If WR/RB rookie talent is solid, trade Murray and TWilliams

[slomoxn]

Didn't posters on here used to complain that we never develop talent?

 

[DCBoysfan]

Smh!!!!

 

[nathanlt]

I'm disappointed that most posters think I have it in for Murray or Terrance Williams. They are very good players for the Cowboys. It would hurt tremendously if Dallas lost them.

However, if the coaching staff evaluates these rookies who are making amazing catches against excellent coverage (from 2nd and 3rd stringers, I know... hey, sometimes even a 2nd or 3rd stringer can be in good position).... IF and only IF Byrd and Newsome are starter quality, today... then the Cowboys have had the good fortune to have acquired diamonds during free agency.

In that scenario, the Cowboys cannot keep 7 WR. Cut Murray and one established WR's, (not Dez), and get established, quality players from other teams who lack even a serviceable WR. In exchange, get an LB just below the Luke Kuechly level, or a defensive lineman one step below Haloti Ngata. I think that Dallas has 5 above average WR. Dez is a cornerstone player, Terrance Williams is one of the best #2 in the league. Dwayne Harris is a cornerstone of special teams, Cole Beasley is very good in the slot, to the point that defenses are double covering him on occasion, and the Cowboys offense as a whole has its best ypc when Beasley is in the lineup. Devin Street has been running pro routes in college, and I think he's going to be just as good as Terrance Wiliams.

There's not one of those five I would cut in favor of replacing them with Byrd or Newsome, if the WR position was in singular focus. Getting Robert Mathis and Chad Greenway, (or similar talent level) for Murray and Terrance Williams, would make a big difference, would at least bring the defense up to slightly below average. Currently, it seems as though Dallas' defense has grocery store clerk quality talent along the line, I don't care how good Marinelli is, he is not Houdini.

The RB position is loaded in a similar fashion, too, and Dallas can only keep 3.

In summary, I don't want to part with Murray or Terrance Williams, but they seem like their trade bait value is quite high, and the defensive line and linebackers do not have talent, even looking at Hitchens and Minter in the most optimistic light.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Why don't we wait to see these rookies in a regular season game before we call for a trade of Murray and Williams.

 

[nathanlt]

Why don't we wait to see these rookies in a regular season game before we call for a trade of Murray and Williams.

Because these particular rookies, Byrd and Newsome, will be cut, Dallas won't keep 7 receivers.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Because these particular rookies, Byrd and Newsome, will be cut, Dallas won't keep 7 receivers.

Well then they have to be cut. You can't replace proven starters for players that have never even played in a regular season game. The WR position is deep. As for the RB position I think Williams should make the team but as a backup to Murray. You don't get rid of him. How many RBs have looked good for us in the pre-season only to disappear once the regular season started? This team needs a one-two punch.

 

[Fredd]

trades in the NFL are rarely to the benefit of the team looking to trade...usually they are minor things anyway...but, there isn't a DL- or LB-heavy team looking to also make a move....

IMO, you don't trade proven commodities for guys that look flashy against 2nd or 3rd units....no thanx on the trade front...I'd rather wait to see who gets cast off in the next week by other teams and see if they can help this team (depth mostly, if we are looking for starters, we are in bigger trouble than we think)

 

[Bullflop]

Byrd looked good for one play last night while Newsome looked awful with dropped balls and poor routes being run. I'd be pretty reluctant to rely on those who haven't actually proven themselves in consistent fashion. Best to leave roster decisions to the staff.

 

[starfrombirth]

... no talent defense is going to be picking #1 in the draft next year. ...

People are so quick to judge. I'm guilty of it myself sometimes but at least I try to step back and take a few minutes to put things in perspective. For example, do you remember Hatcher and Ratliff their first year or two here? Almost everyone said the same exact things about them. It wasn't until year 3 that they started to blossom... Ratliff earlier than Hatcher but not by much. And then all of a sudden we had a line of probowlers. Sometimes, it takes these kids some time to grow into their bodies and learn all the nuances that make the pro game so much harder than college. Not everyone is Suh (including Fairley - you're making a mistake if you think he is ). We just got out of the situation of sinking our entire defensive budget into one player and now you're wanting to jump right back in? What do you think Suh would cost? Our Dline is not where it needs to be. I won't argue with you or anyone else for that matter, about that but look at some of the bright sides that might be worth noting. I'll try and come up with some to start:
1. Coleman has the quickest get off on the snap that I've ever seen in an Interior lineman. He is on Demarcus Ware level almost.
2. Bishop has some really good moves for a 300 lb man. He's not big enuff for a 1 in my opinion but I will be willing to bet you that over the next year he gradually gets up to 315-320 and a whole lot stronger and... news flash... he is already bullish strong... It's just his hand technique needs A LOT of work. He was a 7th rounder for a reason but he has really good upside.
3. Hitchens is not fast but he IS smart and seems to really have a nose for the ball. Under Lee's tutelage and some time in an NFL classroom he is going to get a lot better.
4. Dixon has room to grow in technique but tell me you haven't seem alot of growth in just the few preseason games you have seen already. He is only going to get better and his thumper attitude is catchy.

That's just a few but it was relatively easy to come up with them. If people would just take this approach, we wouldn't be so quick to name the next HOF'r and just as quick to step to the edge of the ledge. I know there are some warts but every wart has a medicine. . .

