If the Big 12 added two teams...who would you want?

[Rogah]

Brigham Young and Southern Methodist.

 

[jterrell]

I don't see Nebraska or Arkansas coming over. Big 10 and SEC are paying too much money. I don't think they will leave it, although, I would love to see Arkansas come home. They were originally a SWC team and it would be nice to see them back but not going to happen IMO.

Money isn't really a factor.
The Big 12 paid out 26.2 mil per school, the Big 10 26.5 mil. That difference was almost all because of NCAA basketball tourney success.

The SEC's rich new tv deal will jump it to the top but not by much because the added teams dilute the per team payout.

A big reason the Big 12 is stuck on 10 teams is they lost ZERO dollars. They actually made the 8 hold over members a lot more money as TCU and WVA were partial earners.

When the deals expire around 2024 looks for the conferences to group renegotiate their own mega-deal that could be worth as much and maybe more than the NFL.(especially if they'll expand the playoffs)

 

[jterrell]

Nebraska will never leave the BIG until the Big 12 can match the $ they get. BIG revenue shares are up to 32 million per school. It will go up even more with the new BIG tv contract up.

Nebraska would make more in the Big 12.
Those numbers that get released do not include tier 3 rights for the Big 12 which each member can sell themselves. Nebraska would obviously earn more than 300K off it's 3rd tier rights.

Big 10 and Big 12 are basically even PER SCHOOL except the Big 12 has additional 3rd tier rights.

The SEC is king now because it signed it's tv deal last. But it also has 3rd tier rights factored in.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

SMU, & Cincy

 

[jobberone]

5? In that case bring back Colorado, Missouri.....

MO won't leave the SEC IMO. I like Boise St and BYU best. CT not bad idea nor is Colorado. USF and /or UCF ok as well.

 

[Fletch]

Read the rules again.

Rules are meant to be broken. A&M never should've left. A&M and LSU or Arkansas. If that ain't cool enough, Nebraska and Colorado.

Now lock this puppy down.

 

[Fletch]

Texas A&M
I miss the Aggie_Longhorns matchups.

Notre Dame.

Yes! I always loved the rivalry between the Ags and Longhorns.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Money isn't really a factor.
The Big 12 paid out 26.2 mil per school, the Big 10 26.5 mil. That difference was almost all because of NCAA basketball tourney success.

The SEC's rich new tv deal will jump it to the top but not by much because the added teams dilute the per team payout.

A big reason the Big 12 is stuck on 10 teams is they lost ZERO dollars. They actually made the 8 hold over members a lot more money as TCU and WVA were partial earners.

When the deals expire around 2024 looks for the conferences to group renegotiate their own mega-deal that could be worth as much and maybe more than the NFL.(especially if they'll expand the playoffs)

Money is a huge factor. Revenue from Sports is relatively small amount each Big 10 school receives. The big money is in Government Research grants etc. The Big 10 gets way more money from those things then they do from Sports. The Big 10 is easily the most lucrative affiliation there is. It's not just about sports, it's all the rest. Nebraska aint leaving the Big 10 unless they are booted IMO.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Money is a huge factor. Revenue from Sports is relatively small amount each Big 10 school receives. The big money is in Government Research grants etc. The Big 10 gets way more money from those things then they do from Sports. The Big 10 is easily the most lucrative affiliation there is. It's not just about sports, it's all the rest. Nebraska aint leaving the Big 10 unless they are booted IMO.

and Colorado ain't leaving the pac 12, unless booted... (and they way they've been playing, that's possible..lol)

 

[jterrell]

MO won't leave the SEC IMO. I like Boise St and BYU best. CT not bad idea nor is Colorado. USF and /or UCF ok as well.

no, the big 12 doesn't want colorado at all.
they were very happy to see them move to the Pac.

best realistic options literally are ARK and NEB but that almost certainly wouldn't be happening until 2020 or further out
shorter-term if they expand, cincy and usf make sense geographically.
it is a shame there isn't a top notch second louisiana school.
BYU is biggest name and only chance at more money but they are a major headache to work with.

