If Rush got all 1st team reps like Dak, would he have similar impact as Dak?

[khiladi]

Agreed I always thought Dak had adequate arm strength.
But the fact that he hesitates and holds the ball too long. Causes some problems.

It's a small sample size but Rush seems decisive and confident in his throws.
He gets the ball out quick and hits the receivers in stride this is pleasant to watch.
Continually watching the ball be thrown behind receivers because of hesitation is frustrating after a while

Also Rush seems to use the middle of the field a lot more.

Dak basically throws the sideline curl routes and go routes really well, when he’s playing his best ball. But those are generally the early reads. If he has to go through his progressions, he generally defaults immediately to his check-down, which kept his INTs in check but leaves a lot on the field and doesn’t threaten any good defense. He doesn’t throw when he has to anticipate, being way to cautious.

He’s just too slow at processing the field. He can be accurate when he’s throwing fast and not thinking too much, which explains why he can put up numbers in garbage time better than a lot of QBs.

That’s the Jekyll-Hyde of Dak, which explains the probably wide discrepancy of opinions on him.

As I said before, he’d be the best or one of the best back-up QBs in the league as he can win games to keep a team afloat when their starting QB goes down. He would have carved himself out a niche for himself on any roster as a back-up. Even if he eventually gets benched, but he decides to keep playing, he will always find a spot on a team. He has valuable tools for any roster from that perspective.

 

[TexasBoys2288]

I think the offense is better with Cooper Rush. Remember, Cooper played last years super bowl runner up not the Giants or Skins. They have a lot of really good players. The first half was almost perfect. I don't know what happened in the second half. It looked like Moore took a page from the Garret playbook on how to protect a 14 point lead with a mere 2 quarters remaining. Instead of play action, he was calling these runs right up the middle that were very predictable. Its unfortunate, but Zeke doesn't have the speed to bounce it outside. So, when he's in the game on a running down, the defense pretty much knows the run is going between the tackles.

What caught my eyeball was Cooper's decision making and accuracy, both better than Dak has shown. Lol, even Cooper's tipped balls seem more accurate.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Fans…..sad. You cannot compare Dak and Cooper Rush based on a game vs the TB defense with inexperienced starters and a game against the Bengals defense with guys getting their second start.

The game plan was better. Our defense allowed fewer points. The TB defense produced much better pass rush, run defense, and coverage. Rush is what he is. A QB that was on the practice squad all summer until last week. Let’s give him credit. Let’s give Noah Brown credit. But let’s not be silly. Cooper Rush is not in the same hemisphere as a QB. Just stop it!

I guess if he gets another win, we will start the discussion of whether Rush is elite or not, if he belongs inthe top 10, top 15, or top 20? No, we won’t.

As with a few others on this thread you seem to miss the point, that nobody believes Rush is anything above back-up standard....however its an improvement on what Dak showed since that fateful Denver game.
Dak will obviously get another chance, but we've seen an Offense without Dak and it wasn't the catastrophe we've been led to expect.
It's up to Dak, but many wonder whether he has the ability or mental make-up to stand up and overcome the challenge.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

What Rush accomplished is that he exposed the weaknesses of Dak once and for all that the latter’s unbelievers have been ranting about for years.

He made Dak’s weaknesses regarding poor, if any, lack of anticipation, holding onto the ball way too long, poor mechanics and pocket presence very clear for all see that they cannot deny, when the roster surrounding the QBs is the same.

There is a reason they never let Romo compete for his job back or work with the starting team anymore, because the difference was as clear as the difference between night and day. Dak has a weak psyche too and he folds like a deer staring into the headlights when the pressure rises, meaning the Jones boys in collaboration with Garrett basically ruined a short SB window for the mediocre QB on a hot streak with a loaded roster. Dak could have never handled Romo looking over his shoulder.

And now they are stuck in a NO-TRADE clause of a 160 million dollar contract for a mediocre QB.

We still have a bunch of people with hurt feelings this morning. Grudging admitting Cooper played well but "he's no Dak".

