If we win the SB, do we credit BP at all?

[zrinkill]

Parcells turned the talent level around and brought a sense of discipline to the team.

Disciplined teams do not underachieve and fold down the stretch every year. But I do thank Parcells for adding talent to the team ..... he would still make a great general manager ..... but his ability to coach died with his brother in my opinion.

 

[superpunk]

That's simple ...retrospectively figuratively speaking versus literally speaking.

It's simply impossible, lol.

Which is your perspective ...better or worse (From an objective perspective of course; or from both perspectives)?

I don't have the slightest idea. I can see where Wade's defense will make us more exciting, but if some players don't step up, exciting isn't going to do any good, cuz we'll get torched like we did last year when we decided to blitz and people couldn't handle their assignments.

I can see where our offense could fall back significantly.

But it could also be an overwhelming success.

I think it's pretty much impossible to have an opinion either way, given the new defense, the progression (or possible regression) of Tony Romo, and our old WRs. It'll be fun, tho.

 

[Doomsday101]

Disciplined teams do not underachieve and fold down the stretch every year. But I do thank Parcells for adding talent to the team ..... he would still make a great general manager ..... but his ability to coach died with his brother in my opinion.

As I said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I loved having Parcells here this team went from a laughing stock to a winning team with a future. If people want to jump on Parcells because this team did not make it all the way all I can say is to build a winning team it takes time, hell Bill Cower was in Pitt for several years before they made it to the SB and a few more before they won 1 and as soon as he retires from Pitt, Cowboy fans are hollering for him? In my opinion Bill did a lot for this team and the future is a lot brighter because of him not despite him

 

[zrinkill]

In my opinion Bill did a lot for this team and the future is a lot brighter because of him not despite him

I agree with that .... I just do not agree that he brought discipline to the club except in his first year. I truly believe that after his brother died he was never the same as a coach .....

I was a staunch BP defender ....... after this years end of the year debacle I ran out of excuses.

 

[randy932]

You’re entitled to your opinion but I don't share it. Parcells turned the talent level around and brought a sense of discipline to the team. If you have issue with Parcells well that is on you myself I'm thankful Jerry hired BP and then listened to what he had to say it terms of getting this team back on track.

My "issues" with Parcells stem strictly from the fact that he was an absolute abortion as a COACH for the last 3 years of his tenure. As a GM, he was better, but nowhere close to great. As a coach though,,,ughhh.

As far as discipline goes, yeah, right. That is why we had almost 1000 yards in penalties. That is why we had one player get shot 2 times in 4 years. That is why we have a prima donna that rides the stationary bike while recovering from shadowy "injuries" thru the entire TC. That's why we have a player that is "one biscuit short of being a LB" yet, gains 10 more pounds. That is why the team quits on the coach the final month of the season, EVERY YEAR.

That is why he quit, IMO, because the team didn't pay attention to his outdated brand of "discipline" anymore.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

It's simply impossible, lol..

Lol ...all things are possible...including an impossibility!

I don't have the slightest idea. I can see where Wade's defense will make us more exciting, but if some players don't step up, exciting isn't going to do any good, cuz we'll get torched like we did last year when we decided to blitz and people couldn't handle their assignments.

I can see where our offense could fall back significantly.

But it could also be an overwhelming success.

I think it's pretty much impossible to have an opinion either way, given the new defense, the progression (or possible regression) of Tony Romo, and our old WRs. It'll be fun, tho.

It's going to be a very interesting season across the board in the NFC-East. The Giants will be another InterestIng team to watch this year ...with Tiki gone.

 

[Spectre]

Of course you credit BP some.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well.

I think you would have to give Bill some credit. I doubt anyone here would not give Jimmy any credit when Barry came in and was the coach when the cowboys won their last Superbowl...just something to think about for anyone that would not want to give bill any credit.

Bill could not get the job done, but if we did win it all he would get some of the credit because chances are without bill we would not have wade. One of the main factors for getting wade was the idea of continuing using the pieces we acquired for the 3-4 defense.

