If Roy was 15 lbs lighter would he

[SALADIN]

a better football player? Or is it such that he just is terribly poor in pass defense and tackling?

Roys a big hitter that comes with a "pedigre", whatever that means. However, outside of that what has he really done on the field to make this team better, let alone the 2ndary & defense.

I guess what I'm asking is that, with teams knowing that they can play 3 WR all game long against the Cowboys and have one or the other S covering a WR or RB, can Roy play on passing downs and be reliable or is he (at his weight and athletic ablility at that weight) a liability because he's almost a undersize Will backer?

I'm a Roy fan but he isn't getting it done.

 

[Wolverine]

Good post. I think if Roy played at 220 lbs he would be better. He would be faster in pc and cover ground faster. And he would still be able to bring the sick hits he does. I hope Parcells tells him he needs to be down to 220 for next year. If that does happen we will see a big improvement in Roy.

 

[SALADIN]

Good post. I think if Roy played at 220 lbs he would be better. He would be faster in pc and cover ground faster. And he would still be able to bring the sick hits he does. I hope Parcells tells him he needs to be down to 220 for next year. If that does happen we will see a big improvement in Roy.

210 would be fine with me, as long as when the offense changes the play at the line of scrimage (which will sometims happen in FOOTBALL) Roy is able to play the pass or run.

This all adds even more evidence that Woody should be in the H.O.F. Roy, as talented as he can be is still playing college football by making the occasional play here and there but his ledger is in the red.

Roys is a natual play maker but not at his current weight.

That surf that he rode in on from his college career is about to hit the beach and when its all said and done, in week 5 of the 2005 NFL season it seems to say that Roy isn't worth the 8th overall pick several years ago.

Roy may never be the SS that Woody was and we got Woody for a 3rd.

 

[K-Mart]

What does Dawkins play at? He's been the real deal and I think he plays similar to Roy in terms of aggresiveness. I could (hope) see them having similar careers.

 

[SALADIN]

What does Dawkins play at? He's been the real deal and I think he plays similar to Roy in terms of aggresiveness. I could (hope) see them having similar careers.

Funny that you mentioned Dawkins because he was the one said that Roy was too fat to play safety.

It Roy was conditioned like D-wood and was built like Woody was then we wouldn't be having this discussion!

Roy has a way’s to go before he can even live up to his hype.

??? Question,

Who was the last Cowboys player to be over hyped and over rated (besides Flo and L.A.)???

 

[K-Mart]

Funny that you mentioned Dawkins because he was the one said that Roy was too fat to play safety.

It Roy was conditioned like D-wood and was built like Woody was then we wouldn't be having this discussion!

Roy has a way’s to go before he can even live up to his hype.

??? Question,

Who was the last Cowboys player to be over hyped and over rated (besides Flo and L.A.)???

Don't know if LA is exactly over hyped or over rated. He might be the best all-time. I'd say the same about Flo until his career is over. He has a lot of football ahead of him. He'll be our starting LT for 5 more years, not bad for a 2nd rounder.

To answer your question though.... over hyped- Henson, considering the amount of football he has actually played. over rated- no question here- Joey Galloway is the most over rated player in football over the last 10 years and he has millions in his pocket for doing nothing.

 

[Jay9508]

Good post. I think if Roy played at 220 lbs he would be better. He would be faster in pc and cover ground faster. And he would still be able to bring the sick hits he does. I hope Parcells tells him he needs to be down to 220 for next year. If that does happen we will see a big improvement in Roy.

If Roy lost about ten pounds i think he would be alot better, in terms o f covering recievers. Remeber on his rookie year he was about 220-225 pounds and recorded 99 tackles(88 solo);5 interceptions;2 Defensive Touchdowns;2 sacks;3 fumbles forced, then the second year in the nfl, all of the sudden he's a 235 pound linebacker at safety and not playing that well ever since.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Funny that you mentioned Dawkins because he was the one said that Roy was too fat to play safety.

That's interesting, Saladin. When did he say that?

Roy is making Bill's prescribed weight, and Tuna is stickler for body fat and muscle mass numbers. I think if he thought Roy could play free safety level coverage by getting down a few pounds, it would have been done by now.

I'm kinda uneasy with the idea Roy is not playing to his potential because he can't push himself away from the table.