Well thank god for that!

 

[Blackrain]

I get we’re all excited about Rush winning but seriously, Dak at his best is better than Rush at his best.

I think we can all agree on that The problem is Dak hasn't been near his best since Midway through last season.

After a full off season with nothing to rehab and a full training camp to concentrate on his game Dak came in to the game against Tampa Bay and did not look good. Same problems this last year.

Conversely Cooper Rush came into the game against the super bowl runner-ups and looked good again like he did when he played Minnesota

 

[charron]

Lets see if KM can call a few more games like yesterday. It wasnt all rush bring improv out there. The playcalling was good a d they were able to execute. In the 2nd half did cinci have them figured out or was km back to being conservative exluding the final drive?

 

[khiladi]

We still have a bunch of people with hurt feelings this morning. Grudging admitting Cooper played well but "he's no Dak".

Well thank god for that!

I get a kick out of those acting all reflective, like they expect us to forget they basically declared Dak the next coming of Brady and that they didn’t trash any take that he wasn’t on the level of a guy like Mahomes or Herbert, though Herbert is just getting started. At least they can keep their comparisons of Dak to Rush now and not embarrass themselves by mentioning him among real talents.

 

[America's Cowboy]

One can smell the toxic levels of desperation around here.

 

[GINeric]

If Cooper Rush got all of the 1st team reps and attention that Dak got would he have a similar impact on a football game that Dak has and if so would he be much cheaper allowing us to put a better team on the field around him?


Of course Dak is better but if Rush had the same opportunities as Dak is the gap between them so narrow that it doesn’t make a difference between the two?

Keep in mind that Dak has 1 playoff win as a starter and he has done a lot of stat padding on weak teams.

As far as the one playoff win.... There are many great quarterbacks who've had only one playoff win in the same time frame of 5 and 6 complete seasons just like Dak so lets through that weak attempt to disrespect the man out the window.

Dak has also put up good numbers against good teams and put us in position to win games against good teams, but our defense let us down in those games and we loss. Last year against the Bucs and games against the Packers, etc are prime examples. Its hard to beat good or bad teams when you lead the league in penalties.

Look at how our defense almost ****ed up the good game Rush had yesterday. That has happened to Dak many times. He plays well and then the opposing team benefits from our penalties or the defenses ability to make a stop. THAT SAME THING ALMOST HAPPENED TO RUSH YESTERDAY!!!

With that said, I think Rush may be developing a hot hand right now and I say leave him in there until he cools off. BUT... we'll see what Rush is REALLY made of once he has multiple games of tape for defensive coordinators to game plan against him. I want to see how he responds to that. But I love his aggressiveness and I got Rush's back.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Rush is top 10.

 

[visionary]

If Cooper Rush got all of the 1st team reps and attention that Dak got would he have a similar impact on a football game that Dak has and if so would he be much cheaper allowing us to put a better team on the field around him?


Of course Dak is better but if Rush had the same opportunities as Dak is the gap between them so narrow that it doesn’t make a difference between the two?

Keep in mind that Dak has 1 playoff win as a starter and he has done a lot of stat padding on weak teams.

Rush played well and is a better thrower of the ball than Dak however I don’t think he is a long term starter and I think he will get exposed as the games go on and teams get more film on his tendencies. None of this changes my opinion that we need to trade Dak and draft or sign a starter next year based on what the new HC wants

 

[Wangchung83]

Fans…..sad. You cannot compare Dak and Cooper Rush based on a game vs the TB defense with inexperienced starters and a game against the Bengals defense with guys getting their second start.

The game plan was better. Our defense allowed fewer points. The TB defense produced much better pass rush, run defense, and coverage. Rush is what he is. A QB that was on the practice squad all summer until last week. Let’s give him credit. Let’s give Noah Brown credit. But let’s not be silly. Cooper Rush is not in the same hemisphere as a QB. Just stop it!

I guess if he gets another win, we will start the discussion of whether Rush is elite or not, if he belongs inthe top 10, top 15, or top 20? No, we won’t.