Money is a huge factor. Revenue from Sports is relatively small amount each Big 10 school receives. The big money is in Government Research grants etc. The Big 10 gets way more money from those things then they do from Sports. The Big 10 is easily the most lucrative affiliation there is. It's not just about sports, it's all the rest. Nebraska aint leaving the Big 10 unless they are booted IMO.

That isnt based on conference AT ALL. The top receiver is Johns Hopkins... in what conference?

Nebraska moving helped them achieve tier I status(they started that process as a big 12 member) but now that they have it they can change conferences with no reason for loss of research grants. They have to re-apply for funding regularly and there is no pat amount for each school in a conference.
Michigan is the only school in the Big 10 that is in the top 10 for government or overall research funding. Same as the Big 12's 1 school. (Tho Baylor is surging up lists)

Research grant money is tied to specific things so it isn't like revenue from a TV deal.

Nebraska trumpeted about that in switching because it is catchy and people buy in to sound bites.

UT has MUCH more in research grant money than Nebraska.
http://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/

The Big 10 is not a vastly superior conference financially currently so that point is very much moot and I'd suggest some research there if you believe otherwise.

What Nebraska does is anyone's guess at this point but the fan base would overwhelmingly welcome a return the to the Big 12 if polls can be believed.
It's not like Kansas State coach Snyder just invented them as name to publicly drop; you can bet there have been backdoor discussions at some level.

Nebraska was mad about being second fiddle to Texas only to find they are now an also ran consideration well after Michigan and Ohio State.
They get Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern every year and one good match up with Wisconsin.
They recruit Cali JUCO's and Texas High schools but seldom if ever can get meaningful games in those states now.

 

[jterrell]

and Colorado ain't leaving the pac 12, unless booted... (and they way they've been playing, that's possible..lol)

The Big 12 wouldn't take Colorado back at all.
They were very glad they left.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

no, the big 12 doesn't want colorado at all.
they were very happy to see them move to the Pac.

best realistic options literally are ARK and NEB but that almost certainly wouldn't be happening until 2020 or further out
shorter-term if they expand, cincy and usf make sense geographically.
it is a shame there isn't a top notch second louisiana school.
BYU is biggest name and only chance at more money but they are a major headache to work with.


That isnt based on conference AT ALL. The top receiver is Johns Hopkins... in what conference?

Nebraska moving helped them achieve tier I status(they started that process as a big 12 member) but now that they have it they can change conferences with no reason for loss of research grants. They have to re-apply for funding regularly and there is no pat amount for each school in a conference.
Michigan is the only school in the Big 10 that is in the top 10 for government or overall research funding. Same as the Big 12's 1 school. (Tho Baylor is surging up lists)

Research grant money is tied to specific things so it isn't like revenue from a TV deal.

Nebraska trumpeted about that in switching because it is catchy and people buy in to sound bites.

UT has MUCH more in research grant money than Nebraska.
http://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/

The Big 10 is not a vastly superior conference financially currently so that point is very much moot and I'd suggest some research there if you believe otherwise.

What Nebraska does is anyone's guess at this point but the fan base would overwhelmingly welcome a return the to the Big 12 if polls can be believed.
It's not like Kansas State coach Snyder just invented them as name to publicly drop; you can bet there have been backdoor discussions at some level.

Nebraska was mad about being second fiddle to Texas only to find they are now an also ran consideration well after Michigan and Ohio State.
They get Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern every year and one good match up with Wisconsin.
They recruit Cali JUCO's and Texas High schools but seldom if ever can get meaningful games in those states now.

None of this matters at all. The fact of the matter is that Nebraska is making way more money in the Big 10 then they ever did in the Big 8 or Big 12. Does Johns Hopkins share revenue because the Big 10 does and not just shared sports revenue. That's the point. Nebraska makes more money because of it's affiliation in the Big 10 then they would if they were still in the Big 12.

I believe that Michigan is #2 in the country, Wisconsin 3, Minnesota 14, Penn State 18, Ohio State 19, Northwestern 28, Purdue 32, Illinois 33. MSU 36, Maryland 37, Iowa 42, Rutgers 46. That's 12 of the 14 schools in the Big 10 on the top 50 list of Federal Funding.

