If the salary cap is truly history come 2010...

Silverstar

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then isn't Jerry and the Cowboys franchise basically in the drivers seat...even now?

I mean does Jerry and Stephen really need to watch our cap at this point when looking at FA's come March?

Surely, Stephen can now backload any contract to simply stay under the 2009 cap. What I'm saying is are players like Peppers, Haynesworth and Lewis really out of our reach?


Thoughts?

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Does anyone really believe that the cap will be done away with?

Is this a possibility or just a wishful thinking type of thing?
 

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Where is all this talk coming from that there wont be a Cap in 2010??? Is it all rumours ?? Anyone have a link or anything to an Official source?
 

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Chappy;2591145 said:
Where is all this talk coming from that there wont be a Cap in 2010??? Is it all rumours ?? Anyone have a link or anything to an Official source?


It's been talked about for last two years or so, the current CBA, either expired, or is going to expire, and people are suggesting that a new deal won't get done.
 

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EveryoneElse;2591153 said:
It's been talked about for last two years or so, the current CBA, either expired, or is going to expire, and people are suggesting that a new deal won't get done.

I cant see it happening and i have seen some of the talk before on a few sites but it is all talk and nothing really solid on the issue. Its all ifs buts and maybes. :)
 

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There was a good link from the Jags site on here earlier. Essentially what I can glean is there will be no cap. Meaning you can have as many contracts as you like at any amount. OTOH all of the accounting concerning a cap is still going to be done. IOW, the prorations are still considered as are restricted free agency and the like. That means if they set a cap up again say in 2011 and you spend like a fool then you are going to get hammered.
 

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Here's one article on it....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-05-20-owners-labor-deal_N.htm

By Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY
ATLANTA — Since purchasing the Washington Commanders in 1999, Dan Snyder has been defined by bold moves. He lured Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs out of retirement in 2004 and had a payroll of nearly $100 million in 2000 after adding aging veterans Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith and Jeff George.
So imagine Snyder — whose team plays in the NFL's largest stadium, FedEx Field, and in 2007 earned NFL-high revenue estimated at $312 million — in an uncapped year.


The prospect of the NFL playing the 2010 season without a salary cap, triggered by the owners' decision to opt out of its collective bargaining agreement two years early, might provide cash-flush owners with the opportunity to stock teams as never before.

THE DETAILS: Owners unanimously decide to opt out of CBA

Snyder, though, insisted Tuesday that he didn't envision stocking up in 2010 despite the possibility of losing the constrictions of a salary cap.

"No, not at all," said Snyder, whose team didn't make a big splash in free agency this offseason. "We've always been aggressive in free agency, but I think you can see from this year that it's been based on when we've had more needs in some years than we had in other years."

The 2010 season looms as a Pandora's box, given the financial disparity between some NFL teams. According to Forbes, the Commanders grossed $130 million more in 2007 than the Minnesota Vikings.

That fuels questions of whether the league's competitive balance could be skewed by a free-for-all environment.

Despite the disparities, it's difficult to predict how an uncapped 2010 would unfold, given the conditions attached to an uncapped year:

• The top eight playoff finishers from the previous season would be allowed to sign free agents only at the rate at which they lose them.

• Players would need six NFL seasons to be eligible for free agency, rather than four.

• Each team would be allowed to restrict two eligible free agents with "franchise" or "transition" player tags, rather than one.

The biggest impact of an uncapped year might be the timetable both sides face to strike a new deal. The prospect of an uncapped year in 2007 was a driving force that led to the collective bargaining agreement in March 2006. Players union chief Gene Upshaw sees an uncapped year as a point of no return, saying once players get out of a salary-cap system, they wouldn't agree to another in ensuing years.

"That's what we see as a realistic deadline," Upshaw said, referring to the league year starting in March 2010. "If nothing is done by then ... I'm not going to try to sell players on cap again. I don't know who will, but it won't be me. Once we go through the cap, why should we get it again?"

Countered commissioner Roger Goodell, "In 1993 we didn't have a capped system and we got one. So I'm sure there will be a lot of rhetoric about a no-cap system, but we were able to make that transition before, and we'll be able to do it again if necessary."

In an uncapped year, Upshaw said, players would receive more than the 60% of total revenue that is currently central to the rift with owners. Upshaw said even with the prospect of an uncertain 2010, he is advising players to sign long-term deals if the numbers work. He thinks that could supply players with leverage in renegotiations.

Some teams are already operating in anticipation of an uncapped year. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he has thought for months about 2010 and how decisions that include signing players to long-term contracts weigh against the potential upheaval of the system.

"One thing is certain," Jones said. "It will become a bigger challenge for everybody."

