt make up for gallup, shultz and Jarwins production as one player. Can he ? i doubt it its hype homie all hype!!


IF ,

IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFs and Butts were candy and nuts , everyday would be Christmas..

got it

we dont need parallels move we need defensive help NOW , not move production around on offense and leave the defense exposed..i rather trade out of that spot because teams that want Pitts will give up more then the 10 spot is worth we can benefit far more movign out then keeping PItts IMO..

Im not against Pitts because i do know if that truly happens we will trade Gallup within the draft immediately making calls and coming out of camp Jarwin or Shultz will be moved as well.. but again that not truly an improvement , its changing production/targets to different players..

Gallup ,shultz were pretty productive last season given the circumstances and Jawrin has the upside and new deal he has yet to take a snap from so IMHO Pitts would need to be as good as 2 of them for sure..its a numbers game

I prefer moving out and taking defense a few spots down..

 

[Typhus]

im sorry but most expert evaluators say that Horn, Surtain, Farley and Parsons are NOT A REACH at 10..just because fans dont see it doesnt make it true..they are all worth a pick at 10 if you ask many experts,.,so you take who you believe improves your team , Pitts is not a big enough improvement as he will take balls away from Gallup, Jarwin and Shultz so hes adding talent to an already talented group that only so many balls go around and that means more trades ie move gallup cut shultz or Jarwin etc etc

So you must switch to BPA ON Defense. If you can trade down a few spots still get one of those 4 guy's then do so but its not reach to take any of those 4 at 10, its been discussed..sure BPA would most likely on offense but the only goal to improve the team and most of that is on defense, period..

If you trust in your scouting dept then you take the player,, what if McClay has Horn equal to Surtain, and say Surtain is gone and they were going to take Surtain at 10.
I could care less where all the draft gurus have Horn back a few spots from ten, they can pound their chests about how we reached for Horn at 10,, who cares if the grade
and evaluation is right.
Just using the Horn/Surtain example, just one of many possible scenarios, so feel free to make others, just main point being that if you are not listening to McClay and his dept,, then
why are you paying him to do this job.
Its when Jerry starts handing out gifts to his Coords like Marinelli most recently,, here you go, take your pick Rod, ... would have loved to have seen where McClay had Taco ranked on his board.

 

[Jake]

It's becoming increasingly apparent that he won't be there at 10. The Falcons have been all over the guy in recent weeks.

 

[Carson]

It's becoming increasingly apparent that he won't be there at 10. The Falcons have been all over the guy in recent weeks.

Their GM wants Lance and Smith wants to keep Ryan two more.

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2021/...rthur-smith-thinks-matt-ryan-has-2-years-left

 

[quickccc]

IF IF IF HOPE IF IF IF IF I HOPE IF IF IF IF IF IF IF MIGHT HOPE IF IF IF

hes a parallels move if he doesnt make up for gallup, shultz and Jarwins production as one player. Can he ? i doubt it its hype homie all hype!!


IF ,

IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFs and Butts were candy and nuts , everyday would be Christmas..

got it

we dont need parallels move we need defensive help NOW , not move production around on offense and leave the defense exposed..i rather trade out of that spot because teams that want Pitts will give up more then the 10 spot is worth we can benefit far more movign out then keeping PItts IMO..

Im not against Pitts because i do know if that truly happens we will trade Gallup within the draft immediately making calls and coming out of camp Jarwin or Shultz will be moved as well.. but again that not truly an improvement , its changing production/targets to different players..

Gallup ,shultz were pretty productive last season given the circumstances and Jawrin has the upside and new deal he has yet to take a snap from so IMHO Pitts would need to be as good as 2 of them for sure..its a numbers game

I prefer moving out and taking defense a few spots down..

LOL … is sumthing in the water ?

- Pitts is not a lateral move (parallels as you call it) as the pure talent level he possesses, it is not comparable .
If Kyle is considered a Generational player, then he more than makes up for what we could get from Jarwin and Schultz- those two are B tier players.
Pitts is supposed to be an A-tier player.

