I'm disapointed in those who are blaming Bledsoe for our troubles

[Yakuza Rich]

Many of Bledsoe's turnovers are his own doing. And for all of the talk about pass protection, in week 3 Eli Manning got sacked NINE times by the Philly defense and at the end of the game, when he did get protection, he made the throws. OTOH, when Bledsoe had the time, he made awful throws.

Right now the defense is doing a solid job in getting takeaways....ranking tied for 11th in that category.

Unfortunately, the offense is has the 4 highest amount of turnovers and 80% of those turnovers are from Bledsoe.

Thus, Dallas has a negative turnover margin and is a 2-2 team.


YAKUZA

 

[Crown Royal]

Not on this board. When we beat Houston this afternoon Bledsoe will get no credit. His record here is 11-9 before today but somehow he is responsible for all of the 9 losses and none of the 11 wins.
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That isn't really true. I give him credit for playing well against crappy competition. But you tell me when he has looked really good against a good team and we won.

 

[Mansta54]

no that's not debate. what you posted is debating apples vs oranges

i didn't say DREW is the ONLY reason we're not 4-0, nor that we couldn't be 4-0 even with Drew's F- level play (we could have).

the fact remains - all things the same - with AVG QB play we're 4-0.

i'd even go as far as say C- below avg play gets us 4-0.

He's killing us!!!!!

 

[Rack]

no that's not debate. what you posted is debating apples vs oranges

i didn't say DREW is the ONLY reason we're not 4-0, nor that we couldn't be 4-0 even with Drew's F- level play (we could have).

the fact remains - all things the same - with AVG QB play we're 4-0.

i'd even go as far as say C- below avg play gets us 4-0.

Sorry, but it IS debatable. PERIOD.

How could it possibly NOT be debatable?


Put Manning back there, and with the protection Bledsoe got vs the Eagles, we STILL lose the game.


I've said this many times...

Ignorant fans always put too much blame on the QB.

 

[Crown Royal]

Sorry, but it IS debatable. PERIOD.

How could it possibly NOT be debatable?


Put Manning back there, and with the protection Bledsoe got vs the Eagles, we STILL lose the game.


I've said this many times...

Ignorant fans always put too much blame on the QB.

You're joking, right? Manning doesn't throw those interceptions and we win. Manning is intelligent enough to change the snap count and give the line time to adjust. And he doesn't throw stupid INTs because of footsteps.

 

[Frosty]

Sorry, but it IS debatable. PERIOD.

How could it possibly NOT be debatable?


Put Manning back there, and with the protection Bledsoe got vs the Eagles, we STILL lose the game.


I've said this many times...

Ignorant fans always put too much blame on the QB.

Manning is the Future, Bledsoe is at the end of his time
You could also debate the sky is not blue, if you wanted


:bang2:

 

[Rack]

You're joking, right? Manning doesn't throw those interceptions and we win. Manning is intelligent enough to change the snap count and give the line time to adjust. And he doesn't throw stupid INTs because of footsteps.

Manning has already SHOWN how he plays when he gets pressured.


Shall I bring up the stats vs the Pats in the playoffs a couple of years ago?


Edit:

Here you go...

 

[chinch]

Sorry, but it IS debatable. PERIOD.

How could it possibly NOT be debatable?

Put Manning back there, and with the protection Bledsoe got vs the Eagles, we STILL lose the game.

I've said this many times...

Ignorant fans always put too much blame on the QB.

reread my last post

 

[BrassCowboy]

Ok, i put blame on Bledsoe so i guess you are talking about me. One example of why i blame Bledsoe is the first INT he gave up in the game. It was a stunt and Kosier didnt see the guy stunt and was late. This rusher is coming at Bledsoe at full speed...Bledsoe was looking in that direction and yet tried to make the throw getting his arm hit resulting in an INT. Now he saw this guy coming yet didn’t just take the sack. That’s the QBs fault. I could understand if it was from the blind side as in the first fumble. That was all Adams. Now if Bledsoe had any kindof pocket presense, he would have side stepped the pressure, he could have done this being that the rusher was coming at him full speed. It was a stunt so the left side of the pocket was completely protected, look at the play again. Bledsoe later had his arm hit again, this time Rivera was getting bullrushed. Yet Bledsoe looking in that direction chose to try to make the throw getting his arm hit and resulted in an incomplete pass but only because the philly defender dropped the easiest INT of his career. My point in all this is to say, Bledsoe saw the pressure at times yet made a mistake of doing too much and resulting in mistakes. Something Parcells has accused of Bledsoe of doing at times. He needs to protect the ball better, that is on him.

I agree with you... Bledsoe played about as bad as a QB can play despite the pressure (because to Bledsoe, he played like he was always pressured).

 

[Rack]

reread my last post

I read this...

the fact remains - all things the same - with AVG QB play we're 4-0.

I'm sorry but that's BS. All things being the same, and AVERAGE QB wouldn't of "won" the game last week. Not with defensive tackles coming at him unblocked.


I don't like that you call it a "Fact" that we'd be 4-0 with an average QB. You have absolutely NO way of proving this. It's nothing more then an opinion, and it's the opinion of an ignorant fan.

Nuff said.

 

[Crown Royal]

I read this...





I'm sorry but that's BS. All things being the same, and AVERAGE QB wouldn't of "won" the game last week. Not with defensive tackles coming at him unblocked.