Jones made two moves Tuesday that surely reflected his planning. He signed cornerback Terence Newman (six years, $50 million) and running back Marion Barber III (seven years, $45 million) to deals that will tie them to the team through 2014. By signing them before a 3 p.m. deadline Tuesday, Dallas avoided accounting rules that go into effect with the revised collective bargaining agreement.
 

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It's fun to think of the possibilities. We can nab nearly anyone we want and have a franchise full of the biggest names in the game.

But then reality starts to set in, and I come to realize that might be the worst thing we can do. We're already a me-first enough team as it is. Last thing we need is three or four more guys making $50 million added to the mix.

Whether or not this team is the most talented team in football is highly debatable. But we're certainly up there, and overall talent is not this team's weak point. We're not a star nose guard, left guard and middle linebacker away from a Super Bowl. We're missing accountability, camaraderie, grit, and the know-how to finish games in December -- plus maybe a backup QB, a few backup OL/DL and an SS.
 

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There will be a lock out and trust me if the salary cap goes away totally never to return and it becomes like Baseball I will eventually quit watching it as I have done baseball.
 

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RainMan;2591207 said:
Whether or not this team is the most talented team in football is highly debatable. But we're certainly up there, and overall talent is not this team's weak point. We're not a star nose guard, left guard and middle linebacker away from a Super Bowl. We're missing accountability, camaraderie, grit, and the know-how to finish games in December -- plus maybe a backup QB, a few backup OL/DL and an SS.

Well said, sir. This is spot on.
 

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Silverstar;2591218 said:
One thing is certain, the new stadium will give the Cowboys top revenue in the NFL...projected to be about 369 million in 2009!

http://www.bnet.com/2346-13502_23-255833.html


Like I said, this franchise is definitely in the drivers seat.


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If you get to the divisional round of the playoffs, you're severely limited in the ability to sign players other than your own.

I still think they'll make a deal before next season. And frankly, I hope they do. I don't want to see this become MLB.
 

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Not having a salary cap would make Jerry look like even more of an ***.

He'd buy overpriced players, plug them in, and wonder why we never have had a 'team' here since maybe 2003. That was the last time I remember us putting a 'team' out on the field. Carter handing to Anderson, throwing to Bryant - not much talent there, but at least they played together.
 

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Jerry would go hog wild and sign studs at every position and then we all watch the team miss the playoffs.

See Yankees if you think payroll correlats to winning......it doesnt.

Everybody on the team cannot have a $50 mill contract, it just will never work.
 

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Kangaroo;2591212 said:
There will be a lock out and trust me if the salary cap goes away totally never to return and it becomes like Baseball I will eventually quit watching it as I have done baseball.
:hammer:
 

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Yeah there are provisions in place to keep people who continue to make it deep into the playoffs from being able to just Yankee all system. You'll be restricted in many ways from signing FA's that are not your own.
 

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Silverstar;2591111 said:
then isn't Jerry and the Cowboys franchise basically in the drivers seat...even now?

I mean does Jerry and Stephen really need to watch our cap at this point when looking at FA's come March?

Surely, Stephen can now backload any contract to simply stay under the 2009 cap. What I'm saying is are players like Peppers, Haynesworth and Lewis really out of our reach?


Thoughts?

Adam? :)

I think if the league has an uncapped year it will be just that 1 to 2 years but as long as FA is around the owners will have some type of cap in place.
 

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RainMan;2591207 said:
It's fun to think of the possibilities. We can nab nearly anyone we want and have a franchise full of the biggest names in the game.

But then reality starts to set in, and I come to realize that might be the worst thing we can do. We're already a me-first enough team as it is. Last thing we need is three or four more guys making $50 million added to the mix.

Whether or not this team is the most talented team in football is highly debatable. But we're certainly up there, and overall talent is not this team's weak point. We're not a star nose guard, left guard and middle linebacker away from a Super Bowl. We're missing accountability, camaraderie, grit, and the know-how to finish games in December -- plus maybe a backup QB, a few backup OL/DL and an SS.

This is well said. We're not a star NT, LG and MLB( I'd go S) away from the SB.
But 3 new $50 mil dollar players at NT,OG and S won't hurt either. Developing the accountability, camaraderie, grit and the know-how to finish games in Dec is critical but mostly mutually exclusive to signing a few high priced FA's.

We have high priced players now as all teams do. If we can accomplish all the other things we need to do as a team with them, a few more highly compensated players won't hurt. As long as they are good character guys.

Here's an idea. Let's do both.
 

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Double Trouble;2591344 said:
If you get to the divisional round of the playoffs, you're severely limited in the ability to sign players other than your own.

That wouldn't apply to players who were released, nor would it affect trades. Granted, that might limit the quality of players whom you could get, but it's not like you'd have to just sit on your hands if you're one of the final eight. You still could add players without having to worry about the cap.
 
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