- From what Pitts is being hyped to be as a blue chip, generational player, neither, Jarwin and Schutlz doesn’t have close to the physical tools and skill set that Pitts possesses.
His scouting profile indicates that he presents matchup problems for both LBs and safeties,…. on a blue chip level.
And Pitts is supposed to have more refined and polished receiving skills and knack for the passing game than speedy TEs Vernon Davis and Evan Ingram had coming into the NFL draft .

- And as you know Ingram hasn’t been anywhere near the potential and expectation and impact as he was thought to be when he was drafted by the Giants, despite
a bogus questionable pro bowl invite last year.

- Like ANY player that comes and goes in the NFL draft, he is not an absolute guaranteed- all players coming into the NFL are crapshoot gambles, even Trevor Lawrence as No.1 overall (whose also considered a generational player) That includes ANY player that you are envisioning as a must-have defensive player.

- My insistence is if we select Pitts at 10th overall (i'm not moving key additional high picks for him- generational or not) much will depend upon how the coaches can scheme and
devise him in the pass game.
That will be on Kellen Moore, Moore has to scheme in the sense that Pitts is on the move and sprinting away from defenders, not just a move the chain TE.

 

[erod]

If the tight end falls to number 10 . I personally would do , whatever I had to do. To trade right back up in the first round to get one of the best corners. Next year’s first round and Gallup. And possibly maybe a second and . ? Yes I would give the farm away just like I was getting a quarterback.

Absolutely you take him.

But he'll be long gone by then.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him go top 5 or 6. He's the best player in this draft.

 

[quickccc]

IF IF IF HOPE IF IF IF IF I HOPE IF IF IF IF IF IF IF MIGHT HOPE IF IF IF

hes a parallels move if he doesnt make up for gallup, shultz and Jarwins production as one player. Can he ? i doubt it its hype homie all hype!!


IF ,

IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFs and Butts were candy and nuts , everyday would be Christmas..

got it

we dont need parallels move we need defensive help NOW , not move production around on offense and leave the defense exposed..i rather trade out of that spot because teams that want Pitts will give up more then the 10 spot is worth we can benefit far more movign out then keeping PItts IMO..

Im not against Pitts because i do know if that truly happens we will trade Gallup within the draft immediately making calls and coming out of camp Jarwin or Shultz will be moved as well.. but again that not truly an improvement , its changing production/targets to different players..

Gallup ,shultz were pretty productive last season given the circumstances and Jawrin has the upside and new deal he has yet to take a snap from so IMHO Pitts would need to be as good as 2 of them for sure..its a numbers game

I prefer moving out and taking defense a few spots down..

i get the point of wanting a strong push for a defense for a team that continues to have questions on defense- year after year.
I get the point that TE isn't a pure dire need for this Cowboys team.

With re-signing Cooper, and already having Gallup, we really did not need another WR especially one drafted extremely high and 1st round at that.
But it wasn’t about Need, more so as it was about Value

The Cowboys thought it as selecting a blue chip WR (who the club had as a top 6 overall player) and one that according to the value of their draft board, they simply could not pass up – just to take LSU edge rusher La’Vonn Chassion(sp) as many draftniks strongly proclaiming and Insistent that we were gonna take.
No one saw Lamb dropping that far down to the Cowboys

We were not gonna reach and take a defensive player just for the sake of taking defense. We were gonna take the best graded player on the board, and rebound with taking value in the next round which happened to be

CB Trevon Diggs, a guy that was said to be in strong consideration for a possible first round selection, .. we got " value " for him in the 2nd round.
Ironically just as we did for Lamb in the previous first round.

 

[Swagger]

Saw a mock yesterday that had Pitts going second.

If Pitts is such a great prospect he'll never last past the 5th pick.

But we'll see what really happens. Only have 23 more days...