 

[randy932]

Well.

I think you would have to give Bill some credit. I doubt anyone here would not give Jimmy any credit when Barry came in and was the coach when the cowboys won their last Superbowl...just something to think about for anyone that would not want to give bill any credit.

Bill could not get the job done, but if we did win it all he would get some of the credit because chances are without bill we would not have wade. One of the main factors for getting wade was the idea of continuing using the pieces we acquired for the 3-4 defense.

So, it is really Campo that gets the credit then. Without Campo, we would have never gotten Parcells.

LMAO

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So, it is really Campo that gets the credit then. Without Campo, we would have never gotten Parcells.

LMAO

In your weak attempt at humor and making a point...you fell flat on your face and wound up with a dog turd in your left nostril.

We had nowhere near the talent on our team with campo and jerry doing the draft.

Furthermore although Jerry persuaded bill to stick with the 4-3 for the start, because of the players we DID have, he eventually switched to what he knew. Unlike going with Wade because he continues the 3-4 system with many of the correct types of players in place.

But hey...if it makes you feel better not giving some credit where it is due, please continue. Sooner or later that old dog dookie will dry up and fall out of your nostril and people will quit looking at you with that shocked expression on their faces.

:laugh2: :

 

[zrinkill]

I agree that Bill should get tons of credit for adding talent to our roster ......

I also think that Bill would have gotten us to a SuperBowl if his brother had not died ......

Thank you Bill for setting us down the right path.

 

[randy932]

In your weak attempt at humor and making a point...you fell flat on your face and wound up with a dog turd in your left nostril.

We had nowhere near the talent on our team with campo and jerry doing the draft.

Furthermore although Jerry persuaded bill to stick with the 4-3 for the start, because of the players we DID have, he eventually switched to what he knew. Unlike going with Wade because he continues the 3-4 system with many of the correct types of players in place.

But hey...if it makes you feel better not giving some credit where it is due, please continue. Sooner or later that old dog dookie will dry up and fall out of your nostril and people will quit looking at you with that shocked expression on their faces.

:laugh2: :

"...but if we did win it all he would get some of the credit because chances are without bill we would not have wade."

Is absolutely laughable and has nothing to do with Parcells meriting any type of consideration for the Cowboys going to the Super Bowl.

Your attempt at humor is merely that of a junior high school level. Goes along perfectly with your reasons(?) why Parcells should be given credit for any future achievements the Cowboys have. Junior High School level. Parcells had his chance, failed pathetically as a coach. He kept his head above water as a de facto GM, but he utterly failed as a HC the last 3 years.

 

[Doomsday101]

"...but if we did win it all he would get some of the credit because chances are without bill we would not have wade."

Is absolutely laughable and has nothing to do with Parcells meriting any type of consideration for the Cowboys going to the Super Bowl.

Your attempt at humor is merely that of a junior high school level. Goes along perfectly with your reasons(?) why Parcells should be given credit for any future achievements the Cowboys have. Junior High School level. Parcells had his chance, failed pathetically as a coach. He kept his head above water as a de facto GM, but he utterly failed as a HC the last 3 years.

2 out of 4 years Dallas made playoff, how many under Campo? 3 out of 4 years a winning record. Parcells took a laughing stock of a team and turned them around. Sorry if in 4 years we did not make it to the show but the same can be said about many top HC in this league who it took time before they took a joke of a team and got the ship turned around. Now if you think Parcells failed as a coach then the only Joke I see is you

 

[iceberg]

Without the TUNA were probally still 5-11 every year. Did you remember who else was going for the job when Bill got it?

no, but i do remember there were a bunch of jerry haters swearing to their death of their long lost family pets that there was never any way in hell jones would hire a real coach.

 

[superpunk]

"...but if we did win it all he would get some of the credit because chances are without bill we would not have wade."

Is absolutely laughable and has nothing to do with Parcells meriting any type of consideration for the Cowboys going to the Super Bowl.

