If Roy was 15 lbs lighter would he

[dargonking999]

If Roy was 15 pounds lighter, then his hits would be 15 pounds lighter. if there wasa problem with his weight. BP woudl have let him now. Roy isnt a cover safety, plain and simple, never has been and wont be. He is a hitter a guy who delivers the boom on WR, and RB. the 15 pounds that you want him to lose, will take away from his strengh in hitting.

 

[SALADIN]

If Roy was 15 pounds lighter, then his hits would be 15 pounds lighter. if there wasa problem with his weight. BP woudl have let him now. Roy isnt a cover safety, plain and simple, never has been and wont be. He is a hitter a guy who delivers the boom on WR, and RB. the 15 pounds that you want him to lose, will take away from his strengh in hitting.

Losing weight does not = losing strength. Ask your personal trainer and if you don't have one then I'm availible for a small fee

Athletes do it ALL the time in every sport to improve their explosiveness, quickness and speed.

Saying that Roy is not a cover safety says it all. The #1 responsibility of any DB is pass defense and if you can't defend the pass (in zone or man coverage) then you are a liability to the defense.

b.t.w. Roy has missed his share of tackles this year also.

 

[JDSmith]

This was about 2 years ago. The comment was posted on this forum before it split in two on draft day two years ago.

I'm not saying Roy is fat but it looks like he still has quite a bit of baby fat on him. :laugh2:

He may never be built like Woody but there's no doubt in my mind that if he lost 15-20 lbs without losing his strenght then he could be a lot better in coverage.

I guess the question is, why hasn't Parcells figured that out. Because he's the one dictating weights on the team. He's the one who knows what the players actually weigh. He's the one who knows what they weighed when he arrived. If Roy had bulked up, or not made the weight Parcells determined to be best for him, wouldn't Bill have noticed?

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Why are so many people down on RW?? He is a great player. He is terror on the field. I bet ya, that when the offense walks up to the line, the first person the QB is looking for is 31! He has not blown coverages this year, despite what people think. He has gotten beat though, but lets remember, the guys on the other side of the field are professionals too.They get paid to win , just like our guys. No player is so good he don't get beat occassionally. Get over yourself and study the game a little. Roy is doing a good job back there. And when we get Davis up to speed and he starts playing consistent, then you can look for RW to be even better. That's what made Roy so effecive his first year, he had woody on the other side and could just play football. Now he has to stay back and read more. That's not his fault.

 

[SALADIN]

I guess the question is, why hasn't Parcells figured that out. Because he's the one dictating weights on the team. He's the one who knows what the players actually weigh. He's the one who knows what they weighed when he arrived. If Roy had bulked up, or not made the weight Parcells determined to be best for him, wouldn't Bill have noticed?

What I'm saying is that Roy is the same player who was a biscut away from being a LB a few years ago.

Roy's weight hasn't changed much since his rookie year and all I'm saying is that if he came into the season a little lighter then maybe he would do better trying to cover WR's and RB's (Westbrook? : ) downfield.

b.t.w. Parcells has never seen Roy get beat this badly since he's been here in 3 years.

 

[SALADIN]

Why are so many people down on RW?? He is a great player. He is terror on the field. I bet ya, that when the offense walks up to the line, the first person the QB is looking for is 31! He has not blown coverages this year, despite what people think. He has gotten beat though, but lets remember, the guys on the other side of the field are professionals too.They get paid to win , just like our guys. No player is so good he don't get beat occassionally. Get over yourself and study the game a little. Roy is doing a good job back there. And when we get Davis up to speed and he starts playing consistent, then you can look for RW to be even better. That's what made Roy so effecive his first year, he had woody on the other side and could just play football. Now he has to stay back and read more. That's not his fault.

I'm not down on Roy but anytime a player isn't playing up to his ability then I will call him out.

The fact is that Roy could be playing a LOT better than he has this year.

 

[SALADIN]

I have to agree with StanleYSpadowski,it seems like once players start to struggle all people do is rag on them and critizie them with nothin but what if's ands or buts.

Or all they have to do is watch the game. It’s foolish and presumptuous to assume that I haven't watched Roy in coverage. Unless STAAAAANLY has actual game tape shared by teams then he and YOU have no more information about coverage schemes than I do.

Also, when is a player supposed to criticize???

When he's having a Pro Bowl season, when he's making plays all over the field? Or when he's not playing to his expectation and ability?

Really, when should players be criticized?

Roy is my my favorite player on this team however, he's not god.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Roy is not playing badly this year. Look at Keith Davis if you want to blame the big plays on somebody. Those were not Roy's coverages in the Washington game, and you can't put any of the other big passing plays on him. Let's get a real free safety who can play his coverages, and see where we are.

 

[Martice]

Or all they have to do is watch the game. It’s foolish and presumptuous to assume that I haven't watched Roy in coverage. Unless STAAAAANLY has actual game tape shared by teams then he and YOU have no more information about coverage schemes than I do.

Also, when is a player supposed to criticize???

When he's having a Pro Bowl season, when he's making plays all over the field? Or when he's not playing to his expectation and ability?

Really, when should players be criticized?

Roy is my my favorite player on this team however, he's not god.

I'm not so sure about this Saladin. I've been watching the same games as you and other than the Commanders game, I think Roy has been doing fine in coverage. As far as his weight goes, he is listed at 226lb.. I am not sure that I would like to see Roy go down any further than that regardless of how fast he can become.

Can Roy do a better job of tackling? Yes. However, I see not many were upset with his hitting style a couple of years ago. In fact, his style of playing is what spawned the now famous "BOOM" video we have all come to know and love.