"We'll see what really happens"
Classic and so true! All the jazz and talk is starting to do overtime although I'm interested by where he goes

 

[blueblood70]

i get the point of wanting a strong push for a defense for a team that continues to have questions on defense- year after year.
I get the point that TE isn't a pure dire need for this Cowboys team.

With re-signing Cooper, and already having Gallup, we really did not need another WR especially one drafted extremely high and 1st round at that.
But it wasn’t about Need, more so as it was about Value

The Cowboys thought it as selecting a blue chip WR (who the club had as a top 6 overall player) and one that according to the value of their draft board, they simply could not pass up – just to take LSU edge rusher La’Vonn Chassion(sp) as many draftniks strongly proclaiming and Insistent that we were gonna take.
No one saw Lamb dropping that far down to the Cowboys

We were not gonna reach and take a defensive player just for the sake of taking defense. We were gonna take the best graded player on the board, and rebound with taking value in the next round which happened to be

CB Trevon Diggs, a guy that was said to be in strong consideration for a possible first round selection, .. we got " value " for him in the 2nd round.
Ironically just as we did for Lamb in the previous first round.

but that factors in we took Lamb that was our ione time BPA offense over defense but ur choices were slim chaiisson vs Lamb ,no contest,

lets get this straight

Horn, Surtain, parsons, and farley are way above chaisson and very close to other players we will have choice..thats my point.. besides picking at 10 vs 17 far far different situation lamb falls to 17 and we need defense but our choices are developmental player vs Lamb come on a blind squirrel makes that pick././Pitts vs those four well tougher choice given they are worthy of being picked at 10 where as Chaisson was reach even at 17. he smacked of the Taco factor LOL

 

[Whirlwin]

We're at opposite ends of the spectrum here. Don't get me wrong, we're Cowboys fans, we want what's best for the team. So to me you're opinion is a valid one and not something I'd criticize because it's not a bad one. I just don't think your scenario has any possibility to happening.

Pitts isn't getting to #10 for several reasons. First, I'm thinking since Carolina traded for Darnold, they won't be in the QB market and is yet another team that can draft Pitts. And if Pitts ever gets past them, the Eagles will trade up with Denver. Or someone will to grab him. Pitts is never going to be on the board at #10.

I’m just thinking out loud my cowboy brother I don’t mind the criticism because that’s what this form is about

 

[Whirlwin]

Thank God you're not running our draft then.
I won't mind trading back into the 1st rd but trading the farm is reckless.
There are a good amount of solid CBs from everything I've read about this draft. No need to sell the farm.

I’ve been a fan since the 60s. I don’t mind the criticism. That’s what this form is about thinking out loud.

 

[Whirlwin]

Not if they are hyping up to be a " generational" TE.

i just wonder who was supposedly the last Generation TE that entered the NFL ?

I believe the Giants drafted him. Bill Parcells. And I just can’t remember his name.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If the tight end falls to number 10 . I personally would do , whatever I had to do. To trade right back up in the first round to get one of the best corners. Next year’s first round and Gallup. And possibly maybe a second and . ? Yes I would give the farm away just like I was getting a quarterback.

Pass on a TE with the 10th pick. If he is there, use his hype to get another 2nd rounder and trade down.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So Pitts will be passed by teams who'll take a tackle and cornerback before him? Doesn't seem likely...

Because TE is such a sought after position. And there have been no busts at TE in the last 6 years.

 

[Whirlwin]

Pass on a TE with the 10th pick. If he is there, use his hype to get another 2nd rounder and trade down.

At least were thinking

 

[stilltheguru]

how many threads do we need on one guy, one draft pick that most likely wont even be there? ridiculous

THE HYPE TRAIN IN FULL GO..

Lol it's funny. I like coming in here reading about the hall of fame lock Kyle Pitts

 

[Whirlwin]

Because TE is such a sought after position. And there have been no busts at TE in the last 6 years.

I forgot who The tight end was for the Giants. Between him and Gonzalez that hasn’t been a great one. Other than Gronkowski