I'm done hating on: Wade

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While I still have reservations as to whether or not we'll go deep into the playoffs, I cannot continue to overlook the fact that Wade has this team prepared to play week in and week out. He has somehow managed to shun the criticism and not let it permeate his locker room. I truly hope this team continues to ascend and can accept the fact that Wade and Jason are beginning to make things happen on a more consistent basis. I'm far from a "Wade fan" but do appreciate the way in which he has prepared this team for a very tough December/January stretch. Coaches need love too and I figured now is as good a time as any to dish some out. Bravo Wade.
 

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Bleu Star;3195639 said:
While I still have reservations as to whether or not we'll go deep into the playoffs, I cannot continue to overlook the fact that Wade has this team prepared to play week in and week out. He has somehow managed to shun the criticism and not let it permeate his locker room. I truly hope this team continues to ascend and can accept the fact that Wade and Jason are beginning to make things happen on a more consistent basis. I'm far from a "Wade fan" but do appreciate the way in which he has prepared this team for a very tough December/January stretch. Coaches need love too and I figured now is as good a time as any to dish some out. Bravo Wade.

Yeah, I mean the bottom-line truth of this team that few want to admit is: We're a well-coached football team.

Win or lose Saturday.
 

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He's done a great job the 2nd half of the season in preparing the D. I still have serious reservations about his ability to lead the team starting next week.
 

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I can't say I've ever thought Wade was the guy for the job, but at the same time you can't exactly argue with what he's produced this year. If you have a team of very self-motivated guys, I think you just might be able to win with a Wade. If not, you get disasters like last season. Maybe this is just the right combination? We'll see, and the playoffs will indeed be telling. All I know is that with the defense currently playing some great football, I think Wade's job is safe and I can't say I'm all that upset about that.
 

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I can to the realization a couple of weeks ago that we "really" don't have a HC on this team....he's a spokesman for the coaching staff. He's a DC and nothing more.

He can't over-rule any of the other coaches.

None of us here has had a problem with him being the DC....in fact, many of us have said that if he were just the DC that we'd be fine with it....well, that is what he is.

If we could get a coach in here that had autonomy and that could ream the other coaches for decisions that they make in game, that's another story, but this situation is different.

This is a trend that I see the NFL taking.....no more true HC's, just an OC and DC with one of them being the spokesperson...
 

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Wade's done a fine job, a playoff win will mean so much to everyone in this organization that there is no way we can't have him back for one more run should we fall short.

I'm beginning to picture Wade in the fabric of the future of the Dallas Cowboys past his HC tenure... It's clear he knows player personnel and how to motivate today's NFL players.

I really think he should be considered for a front office job with the club when he turns the keys over to JG, which is an eventuality we all need to face as fans.
 

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chuffly;3195668 said:
I can't say I've ever thought Wade was the guy for the job, but at the same time you can't exactly argue with what he's produced this year. If you have a team of very self-motivated guys, I think you just might be able to win with a Wade. If not, you get disasters like last season. Maybe this is just the right combination? We'll see, and the playoffs will indeed be telling. All I know is that with the defense currently playing some great football, I think Wade's job is safe and I can't say I'm all that upset about that.

Not to call you out, but I think this is the exact kind of mindset I am starting to highly, highly disagree with when it comes with Wade.

I don't think the difference between this year and last is merely that we now have self motivated guys. Last year's roster was toxic, as it's since been proven. Do we really hang it on Wade that he couldn't make it work when guys like T.O., Pacman and Tank were tearing the house down from within? It's like blaming a foster parent for not being able to turn around three problem children that are aged 17 and under their supervision for six months. Hard to undo 17 years in six months, you know what I mean?

I also think it's unfair to Wade to sweep what he's done this year under the rug as "well, these players are self motivated." Even Jim Caldwell gets more credit lol.
 

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Jimz31;3195674 said:
I can to the realization a couple of weeks ago that we "really" don't have a HC on this team....he's a spokesman for the coaching staff. He's a DC and nothing more.

He can't over-rule any of the other coaches.

None of us here has had a problem with him being the DC....in fact, many of us have said that if he were just the DC that we'd be fine with it....well, that is what he is.

If we could get a coach in here that had autonomy and that could ream the other coaches for decisions that they make in game, that's another story, but this situation is different.

This is a trend that I see the NFL taking.....no more true HC's, just an OC and DC with one of them being the spokesperson...

Sorry, just no other way to put it then say, thats one dumb realization. I am not a Wade fan myself and never been one. But to say, he is not the HC, is just plain stupid at this point. This is NFL,you don't luck yourself into a winning team on a consistent basis, without a good HC, wether he is a also the DC or OC of the team.