Point blank, as soon as our FS position is stabilized, will we see the terror at SS that we've all come to love. Until then, you will see a slightly conservative and disciplined Roy due to the overall level of play in our secondary. We learned that lesson in the Washington game. Proof of that is the Raider game that kept Roy playing deep for support against Moss.

Comparing Roy to Woody is silly because they both have different skill sets, body types, strengths and weaknesses. Roy is what he is and for those (maybe not you) who are suggesting that he is overrated are seriously wrong on that suggestion and may need to recognize that their ability to assess talent is indeed overrated and possibly non existent.

 

[dargonking999]

I'm not so sure about this Saladin. I've been watching the same games as you and other than the Commanders game, I think Roy has been doing fine in coverage. As far as his weight goes, he is listed at 226lb.. I am not sure that I would like to see Roy go down any further than that regardless of how fast he can become.

Can Roy do a better job of tackling? Yes. However, I see not many were upset with his hitting style a couple of years ago. In fact, his style of playing is what spawned the now famous "BOOM" video we have all come to know and love.

Point blank, as soon as our FS position is stabilized, will we see the terror at SS that we've all come to love. Until then, you will see a slightly conservative and disciplined Roy due to the overall level of play in our secondary. We learned that lesson in the Washington game. Proof of that is the Raider game that kept Roy playing deep for support against Moss.

Comparing Roy to Woody is silly because they both have different skill sets, body types, strengths and weaknesses. Roy is what he is and for those (maybe not you) who are suggesting that he is overrated are seriously wrong on that suggestion and may need to recognize that their ability to assess talent is indeed overrated and possibly non existent.

you get the award for best post of the thread

 

[SALADIN]

I'm not so sure about this Saladin. I've been watching the same games as you and other than the Commanders game, I think Roy has been doing fine in coverage. As far as his weight goes, he is listed at 226lb.. I am not sure that I would like to see Roy go down any further than that regardless of how fast he can become.

Can Roy do a better job of tackling? Yes. However, I see not many were upset with his hitting style a couple of years ago. In fact, his style of playing is what spawned the now famous "BOOM" video we have all come to know and love.

Point blank, as soon as our FS position is stabilized, will we see the terror at SS that we've all come to love. Until then, you will see a slightly conservative and disciplined Roy due to the overall level of play in our secondary. We learned that lesson in the Washington game. Proof of that is the Raider game that kept Roy playing deep for support against Moss.

Comparing Roy to Woody is silly because they both have different skill sets, body types, strengths and weaknesses. Roy is what he is and for those (maybe not you) who are suggesting that he is overrated are seriously wrong on that suggestion and may need to recognize that their ability to assess talent is indeed overrated and possibly non existent.

Good post Martice! I am a harder on Roy than I would be with other players because of how much I supported him being worth the #8 overall pick in the 2002 draft.

Roy has been a big hitter and that's cool for Sportscenter and Monday Night Countdown's "you got jacked up" but I'd much rather see him wrap up and bring the player down.

As great a player Roy is, I just expect to see more from him.

 

[Teague31]

forgot losing weight, he needs to add 15 pounds and move to OLB.

 

[SALADIN]

forgot losing weight, he needs to add 15 pounds and move to OLB.

Roy may be headed that way...but even Will-backers have to cover.

 

[Martice]

Good post Martice! I am a harder on Roy than I would be with other players because of how much I supported him being worth the #8 overall pick in the 2002 draft.

Roy has been a big hitter and that's cool for Sportscenter and Monday Night Countdown's "you got jacked up" but I'd much rather see him wrap up and bring the player down.

As great a player Roy is, I just expect to see more from him.

With all do respect, I just do see the level of concern thrown towards Roy's covering ablility.

Could he be better? Yes.

Is he the reason that we struggling on pass defense this year?

I haven't seen anything near conclusive that suggests that HE (ROY) is the reason for the multiple game, long pass plays that we've allowed. In fact, each game it seems to be a different culprit that was responsible for a man coming free or a tackle not being made. The Raiders did not go to Roy's side a lot of that game and out of respect for Moss's ability, Roy had to play the outfield for most of the game. If Roy would've been able to cheat up a little, Jordan probably would not have run for the amount of yards that he did against us.

I don't see the where Roy's cover skills are holding this defense back at all. At least to the point that many are suggesting.

 

[zagnut]

Losing weight does not = losing strength. Ask your personal trainer and if you don't have one then I'm availible for a small fee

Athletes do it ALL the time in every sport to improve their explosiveness, quickness and speed.

Saying that Roy is not a cover safety says it all. The #1 responsibility of any DB is pass defense and if you can't defend the pass (in zone or man coverage) then you are a liability to the defense.

b.t.w. Roy has missed his share of tackles this year also.

He probably would not lose enough hitting power for anyone to notice, but losing weight does = losing hitting strength (force). Ask your personal high school physics teacher and if you don't have one then I'm availible for a small fee (I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.)

F=M*a (Newton's Second Law)

Losing weight would also impact Newton's 3rd Law covering the transfer of momentum/energy. Less mass means Roy absorbs more of the tackle impact instead of transferring most of energy to the ball carrier. Other physics are involved, but F=M*a is a big one.

Losing 15 pounds would not matter if he could compensate by increasing his speed equally, but that might not be possible.

 

[dbair1967]

what a horrendous thread..."Roy Williams is fat and sux" and "Larry Allen is overhyped and overrated"

yeah, alot of NFL people would be right with you there

David

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I know more about Cowboys football than you've forgoten. Your uneducated statement that Williams has been terrific in coverage this year is about as idiotic as it gets.

Don't allow facts to get in the way of your infantile, uninformed opinion. Put up or shut up. Where and when has Williams been less than terrific in coverage this year?


Before you espouse your brain-numbing drivel you should do a little research.