If Warmack, Richardson, and Vaccaro are there, who do you pick?

[fishspill]

Since I'm tired of watching Romo's scrambling instead of passing I'm going Warmack.

 

[AsthmaField]

I was really really high on Richardson earlier this year, but he can definitely get blocked--and sometimes, fairly easily. I am not so high on him anymore. I think he has some serious flaws as a player.

In this scenario, I'd take Warmack. Just cause Vaccaro playing FS is a big question mark and Richardson, to me, has a pretty big bust factor.

I understand that, but don't forget that Richardson was about the only guy on the Missouri defense that offenses had to really worry about. Teams game planned around stopping Richardson.

Plus, Kiffin and Marinelli specialize in working with DT's just like Richardson. He would be getting 1000 times the coaching in Dallas that he got in college and he definitely has the physical tools to work with. His motor runs high and he has physical ability that you're either born with or not. I would expect Kiffin and Marinelli to get the best out of him.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I really think he will be a difference maker on the DL... and those guys are worth their weight in gold.

I really like Warmack but a top tier DT just means more to an NFL team than a top tier OG does.

In this case, I would take Richardson every time, but would still be thrilled with Warmack.

Vaccaro is a distant 3rd in this scenario.

 

[Eskimo]

Offense dictates the league now. Our offense is below average until we fix the OL.

Warmack

Our defense is good enough to win championships, our offense is now where close to being able to compete.

Our defensive QB rating allowed was in the bottom 5 of the league last year. That is why we were so bad. Whether it was scheme, injuries, lack of pass rush, all of the above, it doesn't matter.

In this league you still win games by outscoring the other team. That means defense still matters as much as offense.

If your point is that we are closer to building a dominant offense than defense then I would say there is legitimacy to that claim. I think we were something like 10th best in the league in points scored offensively when adjusted for field position. Where we really struggled was short yardage offense and running game period. We were actually pretty prolific passing and likely would have even been better with a healthy Murray and an average OL performance.

I actually think the OL will be a fair bit better just from getting Costa back and inserting Parnell in over Free. A first round Jon Cooper pick could put this OL into above average realm if all perform as I expect them to. The only issue is how much are you willing to give up to go get him? I'd give up the 3rd rounder but want to keep the 2nd this year.

 

[Eskimo]

In this scenario I take Richardson and come away from the draft very, very happy to get one of the few elite talents. The other elite talents I see are the 3 OTs, the other two big DTs (Star, Floyd), Cooper, Dion Jordan, Milliner and Tavon Austin. So there are 10 elite talents overall and to have one slip to us at #18 is pretty good fortune.

 

[burmafrd]

Our defensive QB rating allowed was in the bottom 5 of the league last year. That is why we were so bad. Whether it was scheme, injuries, lack of pass rush, all of the above, it doesn't matter.

In this league you still win games by outscoring the other team. That means defense still matters as much as offense.

If your point is that we are closer to building a dominant offense than defense then I would say there is legitimacy to that claim. I think we were something like 10th best in the league in points scored offensively when adjusted for field position. Where we really struggled was short yardage offense and running game period. We were actually pretty prolific passing and likely would have even been better with a healthy Murray and an average OL performance.

I actually think the OL will be a fair bit better just from getting Costa back and inserting Parnell in over Free. A first round Jon Cooper pick could put this OL into above average realm if all perform as I expect them to. The only issue is how much are you willing to give up to go get him? I'd give up the 3rd rounder but want to keep the 2nd this year.

So basically you pick Costa over Warmack?

 

[Eskimo]

So basically you pick Costa over Warmack?

Costa isn't in the draft so I don't understand the allegation.

I'd take Richardson over Warmack and Vaccaro. Talented big DL like him are very hard to find. It is easy to get okay play at OG compared to getting an interior pass rusher.

We can upgrade OG by signing Brandon Moore. There is no one available in FA who can upgrade our interior pass rush substantially.

 

[Macnalty]

In this scenario I take Richardson and come away from the draft very, very happy to get one of the few elite talents. The other elite talents I see are the 3 OTs, the other two big DTs (Star, Floyd), Cooper, Dion Jordan, Milliner and Tavon Austin. So there are 10 elite talents overall and to have one slip to us at #18 is pretty good fortune.

This TE crop is very superior in its talent level would have to throw Eifert into that pool. Gosh one more into the pool although he did not have a great combine Jarvis Jones wins the film contest hands down.
I agree with Walker in this instance if he falls to us there is a serious reason Richardson fell. Richardson plays a more $$ position and drafting him is like a triple vs drafting Warmack is a stand-up double.

 

[Eskimo]

This TE crop is very superior in its talent level would have to throw Eifert into that pool. Gosh one more into the pool although he did not have a great combine Jarvis Jones wins the film contest hands down.
I agree with Walker in this instance if he falls to us there is a serious reason Richardson fell. Richardson plays a more $$ position and drafting him is like a triple vs drafting Warmack is a stand-up double.

I worry that Warmack is going to be exposed by quick interior DL at the next level. I also just can't see him pulling at the pro level because he is just too darn slow. I also can't see him contributing in the screen game at all because of how long it takes him to get out there.