Your attempt at humor is merely that of a junior high school level. Goes along perfectly with your reasons(?) why Parcells should be given credit for any future achievements the Cowboys have. Junior High School level. Parcells had his chance, failed pathetically as a coach. He kept his head above water as a de facto GM, but he utterly failed as a HC the last 3 years.

Define "failed pathetically".

Hyperbole is nice, but has a tendency to make those who overindulge look foolish.

Our team is turned around. We're no longer referred to in the same breath that Detroit and Arizona and Oakland are referred to. There are precious few persons that could have pulled that off. It required being a figure Jerry respected, and having the savvy and foresight to give this team a direction it was so sorely lacking.

If that's "failing pathetically", sign me up for more of the same.

 

[iceberg]

I think he'd have to get some credit for at least assembling most of the pieces.

Of course, some on here don't want to give Jimmy any credit for the '95 SB despite having built the team to back to back champions before he left.

BP hasn't even won a playoff game here, so I'm sure some won't give him any credit at all if we win - but he would definitely deserve some.

show me 1 poster who won't give johnson any credit for that win.

imho - switzer did it not the next year, but the year after. still by and large a johnson/jones team, but swizter was still able to get the team to win the bowl. he gets some credit too, like him or not.

 

[Doomsday101]

show me 1 poster who won't give johnson any credit for that win.

imho - switzer did it not the next year, but the year after. still by and large a johnson/jones team, but swizter was still able to get the team to win the bowl. he gets some credit too, like him or not.

I agree. I think Jimmy deserved credit but Switzer in his 2nd year got his team to the SB and won it and deserves the credit as any HC would get. I admit I'm not the biggest Switzer supporter in large part because of his OU ties but he got the job done in Dallas.

 

[randy932]

2 out of 4 years Dallas made playoff, how many under Campo? 3 out of 4 years a winning record. Parcells took a laughing stock of a team and turned them around. Sorry if in 4 years we did not make it to the show but the same can be said about many top HC in this league who it took time before they took a joke of a team and got the ship turned around. Now if you think Parcells failed as a coach then the only Joke I see is you

I don't think Parcells failed as a coach here, I KNOW he failed. His best year was his first year, with Campo's players, after that we never got back to that level. The team quit on him every year in December. His coaching was outdated, the players did not respond to his negative, micromanaging, ridiculously restrictive, holier-than-thou, type of coaching. parcells' coaching was an utter failure his last 3 years here.

34-32 overall

24-25 without counting the year with Campo's guys.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think Parcells failed as a coach here, I KNOW he failed. His best year was his first year, with Campo's players, after that we never got back to that level. The team quit on him every year in December. His coaching was outdated, the players did not respond to his negative, micromanaging, ridiculously restrictive, holier-than-thou, type of coaching. parcells' coaching was an utter failure his last 3 years here.

34-32 overall

24-25 without counting the year with Campo's guys.

I disagree this team made it to post season this past year despite having a inexperianced QB and were raked as one of the better offense in the league. He kept Owens under control for the most part. Taking over the Cowboys when this team was going no where fast and helping turn them around is a big deal. You may not like his style but he kept the players in line and they came to camp in shape and suffered few major injuries because of he tough ways.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Sorry if in 4 years we did not make it to the show but the same can be said about many top HC in this league who it took time before they took a joke of a team and got the ship turned around. Now if you think Parcells failed as a coach then the only Joke I see is you

I agree with yours and BrAinPaint's perspective. Besides, we'll never know what the team would have Been like if Parcells had full freedom to make some of the decisions he needed to make in the stretch of his tenure with the Cowboys.

Side Note: Anyone that's been here for any length of time can tell you that I'm familiar with many of the longtime members here at the Zone. That said, I still wonder sometimes just who some of the members really are ...

For example ...the highlighted segment of your post above sure does sound as though you have some "direct" inside connection in the tone of your writing. I could be imaGining that, but I've always wondered about that ...I think I've Just talked My way into a new thread. I'll see you soon (quote from Tombstone ...the movie)