I'm convinced, it needs to happen

[Stash]

The more I look at things, the clearer it gets. The more film I watch, the more draft reports I read, and the more bad short yardage and goal line stats make clear, change needs to happen on the offensive line.

La'el Collins needs to go back to left guard. The 6'4" 320 lb lineman needs to go back to mauling people in a phone booth. To driving opponents off the ball in front of him. To move away from being unsure of himself, and who to block, and back to lining up and doing what he does best. You want to improve in short yardage situations? Line Collins up inside and let him do what he does best, drive people off the ball. Have two strengths at guard, on both sides, rather than having to pull your left guard to try to get any sort of movement. Stop playing with one arm tied behind your back.

At nearly $10 million in cap hit, Collins isn't worth the money at right tackle. He just might be at guard.

Connor Williams needs to go back to playing tackle. Right tackle, left tackle, swing tackle, any tackle. At 6'5" and 300 lbs, he's simply miscast inside. It may have made sense on paper, but it doesn't and never did on the field. Move him away from being bullrushed and run over and allow him to use his best attributes, feet and agility, to move on the perimeter and mirror pass rushers. Get better in pass protection by having a tackle play tackle.

As a second round draft pick, Williams is a liability, not an asset at guard. He lost the job to Xavier Su'a Filo for much of the season, and only got it back after the street free agent was hurt.

As it stands today, the team has two guys playing out of position, and it's hurting both of them and the team. Two guys trying to be something they're not. And it needs to end.

 

[Hennessy_King]

This is the most obvious thing watching both of them play. But garrett failed kindergarten he was always trying to fit the square in the round hole.

 

[GMO415]

Getting our All Pro Center back might help.....

 

[Stash]

Getting our All Pro Center back might help.....

Undoubtedly.

But he's not playing left guard or right tackle.

 

[ShiningStar]

I really want to believe Columbo can fix this.

 

[northerncowboynation]

The more I look at things, the clearer it gets. The more film I watch, the more draft reports I read, and the more bad short yardage and goal line stats make clear, change needs to happen on the offensive line.

La'el Collins needs to go back to left guard. The 6'4" 320 lb lineman needs to go back to mauling people in a phone booth. To driving opponents off the ball in front of him. To move away from being unsure of himself, and who to block, and back to lining up and doing what he does best. You want to improve in short yardage situations? Line Collins up inside and let him do what he does best, drive people off the ball. Have two strengths at guard, on both sides, rather than having to pull your left guard to try to get any sort of movement. Stop playing with one arm tied behind your back.

At nearly $10 million in cap hit, Collins isn't worth the money at right tackle. He just might be at guard.

Connor Williams needs to go back to playing tackle. Right tackle, left tackle, swing tackle, any tackle. At 6'5" and 300 lbs, he's simply miscast inside. It may have made sense on paper, but it doesn't and never did on the field. Move him away from being bullrushed and run over and allow him to use his best attributes, feet and agility, to move on the perimeter and mirror pass rushers. Get better in pass protection by having a tackle play tackle.

As a second round draft pick, Williams is a liability, not an asset at guard. He lost the job to Xavier Su'a Filo for much of the season, and only got it back after the street free agent was hurt.

As it stands today, the team has two guys playing out of position, and it's hurting both of them and the team. Two guys trying to be something they're not. And it needs to end.

Good summary Stash. Agree with moving Collins back to LG. Now, can you convince Inspector Columbo to take off the trench coat. roll up his sleeves and make it happen? Oh and one more thing, put in a good word for S'ua and Freddy for us

 

[Denim Chicken]

What if a Williams is a significant downgrade at RT? It's very possible with him having his first NFL experience at Guard and trying to switch.

I think we need a vet RT.

 

[conner01]

I think people are gonna be with Williams just like they were with many players when they judged their career based on rookie season
Collins is not going back to guard
The deal for him to sign here was a chance to play tackle. If you go back on that you won’t be getting those types of deals again
Collins will not likely get a new deal even if he has a good year. You have too many on the oline in huge contracts
I don’t think we will get a OT in this draft but it’s possible and would be great if you can develope him a year and step in for Collins the next year
Getting Fred back will be huge but it wasn’t just Fred. We had 8 or 9 oline guys play last year

 

[Stash]

Good summary Stash. Agree with moving Collins back to LG. Now, can you convince Inspector Columbo to take off the trench coat. roll up his sleeves and make it happen? Oh and one more thing, put in a good word for S'ua and Freddy for us

I'm going to try my best to at least get a buzz started about the possibility. Maybe somehow, it reaches someone who can actually do something about it.

 

[conner01]

What if a Williams is a significant downgrade at RT? It's very possible with him having his first NFL experience at Guard and trying to switch.

I think we need a vet RT.

