If you think Parcells is the problem

[theebs]

Yeah, don't blame Parcells. He took a lousy team and in 4 years, turned it into an average team !!!

that is a pretty narrow view of reality.

We are 2-2 what if we win 11 games?

Its too early to tell what this team is going to be this year, hopefully a good beating of houston sunday will get everyone refocused for a very big game with the giants.

Seeing that this team was completely redone going into the 05 season and that team finished 9-7 I think you are way off saying we are average.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Who then should we have hired as our coach in 2003? Come on, come on, make a case.

Marvin Lewis or Lovie Smith.

Now you make that case that either aren't twice the coach that Parcells is in '06.

 

[alancdc]

From a talent level of where we were I think the transformation of this team is increadible. He has raised expectations so far that now we might be ahead of ourselves. I hope he will open up the offense though.

 

[maxsports]

Parcells is the problem. As stated before, the QB, the most important position on the team has been ignored! He is an old coach with no new ideas. I am envious of team like Cincinnati and Chicago who took chances on guys who never had a head coaching job. Look at those teams over the last 4 years and their rebuilding and look at ours.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Between 2002 and 2003, you can add on Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, Jack Del Rio, and Marty Shottenheimer also for possible consideration at the time.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I am envious of team like Cincinnati and Chicago who took chances on guys who never had a head coaching job. Look at those teams over the last 4 years and their rebuilding and look at ours.

Umm, I think ur forgetting that we also took those chances. Many times, in fact. Switzer, Gailey, Campo...I don't think any of those guys ever had head coaching jobs either. Doesn't always work out unfortunately.

The post saying that you can't get very far with Bledsoe is right on. But you did really help by dropping the Bengals and Bears' names in ur post. Parcells has built a team as great as Chicago in my opinion...just without a leader. Do people remember how bad Chicago was with Orton behind center? Do people remember how bad Cinci was in that playoff game after Parmer got taken out last season? Now, with a healthy Grossman and Parmer, people are praising their head coaches. An unhealthy Grossman and Parmer would have those two coaches on the hot seat like we've put Parcells on.

We need a QB.

 

[CalCBFan]

Tell me what Bill Parcels has done,,,, all I hear is look at the drafts Ok did that improve the team has the Cowboys made it to the playoffs and have they won a playoff game yet, every year the hype is Dallas is a SB contender or on the way.... great dominating Defense.....Ok show me, I am still here waiting.... and will be waiting as long as Parcels is a Cowboys

show me

I couldn't agree w/ you more Bigdog. And I,too, would like to have seen us get Jim Bates in 2003. Several of the players BP let go are contributing w/ other teams. Several of his higher picks have not panned out either. And I for one am sick of the Campo bashing when he was not allowed to hire any staff and (probably not) manage his own draft...

 

[Cochese]

Marvin Lewis or Lovie Smith.

Now you make that case that either aren't twice the coach that Parcells is in '06.

Hindsight is 20/20, if Lovie Smith were hired here, JJ would have been crucified.

The GM, Jerry Angelo, also has done a great job building a dominant defense, and bringin in people like Thomas Jones and drafting Rex Grossman.

 

[CalCBFan]

Between 2002 and 2003, you can add on Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, Jack Del Rio, and Marty Shottenheimer also for possible consideration at the time.

I'll go w/ Del Rio but Dungy and Green should have won something by now and Marty as much said he didn't think he and Jerry could co-exist. I had forgotten about Marv Lewis and Lovie Smith. At the time, I didn't think too much about Lovie, but I would have loved to have Marv Lewis. But I think Bates would have been a good pick as well. Now we are going to have to find a 3-4 coach to replace BP or dismantle this D yet again. Not good...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

The post saying that you can't get very far with Bledsoe is right on. But you did really help by dropping the Bengals and Bears' names in ur post. Parcells has built a team as great as Chicago in my opinion...just without a leader. Do people remember how bad Chicago was with Orton behind center? Do people remember how bad Cinci was in that playoff game after Parmer got taken out last season? Now, with a healthy Grossman and Parmer, people are praising their head coaches. An unhealthy Grossman and Parmer would have those two coaches on the hot seat like we've put Parcells on.

We need a QB.

A: Palmer.

People have been praising Palmer since he was in HS. He is a very good QB. Even though Cincy lost they played pretty decent in the first half considering they lost their leader. The wheels didnt fall off until the second half after adjustments were made (IIRC).
People have been praising Lewis since his days as Def. Co. in Baltimore (he is the reason people feared that D even years after he left, Mike Nolan owes him some money).
Lovie Smith was named HC of the year last season. Grossman wasnt healthy for most of the year (only played in 2 games).

 

[Cochese]

Umm, I think ur forgetting that we also took those chances. Many times, in fact. Switzer, Gailey, Campo...I don't think any of those guys ever had head coaching jobs either. Doesn't always work out unfortunately.

