if we hire Norv...it would be a mistake *MERGE*

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summerisfunner;1342223 said:
we already have 2 bright, offensive minds, 3 if Palmer doesn't leave, we're not so stocked in bright, 3-4 minds however, and considering our 3-4 D was worse off than our O, IMO, it's imperative that we bring in a real good 3-4 coach, as opposed to another offensive mind to an already very good O

your counting Palmer and Sporano as "bright" offensive minds?

if thats the case, I should definitely count Rodgers, Pasqualoni and Bowles as "bright" defensive minds

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Woods;1342227 said:
Actually, didn't Norv accomplish about the same as Gibbs has this 2nd time around for the Skins?

No. Norv had 7 years to turn us around but failed. Hes the absolute worst at being a HC and I will be glad if you guys hire him. Its easy to say that "his situation was bad in both Oakland and Washington", but the plain fact is the guy is horrible as a HC. Thats why no team besides the Cowboys have shown interest in him this year. Dallas is the only place that will ever consider Norv as a HC.
 

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summerisfunner;1342223 said:
we already have 2 bright, offensive minds, 3 if Palmer doesn't leave, we're not so stocked in bright, 3-4 minds however, and considering our 3-4 D was worse off than our O, IMO, it's imperative that we bring in a real good 3-4 coach, as opposed to another offensive mind to an already very good O

This is what I've been saying all along.

Even if Palmer departs, with Garrett and Sparano, we have good brainpower on offense.

Look, I have nothing against Turner. I think he would be a great support for both Romo and Garrett.

But exactly who is supposed to fix this defense?

Unless there is some other plan JJ has in mind. But if the plan is Bowles, I'll be a bit concerned because this coaching staff couldn't fix the defense last season.
 

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dbair1967;1342215 said:
you were PO'd when the Commanders hired Norv in 1994? really? Norv was THE hot assistant coach then...almost every team that had an opening wanted this guy...I really wished Jones would have had some foresight in 1994, because if he did he would have convinced Norv to stay and our team would have never had Barry Switzer, and we'd have probably an extra super bowl or two

David


Thats a long *** sentence. haha.

Anyway, yes I was pissed, the team didnt have the players needed to run the offense he ran in Dallas, not even close. I wanted a fresh face at the time someone without the hype. Not to mention he was a Cowboys. Hell he contributed more to the more recent lopsided Cowboys victory margin over the Commanders than any other coach. Hell he might have lost more to the Cowboys than any other coach in the history of the franchise (at least it felt that way).
 

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dbair1967;1342236 said:
your counting Palmer and Sporano as "bright" offensive minds?

if thats the case, I should definitely count Rodgers, Pasqualoni and Bowles as "bright" defensive minds

David

funny, except for the fact that Palmer and Sparano have both been offered coordinator positions elsewhere, and we were pretty good on O under their direction, we had the most imaginative O in a long while

then add in Jason Garrett who's highly thought of
 

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MarkBrunell;1342238 said:
No. Norv had 7 years to turn us around but failed. Hes the absolute worst at being a HC and I will be glad if you guys hire him. Its easy to say that "his situation was bad in both Oakland and Washington", but the plain fact is the guy is horrible as a HC. Thats why no team besides the Cowboys have shown interest in him this year. Dallas is the only place that will ever consider Norv as a HC.

Norv had a couple of the biggest boobs in the NFL calling all the shots too didnt he?

Mr Casserly and then Mr Snyder

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Woods;1342240 said:
This is what I've been saying all along.

Even if Palmer departs, with Garrett and Sparano, we have good brainpower on offense.

Look, I have nothing against Turner. I think he would be a great support for both Romo and Garrett.

But exactly who is supposed to fix this defense?

Unless there is some other plan JJ has in mind. But if the plan is Bowles, I'll be a bit concerned because this coaching staff couldn't fix the defense last season.

:hammer: I have nothing against Norv, just the lack of quality 3-4 coaches, Wade solves that right off the bat
 

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summerisfunner;1342244 said:
funny, except for the fact that Palmer and Sparano have both been offered coordinator positions elsewhere, and we were pretty good on O under their direction, we had the most imaginative O in a long while

then add in Jason Garrett who's highly thought of

we had good overall numbers on offense, but we didnt have a machine or anything...we were pretty inconsistent and the run game has never been right..we couldnt run the ball hardly a lick on 3 of the worst run d's in the league

and Palmer hasnt been offered a coordinator position anywhere...somebody did want to interview as QB coach

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summerisfunner;1342229 said:

But in all seriousness, each coach has taken the Skins to the playoffs once since Gibbs return.
 