 

[Alexander]

trades in the NFL are rarely to the benefit of the team looking to trade...usually they are minor things anyway

Correct. Most are cutting bait, trying to get something for a player they would cut or dumping salary. It is incredibly rare that a team can go out and get exactly the help they need when they need it via trade. Most teams are not in the business of surrendering talent, no matter how deep they are at a particular position.

 

[yimyammer]

I'm disappointed that most posters think I have it in for Murray or Terrance Williams. They are very good players for the Cowboys. It would hurt tremendously if Dallas lost them.

However, if the coaching staff evaluates these rookies who are making amazing catches against excellent coverage (from 2nd and 3rd stringers, I know... hey, sometimes even a 2nd or 3rd stringer can be in good position).... IF and only IF Byrd and Newsome are starter quality, today... then the Cowboys have had the good fortune to have acquired diamonds during free agency.

In that scenario, the Cowboys cannot keep 7 WR. Cut Murray and one established WR's, (not Dez), and get established, quality players from other teams who lack even a serviceable WR. In exchange, get an LB just below the Luke Kuechly level, or a defensive lineman one step below Haloti Ngata. I think that Dallas has 5 above average WR. Dez is a cornerstone player, Terrance Williams is one of the best #2 in the league. Dwayne Harris is a cornerstone of special teams, Cole Beasley is very good in the slot, to the point that defenses are double covering him on occasion, and the Cowboys offense as a whole has its best ypc when Beasley is in the lineup. Devin Street has been running pro routes in college, and I think he's going to be just as good as Terrance Wiliams.

There's not one of those five I would cut in favor of replacing them with Byrd or Newsome, if the WR position was in singular focus. Getting Robert Mathis and Chad Greenway, (or similar talent level) for Murray and Terrance Williams, would make a big difference, would at least bring the defense up to slightly below average. Currently, it seems as though Dallas' defense has grocery store clerk quality talent along the line, I don't care how good Marinelli is, he is not Houdini.

The RB position is loaded in a similar fashion, too, and Dallas can only keep 3.

In summary, I don't want to part with Murray or Terrance Williams, but they seem like their trade bait value is quite high, and the defensive line and linebackers do not have talent, even looking at Hitchens and Minter in the most optimistic light.

I don't know enough to say if this particular talent evaluation is correct or not but I like the creativity and outside the box thinking here. Unfortunately I haven't seen this type of thinking/risk-taking from Cowboys management since the late 80's/early 90's. Getting rid of assets early & recouping value has not proven to be in their wheelhouse. IMO, there's just a stink of desperation and fear emanating from jerrah that keeps creative, sell early type decisions from happening.

 

[nathanlt]

I don't know enough to say if this particular talent evaluation is correct or not but I like the creativity and outside the box thinking here. Unfortunately I haven't seen this type of thinking/risk-taking from Cowboys management since the late 80's/early 90's. Getting rid of assets early & recouping value has not proven to be in their wheelhouse. IMO, there's just a stink of desperation and fear emanating from jerrah that keeps creative, sell early type decisions from happening.

Thanks! I don't know if Bryd or Newsome are starter quality, either. Let the coaches figure that out. This trade, if there is a willing team could make Dallas competitive.

 

[xwalker]

Seriously, if Byrd Newsome, Street and Ryan Williams really are that good, keep the rookies and trade away promising offensive talent for some equally promising talent along the defensive line and at linebacker.

It would hurt to lose players like that, but the defense needs something. Otherwise this high talent offense, no talent defense is going to be picking #1 in the draft next year.

After watching the offensive line tonight, it doesn't seem that they are going to score enough to keep games close. We're looking at multiple embarassing blowouts if Dallas doesn't rebalance this team.

The concept seems like something Jimmy might have done, but you would need to find a team willing to overpay. It would make more sense with Murray than with T. Will. Murray is a free agent after the season and giving big money to a RB is generally not a good strategy. It they are truly rebuilding this year and somebody wanted to give up something significant, you would have to consider it. You would want to get a 2nd round pick or a quality young player with years remaining on his contract. Just trading for a player to make the team better in 2014 is probably not worth it.

They would have to keep something really significant for T. Williams because he appears to have #1 WR type talent and he's only in the 2nd year of an inexpensive 4 year contract. A second round pick would not be worth it and I don't see somebody giving up a 1st. Even a late first might not be worth it.

 

[dstovall5]

While we're at it can we trade the HC and Owner/GM as well?

 

[JBS]

I agree w the OP. Look at this team as sellers.. Sell some of the expendable talent that we do have to stockpile picks for the future.

Not going anywhere now anyway.

 

[nathanlt]

I agree w the OP. Look at this team as sellers.. Sell some of the expendable talent that we do have to stockpile picks for the future.

Not going anywhere now anyway.

If Dallas had an above average defense, maybe draft picks would be worth it. But I'd rather not sell away the season before opening week.

 

[casmith07]

Parnell graded out better than Tyron last week, let's trade Tyron.

This site, lol.

 

[Bluestang]

Parnell graded out better than Tyron last week, let's trade Tyron.

This site, lol.

I don't think anyone here believes this, maybe just 1 person.

 

[nathanlt]

trades in the NFL are rarely to the benefit of the team looking to trade...usually they are minor things anyway...but, there isn't a DL- or LB-heavy team looking to also make a move....

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Thanks, that's another IF on top of everything else. The trade must not be a desperation trade. If there's not a team willing to make a trade, forget it.