One scout said that if you're picking an OG in the first round he better not have any weaknesses. Well I see a lot of them in Warmack so I don't want him in that spot of the draft. Early in the second I'd be happy to take him but not in the mid-first. That goes for Fluker too but even moreso since he probably can't play OT and we haven't seen him play OG.

 

[Oh_Canada]

jerry would pick richardson.

...And he would be right to do so. Vaccaro next for me , than Warmack.

Tyson Clabo would be my FA pickup and I would go Schwenke or Bailey in later rounds to shore up the line. Personally I think Schwenke especially, will be a better fit for Callahan's zone blocking scheme than Warmack.

 

[Dhragon]

Warmack for me and it wouldn't even be close.

Richardson would be fantastic if Cooper/Warmack were both gone but if either of top 2 OG are there, then that should be the pick. Anything else just means more of the same next year. Non-existent running game, Romo breaking a bone or two, and no playoffs.

 

[Gaede]

One scout said that if you're picking an OG in the first round he better not have any weaknesses. Well I see a lot of them in Warmack so I don't want him in that spot of the draft. Early in the second I'd be happy to take him but not in the mid-first. That goes for Fluker too but even moreso since he probably can't play OT and we haven't seen him play OG.

I agree with that as well. Warmack, for all his hype, has plenty of warts. I'd consider him around 25--right around where the Bengals took Zeitler last year. I think he's an excellent player and will make a good pro. But his value is not at 18.

Cooper does not appear to have any weaknesses.

 

[NorthTexan95]

Warmack. He might not be the ideal fit for a zone blocking scheme (which it appears we are switching to) but I'd love to have that mauler in the middle we can run behind on 3rd and 1. He would bring an attitude we've been missing on the offensive line since Columbo was here.

 

[lwehlers]

Richardson for me. the d-line needs more help to create pressure up the middle. this may be hatcher and ratliffs last season on the team it would be good to have a young impact d-lineman to move into the future with.

 

[burmafrd]

Costa isn't in the draft so I don't understand the allegation.

I'd take Richardson over Warmack and Vaccaro. Talented big DL like him are very hard to find. It is easy to get okay play at OG compared to getting an interior pass rusher.

We can upgrade OG by signing Brandon Moore. There is no one available in FA who can upgrade our interior pass rush substantially.

that is the practical effect of your pick. Completely ignoring our draft history as regards getting guards that are worth a bucket of warm spit after the second round. You say it is EASY to get OK play at guard. Where is your proof of that?

 

[burmafrd]

I agree with that as well. Warmack, for all his hype, has plenty of warts. I'd consider him around 25--right around where the Bengals took Zeitler last year. I think he's an excellent player and will make a good pro. But his value is not at 18.

Cooper does not appear to have any weaknesses.

ha. There is no such thing as one without weaknesses.

 

[Gaede]

ha. There is no such thing as one without weaknesses.

Obviously. But the point is that, to take a guard in the first round, he has to be as close to without weakness as possible.

 

[Macnalty]

On the menu at 18, each item comes with Warts. Warmack is a above average pass blocker, and a excellent run blocker(think 3rd down and redzone greatness). Warts do not seem that much of an issue in this kind of context.

 

[Eskimo]

that is the practical effect of your pick. Completely ignoring our draft history as regards getting guards that are worth a bucket of warm spit after the second round. You say it is EASY to get OK play at guard. Where is your proof of that?

Brandon Moore is available in FA right now. I was not talking about anyone in the draft who would likely need some seasoning before being ready to step in and play.

I do think there are some good OG/C candidates in the 3rd round and lower like Bailey and Schwenke who we may have our eye on.

There is no guarantee Costa starts next year just because we don't draft Warmack. We could sign Brandon Moore and move Bern over to Center where he played well last year for a game. There is also Kowalski who is a rung below Costa on the depth chart. I don't hold out much hope for Arkin anymore. He just doesn't seem to be able to anchor against NFL DTs.

 

[Gaede]

On the menu at 18, each item comes with Warts. Warmack is a above average pass blocker, and a excellent run blocker(think 3rd down and redzone greatness). Warts do not seem that much of an issue in this kind of context.

That's a really good point, actually. Unless a top prospect falls to 18, more than likely, every player we're forced to consider will have some obvious holes in their game.

 

[Eskimo]

On the menu at 18, each item comes with Warts. Warmack is a above average pass blocker, and a excellent run blocker(think 3rd down and redzone greatness). Warts do not seem that much of an issue in this kind of context.

The warts are the he is a very maginal athlete, his pass blocking resume is not impressive coming from Alabama which is a run dominant team. He also had some assist by playing between two very good college players. I also seem to recall seeing him got a lot of double team help from the Center in pass blocking situations from the game film.

I do not concur that he is a slam dunk Pro Bowler. I do believe that he is an upgrade to Livings and Bernardeau at OG but beyond that I see him as a small liability pulling because he is too slow to the hole and I see him as a huge liability in any screen game we try to establish.

He may end up surprising me and become a mulit-time Pro Bowler. I just don't see a slam dunk great player when I watch him play.