He's still to my mind a safety in the Lawyer Milloy-Rodney Harrison mold, which
is fine....as long as he's not asked to continually make his bones in deep coverage. He's not a corner-safety but an lb-safety body type, and I doubt his skill set would change much based on weight loss.

 

[AsthmaField]

and we got Woody for a 3rd.

We got Darren Woodson in the second round.

 

[Hiero]

ya ive been thinking teh same thing all year. Why has Roy been coming into camp too heavy the past twoyears. He should have learned after last year that he needed to lose some weight and get back some speed. I think he is just too worried about hitting too hard, that he doesnt wanna lose weight.

 

[Hoods]

His weight has nothing to do with any coverage deficiencies. He's not lacking speed or burst. He's lacking technique and the ability (that most strong safeties lack anyway).

 

[Awakened]

Don't know if LA is exactly over hyped or over rated. He might be the best all-time. I'd say the same about Flo until his career is over. He has a lot of football ahead of him. He'll be our starting LT for 5 more years, not bad for a 2nd rounder.

To answer your question though.... over hyped- Henson, considering the amount of football he has actually played. over rated- no question here- Joey Galloway is the most over rated player in football over the last 10 years and he has millions in his pocket for doing nothing.

LA had to be the worst player to make the Pro Bowl last year. He is still making the Pro Bowl based on the OL that he was 4 or 5 years ago. He is about 60% of what he used to be. Still just as powerful, but very limited mobility and agility.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I wish people would actually watch football players and look at tape on them before making uneducated statements.


Contrary to what seems like popular opinion, Williams has been terrific in coverage this year.

 

[JDSmith]

If Roy lost about ten pounds i think he would be alot better, in terms o f covering recievers. Remeber on his rookie year he was about 220-225 pounds and recorded 99 tackles(88 solo);5 interceptions;2 Defensive Touchdowns;2 sacks;3 fumbles forced, then the second year in the nfl, all of the sudden he's a 235 pound linebacker at safety and not playing that well ever since.

He's said himself that by the end of his rookie year he was pushing 240. Parcells has listed weights for players and they have weighins to see if they make them. As far as I know Roy plays at 228 now. He's considerably smaller than he was his rookie season.

 

[dal0789]

I have to agree with StanleYSpadowski,it seems like once players start to struggle all people do is rag on them and critizie them with nothin but what if's ands or buts.

 

[dallasfan31]

i think roy needs to lose some too he is too big than he willplay better i think.

 

[SALADIN]

I wish people would actually watch football players and look at tape on them before making uneducated statements.


Contrary to what seems like popular opinion, Williams has been terrific in coverage this year.

I know more about Cowboys football than you've forgoten. Your uneducated statement that Williams has been terrific in coverage this year is about as idiotic as it gets.

 

[SALADIN]

That's interesting, Saladin. When did he say that?

Roy is making Bill's prescribed weight, and Tuna is stickler for body fat and muscle mass numbers. I think if he thought Roy could play free safety level coverage by getting down a few pounds, it would have been done by now.

I'm kinda uneasy with the idea Roy is not playing to his potential because he can't push himself away from the table.

He's still to my mind a safety in the Lawyer Milloy-Rodney Harrison mold, which
is fine....as long as he's not asked to continually make his bones in deep coverage. He's not a corner-safety but an lb-safety body type, and I doubt his skill set would change much based on weight loss.

This was about 2 years ago. The comment was posted on this forum before it split in two on draft day two years ago.

I'm not saying Roy is fat but it looks like he still has quite a bit of baby fat on him. :laugh2:

He may never be built like Woody but there's no doubt in my mind that if he lost 15-20 lbs without losing his strenght then he could be a lot better in coverage.

 

[SALADIN]

We got Darren Woodson in the second round.

I stand corrected.

 

[Alexander]

This was about 2 years ago. The comment was posted on this forum before it split in two on draft day two years ago.

I'm not saying Roy is fat but it looks like he still has quite a bit of baby fat on him. :laugh2:

He may never be built like Woody but there's no doubt in my mind that if he lost 15-20 lbs without losing his strenght then he could be a lot better in coverage.

I think he was just as fat when he was a rookie, if not more. I remember watching his pudgy self running down the sidelines with an int against Washington and wonder how the hell he could move that fast carrying the spare tire.

He is being saddled with too much responsibility as far as I can guess. We have what amounts to nothing next to him and he feels pressured. He is not in his comfort zone and it shows.