Lol..seriously the TB defense is good enough for our top 10 QB not to get it in the red zone and literally play the most boring game of all time. If you like that then go ahead and follow Dakota to another team. He’s given me six years of misery and I’m not the only cowboy ready for a change.

 

[Brax]

If Cooper Rush got all of the 1st team reps and attention that Dak got would he have a similar impact on a football game that Dak has and if so would he be much cheaper allowing us to put a better team on the field around him?


Of course Dak is better but if Rush had the same opportunities as Dak is the gap between them so narrow that it doesn’t make a difference between the two?

Keep in mind that Dak has 1 playoff win as a starter and he has done a lot of stat padding on weak teams.

Maybe the answer is as simple as start Rush against the good teams and let Dak start and beat up the weak sister teams.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

This happens often with backups who havent played much. The NFL only has two games of film on Rush. Eventually defensive coordinators will catch up to him and exploit his weaknesses and expose him as the backup level QB he is. I’m not being critical, he’s done everything he’s supposed to do and more. But his arm and skills are average.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If Cooper Rush got all of the 1st team reps and attention that Dak got would he have a similar impact on a football game that Dak has and if so would he be much cheaper allowing us to put a better team on the field around him?


Of course Dak is better but if Rush had the same opportunities as Dak is the gap between them so narrow that it doesn’t make a difference between the two?

Keep in mind that Dak has 1 playoff win as a starter and he has done a lot of stat padding on weak teams.

here we go!!!! Lol

 

[tomsanders921]

What Rush accomplished is that he exposed the weaknesses of Dak once and for all that the latter’s unbelievers have been ranting about for years.

He made Dak’s weaknesses regarding poor, if any, lack of anticipation, holding onto the ball way too long, poor mechanics and pocket presence very clear for all see that they cannot deny, when the roster surrounding the QBs is the same.

There is a reason they never let Romo compete for his job back or work with the starting team anymore, because the difference was as clear as the difference between night and day. Dak has a weak psyche too and he folds like a deer staring into the headlights when the pressure rises, meaning the Jones boys in collaboration with Garrett basically ruined a short SB window for the mediocre QB on a hot streak with a loaded roster. Dak could have never handled Romo looking over his shoulder.

And now they are stuck in a NO-TRADE clause of a 160 million dollar contract for a mediocre QB.

The no trade clause can be waived by Dak if he wants to be traded.

Not going to happen. But if somehow he gets benched and wants out they can trade him to a team if he approves it.

 

[G2]

Remember when Dak got an extremely rare opportunity to take over as starter when Romo was out a season?

This is nothing like that.
When players return from injury, they're taking back over. If it wasn't for the defense we're 0-2. Matter of time before Rush gets firgured out.
But hey, we know we can run the ball, so keep doing that.

 

[G2]

Maybe the answer is as simple as start Rush against the good teams and let Dak start and beat up the weak sister teams.

That's ridiculous.

 

[GINeric]

Lets see if KM can call a few more games like yesterday. It wasnt all rush bring improv out there. The playcalling was good a d they were able to execute. In the 2nd half did cinci have them figured out or was km back to being conservative exluding the final drive?

Moore played his *** off. Like I said before, I believe he's developing a hot hand right now and deserves to start even after Dak heals up if he's on a roll.

With that said, if Moore dialed up more running game like he did yesterday, Dak would have the same results, if not better. Yesterday we had a pretty BALANCED attack. Why not call the same gameplan for Dak to keep defenses off balance???

 

[Blast From The Past]

Having more arm strength than Rush is not an intangible. Dak has decent arm strength, but it’s not anywhere near elite level, plus his release is way too slow and he often gets caught throwing duds off his back foot.

And his decision making seems a tad bit slow as to where he wants to throw it to instead of ripping it. We've all witnessed this time and again with Dak. Don't know if Rush or Grier are our answers at qb but I think we need to find one next year for the future of this team. Develop a higher drafted qb and have no eras like when trying to replace Troy to happen again.