The post saying that you can't get very far with Bledsoe is right on. But you did really help by dropping the Bengals and Bears' names in ur post. Parcells has built a team as great as Chicago in my opinion...just without a leader. Do people remember how bad Chicago was with Orton behind center? Do people remember how bad Cinci was in that playoff game after Parmer got taken out last season? Now, with a healthy Grossman and Parmer, people are praising their head coaches. An unhealthy Grossman and Parmer would have those two coaches on the hot seat like we've put Parcells on.

We need a QB.

Chicago's offense was bad with Orton behind center, they still won football games.

 

[Rampage]

Chicago's offense was bad with Orton behind center, they still won football games.

but he wasn't a walking turnover like bledsoe

 

[Cochese]

but he wasn't a walking turnover like bledsoe

Considering his career TD/INT ratio is 9:13, thats not entirely true.

Whoa, he even lost FIVE fumbles on top of that.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I'll go w/ Del Rio but Dungy and Green should have won something by now and Marty as much said he didn't think he and Jerry could co-exist. I had forgotten about Marv Lewis and Lovie Smith. At the time, I didn't think too much about Lovie, but I would have loved to have Marv Lewis. But I think Bates would have been a good pick as well. Now we are going to have to find a 3-4 coach to replace BP or dismantle this D yet again. Not good...

I like Del Rio but he hasnt taught his team that it is okay if they win a road game or two.

IMO, Dungy built the team that Gruden obviously won with in Tampa, and got shafted. Tampa has been making terrible decisions pretty much after that SB.

Green is just too streaky after game day (QB carousel). One thing about him though is that on draft day he will take the most talented player on the board at his teams pick, regardless of need.

And yes Marty should have won in KC maybe, DC ? Not so much, that was when Snyder was picking up old vets left and right.

 

[UVAwahoos]

A: Palmer.

People have been praising Palmer since he was in HS. He is a very good QB. Even though Cincy lost they played pretty decent in the first half considering they lost their leader. The wheels didnt fall off until the second half after adjustments were made (IIRC).
People have been praising Lewis since his days as Def. Co. in Baltimore (he is the reason people feared that D even years after he left, Mike Nolan owes him some money).
Lovie Smith was named HC of the year last season. Grossman wasnt healthy for most of the year (only played in 2 games).

I can't really tell if ur agreeing or disagreeing with my points. We both praised Parmer. I understand that people have been praising Lewis for awhile, but he has been around since 1992. The Ravens are the one exceptions to the rule that u need a solid QB...it hasn't happened since and hardly ever happened before that Super Bowl win. Lovie went 5-11 in 2004...leading to a second year with arguably the NFL's easiest schedule. First off, they played in the worst division in the entire league and second, their non-division opponents were overall pretty weak. With the exception of the Commanders, all of their losses were to quality teams. I'm glad he was HC of the year, but it came from beating teams like the Saints (sucked last year), Niners, Bucs, Packers and Lions.

He needed a QB for this year's schedule and finally got a healthy leader. With Orton would they be undefeated? Think about that. Dallas has their own little version of Orton running the show right now. Give Parcells a Grossman or a Parmer and we're undefeated.

 

[Hoofbite]

Hey FOLKS......when you are looking for a Coach, you just cannot take your pick and have him be the guy. Its easy to say that they should have hired so and so but what about coaches who were available back then and are no long coaching.

Thats #1....


#2, Anyone who wants to say that they were not ecstatic when Parcells was hired is an absolute liar.....in fact, at the time had someone been picked over Parcells........it would have been absolute chaos for Boys fans all over.


Lastly, going back to #1......when you are dealing with Jerry Jones........its not what coach you want.....its more like, whos willing to put up with old plastic-face. Now that being said.....Parcells' tenure has been a huge success IMO. He has put damned near everything in place to make dallas a good team for a good while. And not only that but it has shown that Jerry can take a back seat and let a coach control things........which in turn, will make other coaches a lot more welcome to any coaching position at any level in any sport.

 

[Ratmatt]

i'm sick and tired of all the griping i see about i see about parcells and bledsoe on this board. Some of you guys are absolutely rediculous! We are 2-2 not 0-4!! Before parcells came to dallas we were the worst team in the NFL! Yeah i said it, the absolute worst. We couldnt draft, play, or even beat the friggen texans. we were 5-11 for three straight years with no light at the end of the tunnel. Since parcells arrival we are 27-25. I know thats nothing to write home about, but at least i can wear my cowboys jerseys in public without the verbal dropkick to the face i used to recieve. And about the whole Bledsoe thing, please guys, Tony Romo is not going to play any better with the line playing as bad as they did last week. O, he played well in the pre-season you say? Well so did Hurd but i dont see anyone crying to start him over TO. Guys, Parcells knows what he is doing, he turned this team around. If Bill thinks Drew can win us games, then Drew can win us games.
Well, thats my rant for the week, im sure i'll get torn a new one for believing in our coach, but so be it.
Go Cowboys
Heres to beating the Texans this time around