I don't like that you call it a "Fact" that we'd be 4-0 with an average QB. You have absolutely NO way of proving this. It's nothing more then an opinion, and it's the opinion of an ignorant fan.

Nuff said.

It's a good opinion. We got bad QB play in both the Jax and the Eagles game. We lost the latter by a little, but if we don't throw those two INTs, we probably win. Complete 2-3 more passes, we probably win.

And in that game, the pass blocking was WORSE than it was in Jax.

Jax pass blocking wasn't very bad (read Yakuza's blog). But when the ball is held onto forever, that's what happens.

I guess NE and Buffalo are ignorant too.

 

[Rack]

It's a good opinion. We got bad QB play in both the Jax and the Eagles game. We lost the latter by a little, but if we don't throw those two INTs, we probably win. Complete 2-3 more passes, we probably win.

And in that game, the pass blocking was WORSE than it was in Jax.

Jax pass blocking wasn't very bad (read Yakuza's blog). But when the ball is held onto forever, that's what happens.

I guess NE and Buffalo are ignorant too.

I disagree. The biggest reason we had "Bad QB play" in those games is cuz of the poor pass protection.

I'd argue that with AVERAGE pass protection in those games, we would of had at least average QB play.

And what do NE and Buff have to do with anything? Just like intelligent cowboys fans know (and knew before Drew came here) that the only way he'd be effective is with good protection. So there's no sense crying about it now when he's ineffective when pressure. WE ALREADY KNEW HE WAS INEFFECTIVE WHEN PRESSURED.

Many people said before the season started, "The season's success - or lack thereof - will depend on the OL. Did you not read any of those threads?

Evenso, last week you could of had Peyton Manning back there and we would of lost. I'm sorry, but when you allow a DT to come through unblocked, not once, not twice, but THREE times you are gonna lose.

 

[Crown Royal]

I disagree. The biggest reason we had "Bad QB play" in those games is cuz of the poor pass protection.

I'd argue that with AVERAGE pass protection in those games, we would of had at least average QB play.

And what do NE and Buff have to do with anything? Just like intelligent cowboys fans know (and knew before Drew came here) that the only way he'd be effective is with good protection. So there's no sense crying about it now when he's ineffective when pressure. WE ALREADY KNEW HE WAS INEFFECTIVE WHEN PRESSURED.

Many people said before the season started, "The season's success - or lack thereof - will depend on the OL. Did you not read any of those threads?

Evenso, last week you could of had Peyton Manning back there and we would of lost. I'm sorry, but when you allow a DT to come through unblocked, not once, not twice, but THREE times you are gonna lose.

Yes Rack, I read them all. The point is, Bledsoe makes your OL worse than it really is by holding the ball and inviting the pass rush. Yes, he was under duress - but his snap count was foolish, he made no quick reads, and when he had time, he still heard phantom footsteps. As a QB in this league, you are going to face pressure. The good QBs adjust to it and still find a way. Bledsoe requires that we build a pass blocking OL that can't be built.

 

[Sarge]

But he wasn't the only one to have a bad game and doesn't deserve all the blame.

I see alot of blame being placed elswhere. I've seen some blame thrown at the OL, Watkins and elswhere.

Never said Bledsoe deserved ALL the blame. Don't know where you got that from.

Fact is...Bledsoe is partially to blame and people should not be raked over the coals for stating same........it's ridiculous.

 

[chinch]

I'm sorry but that's BS. All things being the same, and AVERAGE QB wouldn't of "won" the game last week. Not with defensive tackles coming at him unblocked.

good spin but nope.

drew was abysmal, from start to finish... missing plays all over the place and then of course the turnovers.

the "unblocked" pressure was enhanced as he wilted... very easy game plan to RUSH ALL OUT CAUSE THE QB CANT HIT THE SIDE OF A BARN.

 

[Rack]

Yes Rack, I read them all. The point is, Bledsoe makes your OL worse than it really is by holding the ball and inviting the pass rush. Yes, he was under duress - but his snap count was foolish, he made no quick reads, and when he had time, he still heard phantom footsteps. As a QB in this league, you are going to face pressure. The good QBs adjust to it and still find a way. Bledsoe requires that we build a pass blocking OL that can't be built.

I agree a lot of times he holds the ball too long. THAT'S THE POINT. He needs GOOD protection because HE HOLDS THE BALL TOO LONG.


But holding the ball too long wasn't the problem last week.

 

[Sarge]

Morning Sarge.

Hope the Bledsoe show is coming to an end soon.

Morning Winks.

I'm with ya.

 

[Rack]

good spin but nope.

drew was abysmal, from start to finish... missing plays all over the place and then of course the turnovers.

the "unblocked" pressure was enhanced as he wilted... very easy game plan to RUSH ALL OUT CAUSE THE QB CANT HIT THE SIDE OF A BARN.

You put unblocked in "" as if I made it up.

If you don't remember seeing Darwin Walking going UNBLOCKED 3 different times then you're more ignorant then even I thought.

Whatever. It's one thing to argue with an ignoramous that at least is willing to learn. But arguing with an ignoramous that doesn't even know he's an ignoramous is pointless.

I know what I know. I can care less what you think.

 

[chinch]

Whatever. It's one thing to argue with an ignoramous that at least is willing to learn. But arguing with an ignoramous that doesn't even know he's an ignoramous is pointless.

I know what I know. I can care less what you think.

yawn.