 

[jterrell]

None of this matters at all. The fact of the matter is that Nebraska is making way more money in the Big 10 then they ever did in the Big 8 or Big 12. Does Johns Hopkins share revenue because the Big 10 does and not just shared sports revenue. That's the point. Nebraska makes more money because of it's affiliation in the Big 10 then they would if they were still in the Big 12.

I believe that Michigan is #2 in the country, Wisconsin 3, Minnesota 14, Penn State 18, Ohio State 19, Northwestern 28, Purdue 32, Illinois 33. MSU 36, Maryland 37, Iowa 42, Rutgers 46. That's 12 of the 14 schools in the Big 10 on the top 50 list of Federal Funding.

Nebraska technically makes zero more federal money for being in the Big 10.
They make more because they reached tier 1 research school status.
They trumpeted the academic status because what else were they gonna say.
The Big 10 pushes all it schools to reach tier 1 status. That is correct.

They have the CIC which is overblown. The CIC doesn't solicit federal funds but does offer some professor and library exchange type benefits(and 1 to 1 course credit transfers).
For a non Tier 1 school it would be VERY useful to have the CIC.

Again, Notre Dame told the Big 10 to take a hike numerous times. That was a financial decision. They recruit Big 10 country and like Big 10 opponents. They are in Big 10 country. But they said beat it. Repeatedly to semi-join the ACC.

No conference affiliation prevents that tier 1 status or discourages it. Nebraska would be at zero risk of losing Tier 1 status for leaving the Big 10.

EVERY member of the Big 12 right now makes 50% or more than they did when Nebraska was still in the conference. Arguing Nebraska makes more now is saying absolutely nothing.

Nebraska is making plenty of money. So is everyone else in a P5.
Once the ACC lured ND and settled it's financial woes the P5 conferences are all very rich.
Moving will be far less about money now and far more about fit and brand name.

Nebraska fans are VERY unhappy with their Big 10 schedule.

This is a blog post affiliated with Michigan that explains things nicely.
You could use the research so you arent just saying things off the cuff that are not necessarily accurate.
http://www.maizenbrew.com/2010/6/10/1511330/big-ten-expansion-and-the-cic-are

Right now with total dollars incoming it is SEC ahead than the Big 10 and Big 12 essentially even.(Big 12 schools with massive 3rd tier rights like UT and OU come out ahead, others like Texas Tech behind) The Pac and ACC are a bit behind but not enough to make a conference swap a consideration solely based on money. All the P5 conferences have taken care of the money.

Nebraska would be making it's decision based upon athletic and fan base considerations if they leave.
Academic advisers would love to remain put. They don't travel to away games and could probably care less.

 

[jterrell]

None of this matters at all. The fact of the matter is that Nebraska is making way more money in the Big 10 then they ever did in the Big 8 or Big 12. Does Johns Hopkins share revenue because the Big 10 does and not just shared sports revenue. That's the point. Nebraska makes more money because of it's affiliation in the Big 10 then they would if they were still in the Big 12.

I believe that Michigan is #2 in the country, Wisconsin 3, Minnesota 14, Penn State 18, Ohio State 19, Northwestern 28, Purdue 32, Illinois 33. MSU 36, Maryland 37, Iowa 42, Rutgers 46. That's 12 of the 14 schools in the Big 10 on the top 50 list of Federal Funding.

The Big 10 does not share research revenue any more than John Hopkins, Harvard or Stanford.
That money can NOT be shared.
It has to be applied for and spent on specific research studies.
Michigan has significantly more research money than any other Big 10 school.

Most schools research money is based on large endowments that allow them to maintain a top notch faculty that draws huge research dollars.

 

[Rogah]

I used to have a Friday-after-Thanksgiving tradition where I would lose money on the Colorado-Nebraska game. Year after year, invariably, whomever I chose, the other team whupped that team's butt.

I miss those days.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I used to have a Friday-after-Thanksgiving tradition where I would lose money on the Colorado-Nebraska game. Year after year, invariably, whomever I chose, the other team whupped that team's butt.

I miss those days.

I read somewhere that a fool and his money soon depart . . . . . . . . not sure if it applies in this case . . . . . . . . .