His record is really 27-26.Your not counting the playoff game loss to carolina.It was a playoff game and it should count.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I can't really tell if ur agreeing or disagreeing with my points. We both praised Parmer. I understand that people have been praising Lewis for awhile, but he has been around since 1992. The Ravens are the one exceptions to the rule that u need a solid QB...it hasn't happened since and hardly ever happened before that Super Bowl win. Lovie went 5-11 in 2004...leading to a second year with arguably the NFL's easiest schedule. First off, they played in the worst division in the entire league and second, their non-division opponents were overall pretty weak. With the exception of the Commanders, all of their losses were to quality teams. I'm glad he was HC of the year, but it came from beating teams like the Saints (sucked last year), Niners, Bucs, Packers and Lions.

He needed a QB for this year's schedule and finally got a healthy leader. With Orton would they be undefeated? Think about that. Dallas has their own little version of Orton running the show right now. Give Parcells a Grossman or a Parmer and we're undefeated.

They guys name is freakin' Palmer. Geez. Its not like the "R" and "L" are next to each other on the keyboard.

How many games did Orton not lose last year ?

Lovie and his staff put his team in the best situation to win. Orton was limited, but he didnt screw up too much usually.

If the Cowboys D was as dominant, or the OL/TE/RB could protect as well as the Bears counterparts, than IMO the the Cowboys could have Orton back there throwing passes ans the team still winning.

Seems as if you are saying that Orton isnt very good, which I could understand, somewhat. You saying that Grossman is better than Bledsoe will get the Super Duper Drew Crew very upset.

#2, Anyone who wants to say that they were not ecstatic when Parcells was hired is an absolute liar.....in fact, at the time had someone been picked over Parcells........it would have been absolute chaos for Boys fans all over.

Didnt bother me at all. I am still not sold that Parcells was the right guy for the job. To me that was a bad choice.

However, if Dungy or Marvin Lewis has been picked with similar results than people wouldnt be too upset.

 

[Ratmatt]

Hey FOLKS......when you are looking for a Coach, you just cannot take your pick and have him be the guy. Its easy to say that they should have hired so and so but what about coaches who were available back then and are no long coaching.

Thats #1....


#2, Anyone who wants to say that they were not ecstatic when Parcells was hired is an absolute liar.....in fact, at the time had someone been picked over Parcells........it would have been absolute chaos for Boys fans all over.


Lastly, going back to #1......when you are dealing with Jerry Jones........its not what coach you want.....its more like, whos willing to put up with old plastic-face. Now that being said.....Parcells' tenure has been a huge success IMO. He has put damned near everything in place to make dallas a good team for a good while. And not only that but it has shown that Jerry can take a back seat and let a coach control things........which in turn, will make other coaches a lot more welcome to any coaching position at any level in any sport.

I agree Jones is an idiot.I also agree that everyone was estatic when parcells was hired.He was hired to bring championships.In a day and age where you can turn it around quickly in the NFL,parcells has taken us from bad to mediocre in 4 years.People were expecting great things by now,and he hasn't delivered.Everyone could deal with his stubborness,and his way of dealing with things,if things were going better.When there not,people will complain.Look no one wants to go back to campo.We all agree that things are better than when campo was here,but patience is running thin,people want to win now.

 

[UVAwahoos]

If the Cowboys D was as dominant, or the OL/TE/RB could protect as well as the Bears counterparts, than IMO the the Cowboys could have Orton back there throwing passes ans the team still winning.

Seems as if you are saying that Orton isnt very good, which I could understand, somewhat. You saying that Grossman is better than Bledsoe will get the Super Duper Drew Crew very upset.





Didnt bother me at all. I am still not sold that Parcells was the right guy for the job. To me that was a bad choice.

However, if Dungy or Marvin Lewis has been picked with similar results than people wouldnt be too upset.

By Drew Crew, do u mean the left over Pats fans who went into a coma from the time of the Super Bowl appearance against the Packers to now? I'm pretty sure everyone else would at least agree Grossman is putting his team in much better positions to win this year, which is what u need from a QB.
We have a top ten D and a RB racking up 100 yard games. How could the OL be so terrible if that's happening? It's simply because Bledsoe is holding the ball too long and can't dodge an ounce of pocket pressure. Mario Williams may even get a sack on him...that's just terrible.

If Orton is "somewhat" as good as u think...he'd be starting for another club right now. About 20 teams need a better QB...heck, his record was soooo great last year. GMs must be stupid for not going after him right now. You're right...he's great. We just need to give him about 4 more years to get real old and washed up, so that Dan Snyder finally gets attracted to him and gives him that $10 million a year contract he has so much fun dishing out to has-been veterans. Can't wait.