I’d like to keep Fleming but a vet for swing tackle would be smart. Swing is tough so a guy who’s had experience on both sides is the ideal swing

 

[Hennessy_King]

I think people are gonna be with Williams just like they were with many players when they judged their career based on rookie season
Collins is not going back to guard
The deal for him to sign here was a chance to play tackle. If you go back on that you won’t be getting those types of deals again
Collins will not likely get a new deal even if he has a good year. You have too many on the oline in huge contracts
I don’t think we will get a OT in this draft but it’s possible and would be great if you can develope him a year and step in for Collins the next year
Getting Fred back will be huge but it wasn’t just Fred. We had 8 or 9 oline guys play last year

This is what makes it even worse. Jerry told him he would play tackle and pay him tackle money. He is so much better at guard than tackle. He's not a bad tackle but man he's better than anything we've brought in at guard by a lot.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I’d like to keep Fleming but a vet for swing tackle would be smart. Swing is tough so a guy who’s had experience on both sides is the ideal swing

I want a vet starter at RT.

 

[Stash]

What if a Williams is a significant downgrade at RT? It's very possible with him having his first NFL experience at Guard and trying to switch.

I think we need a vet RT.

I don't discount that as a possibility. That's why if it were up to me, I'd keep Fleming and draft a mid round tackle as well.

Between Tyron Smith and Collins there are enough questions at tackle already.

 

[Stash]

I think people are gonna be with Williams just like they were with many players when they judged their career based on rookie season
Collins is not going back to guard
The deal for him to sign here was a chance to play tackle. If you go back on that you won’t be getting those types of deals again

And Jerry and the team honored every promise they ever made to Collins. And then some.

Collins will not likely get a new deal even if he has a good year. You have too many on the oline in huge contracts

Not for $10 million to play mediocre right tackle he won't, that's for sure.

I don’t think we will get a OT in this draft but it’s possible and would be great if you can develope him a year and step in for Collins the next year

I certainly would. There are too many question marks at both tackle spots as it is.

Getting Fred back will be huge but it wasn’t just Fred. We had 8 or 9 oline guys play last year

Fredrick plays center. He can't play left guard and tackle too.

 

[Stash]

This is what makes it even worse. Jerry told him he would play tackle and pay him tackle money. He is so much better at guard than tackle. He's not a bad tackle but man he's better than anything we've brought in at guard by a lot.

Well the promise was honored. It wasn't a contract for life.

He can play out this year being an average tackle, and then struggle to get paid elsewhere in 2020, or he can do what he does best and look his best for the future, be it here or somewhere else. But nobody is going to pay Collins $10 million a year to be average at right tackle.

 

[John813]

Connor Williams arms are 1/4" shorter than Collins.

I couldn't imagine he would be worse laterally/footwork.

Would like to see it but I doubt it.

 

[Vanilla2]

Are we cornfusing Collins with Leary?

I’m trying to remember how good Collins was at guard.

 

[charron]

Are we cornfusing Collins with Leary?

I’m trying to remember how good Collins was at guard.

Collins was the guy blocking a DT back 10 yards opening mammoth holes for the RB. Yes he needed a bit of help in the passing game but he was a beast in the run game.

 

[Stash]

Are we cornfusing Collins with Leary?

I’m trying to remember how good Collins was at guard.

 

[charron]

The more I look at things, the clearer it gets. The more film I watch, the more draft reports I read, and the more bad short yardage and goal line stats make clear, change needs to happen on the offensive line.

La'el Collins needs to go back to left guard. The 6'4" 320 lb lineman needs to go back to mauling people in a phone booth. To driving opponents off the ball in front of him. To move away from being unsure of himself, and who to block, and back to lining up and doing what he does best. You want to improve in short yardage situations? Line Collins up inside and let him do what he does best, drive people off the ball. Have two strengths at guard, on both sides, rather than having to pull your left guard to try to get any sort of movement. Stop playing with one arm tied behind your back.

At nearly $10 million in cap hit, Collins isn't worth the money at right tackle. He just might be at guard.

Connor Williams needs to go back to playing tackle. Right tackle, left tackle, swing tackle, any tackle. At 6'5" and 300 lbs, he's simply miscast inside. It may have made sense on paper, but it doesn't and never did on the field. Move him away from being bullrushed and run over and allow him to use his best attributes, feet and agility, to move on the perimeter and mirror pass rushers. Get better in pass protection by having a tackle play tackle.

As a second round draft pick, Williams is a liability, not an asset at guard. He lost the job to Xavier Su'a Filo for much of the season, and only got it back after the street free agent was hurt.

As it stands today, the team has two guys playing out of position, and it's hurting both of them and the team. Two guys trying to be something they're not. And it needs to end.

Completely agree. I never liked moving Collins to RT. Conner needs to bulk up and get stronger either way. Having Columbo in charge may settle all of them down and if we get F Beard back we will still be better than last season.