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dbair1967;1342249 said:
we had good overall numbers on offense, but we didnt have a machine or anything...we were pretty inconsistent and the run game has never been right..we couldnt run the ball hardly a lick on 3 of the worst run d's in the league

and Palmer hasnt been offered a coordinator position anywhere...somebody did want to interview as QB coach

David

our D was a bigger problem than our O

and about Palmer, I'm just pointing out that someone out there respects his capabilities enough to want him on their coaching staff, but I haven't heard any reports of teams seeking permission to talk to any of our D coaches, which to me, means we need a better one than any on the roster, moreso than the O
 

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summerisfunner;1342254 said:
our D was a bigger problem than our O

and about Palmer, I'm just pointing out that someone out there respects his capabilities enough to want him on their coaching staff, but I haven't heard any reports of teams seeking permission to talk to any of our D coaches, which to me, means we need a better one than any on the roster, moreso than the O

dont get me wrong, I'm not saying any of the D coaches are any good

but I dont think any of the offensive coaches are either

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Niners run a 3-4 ? I could have sworn they run a 4-3. And Mike was best under Ryan in a 4-6.

Cant run a 4-6 with this team, but a 4-3 might work.

I was pissed when the ol' man hired Norv, laughed when Oakland hired Norv, and if the Cowboys sign him up as the next HC...I will laugh again.
Nolan wants to run a 3-4, but I think the word was that he didn't have enough linebackers to properly run it.

The idea of Norv as HC makes me want to throw up. If he's hired, I prolly will throw up.

Not sure what the fascination of Singletary as DC is. I'm not sure who would be a good candidate for DC, but I surely wouldn't pick Singletary. His experience as a coach ranks right up there with Garrett. Two inexperienced coordinators is NOT the way to go.
 

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dbair1967;1342245 said:
Norv had a couple of the biggest boobs in the NFL calling all the shots too didnt he?

Mr Casserly and then Mr Snyder

David

Casserly and Snyder are both complete tools but Norv didn't help either. Norv was BAD at preparing teams and being a motivator. He doesn't have the mojo a HC needs. He looks lost on the sidelines as a HC and he was bad at preparing all faces of the team.
 

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dbair1967;1342256 said:
dont get me wrong, I'm not saying any of the D coaches are any good

but I dont think any of the offensive coaches are either

David

yet we're short on successful 3-4 coordinators, and our O wasn't as big as a problem as our D, we already added a bright O mind, so why not add a bright D mind, who's been successful in the 3-4?
 

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WoodysGirl;1342257 said:
Nolan wants to run a 3-4, but I think the word was that he didn't have enough linebackers to properly run it.

The idea of Norv as HC makes me want to throw up. If he's hired, I prolly will throw up.

Not sure what the fascination of Singletary as DC is. I'm not sure who would be a good candidate for DC, but I surely wouldn't pick Singletary. His experience as a coach ranks right up there with Garrett. Two inexperienced coordinators is NOT the way to go.

I think if we go Turner, it's probably Bowles as DC.

I really hope JJ has an alternative GOOD plan on defense if we go with Turner as HC.
 

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If we hire Norv be prepared for a 7 win season tops, but most will start criticizing the players because Norv is a long time Cowboy so he is untouchable
 

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summerisfunner;1342223 said:
we already have 2 bright, offensive minds, 3 if Palmer doesn't leave, we're not so stocked in bright, 3-4 minds however, and considering our 3-4 D was worse off than our O, IMO, it's imperative that we bring in a real good 3-4 coach, as opposed to another offensive mind to an already very good O

coaches and playersalike have said on this situation over and over that its easier to find a defensive mind then a real offensive mind.

that and romo being the cornerstone of the team, u might want to put as many people available to learn from. and who better then norv and garrett?
 

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WoodysGirl;1342257 said:
Two inexperienced coordinators is NOT the way to go.

Ding ding ding.. we have a winner!

But thats exactly what we're going to end up with.

I guess one could argue Sparano but since it was done by committee last year it's hard to know how good he is anyway.

At least lately out of the HC/DC/OC tri-fecta we had 2 guys that were well respected around the league at those slots.. BP/Zim.. even if the results werent what *we* had in mind.

Now we're fixin to go in with question marks at all 3.
 

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BigDFan5;1342272 said:
If we hire Norv be prepared for a 7 win season tops, but most will start criticizing the players because Norv is a long time Cowboy so he is untouchable

I'll bet right now that barring major injuries, we win alot more than 7 games next yr...Norv as HC included

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dbair1967;1342293 said:
I'll bet right now that barring major injuries, we win alot more than 7 games next yr...Norv as HC included

David

For someone who was so against mediocrity you sure are embracing it now days.


Norv is a failure as HC if he is hired people will be begging for a return to 9-7 and Parcells. At least we made the playoffs with BP thats a long shot with Norv
 
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