Wade might not be the Ra-Ra guy we all would like him to be etc., but proof is in the pudding. IF they win next saturday, Wade will have proved himself to be a good HC. Maybe not a Great HC, but definetly a good HC. The December/January schedule was brutal for Cowboys, yet they came out with a Winning record, and probably if not for 3 plays against Giants, could have come away with 4-1 December record. San Diego Game, I thought cowboys didn't have control.
 

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I'm done hating on Jessica. She can't help it that she's fat.
 

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All I know is if you get rid of Wade as the head coach at the end of the season than you better get on your hands and knees and beg him to stay as your defensive coordinator.

I wouldn't want to get rid of Wade for the simple fact we play really good defense these days.
 

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I'd still like to see more accountability on these penalties.

Great win today, but we had a bunch of stupid penalties. You can't do that and win consistently.
 

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CATCH17;3195825 said:
All I know is if you get rid of Wade as the head coach at the end of the season than you better get on your hands and knees and beg him to stay as your defensive coordinator.

I wouldn't want to get rid of Wade for the simple fact we play really good defense these days.

I feel like if people had their way, they'd want a coach who provides the exact results Wade has given us -- only with some guaranteed playoff wins, which may or may not come this year -- with the exception of how he comes across to the public.

They'd want a rah-rah guy who gets angry, calls out players that perform badly, etc. Not as out there as Parcells, but close.
 

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RCowboyFan;3195810 said:
Sorry, just no other way to put it then say, thats one dumb realization. I am not a Wade fan myself and never been one. But to say, he is not the HC, is just plain stupid at this point. This is NFL,you don't luck yourself into a winning team on a consistent basis, without a good HC, wether he is a also the DC or OC of the team.

Wade might not be the Ra-Ra guy we all would like him to be etc., but proof is in the pudding. IF they win next saturday, Wade will have proved himself to be a good HC. Maybe not a Great HC, but definetly a good HC. The December/January schedule was brutal for Cowboys, yet they came out with a Winning record, and probably if not for 3 plays against Giants, could have come away with 4-1 December record. San Diego Game, I thought cowboys didn't have control.

You can go ahead and keep believing that he is the HC like JJ was....or like Landry was...but he's not....it's patently obvious.

I'm not saying that he's not the HC....but he's not one in the conventional way of thinking....
 

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RainMan;3195840 said:
I feel like if people had their way, they'd want a coach who provides the exact results Wade has given us -- only with some guaranteed playoff wins, which may or may not come this year -- with the exception of how he comes across to the public.

They'd want a rah-rah guy who gets angry, calls out players that perform badly, etc. Not as out there as Parcells, but close.

I think those people just want better press conferences.
 

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You know, the more I think about it the more I think Wade needs to be back next year. I think this team needs the continuity. I think these players fight harder for a guy that won't call them losers when he's goaded into it by the media. I think they will fight harder for him and for themselves if they don't "fear the whip" every time a mistake is made. I think this collection of players just responds well to Wade's approach.

8 weeks ago I never would have uttered those words. But, like I said, the more I think about it, the more I want him back. I just think the continuity would serve us better than a staff shake up would. Call me crazy.
 

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Jimz31;3195858 said:
You can go ahead and keep believing that he is the HC like JJ was....or like Landry was...but he's not....it's patently obvious.

I'm not saying that he's not the HC....but he's not one in the conventional way of thinking....

And who is like JJ in this NFL? Only one that can even claim it is Bill Belichek. And JJ has many different memories much like Jerry Jones about his Cowboys Tenure. Tom Landry didn't draft the players either.

Anyway, I don't care what you believe or I believe, all that matters is, its fact that without a good HC, you don't win consistently. Especially with Media and fans constantly on you.
 

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skinsscalper;3195868 said:
You know, the more I think about it the more I think Wade needs to be back next year. I think this team needs the continuity. I think these players fight harder for a guy that won't call them losers when he's goaded into it by the media. I think they will fight harder for him and for themselves if they don't "fear the whip" every time a mistake is made. I think this collection of players just responds well to Wade's approach.

8 weeks ago I never would have uttered those words. But, like I said, the more I think about it, the more I want him back. I just think the continuity would serve us better than a staff shake up would. Call me crazy.

Oh, I absolutely agree. I think it goes without saying. Unless Wade does something just barbarically stupid next week -- starts Kitna, calls a timeout to blow his nose, goes with a 7-man defense -- he's back.
 

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RainMan;3195699 said:
Not to call you out, but I think this is the exact kind of mindset I am starting to highly, highly disagree with when it comes with Wade.

I don't think the difference between this year and last is merely that we now have self motivated guys. Last year's roster was toxic, as it's since been proven. Do we really hang it on Wade that he couldn't make it work when guys like T.O., Pacman and Tank were tearing the house down from within? It's like blaming a foster parent for not being able to turn around three problem children that are aged 17 and under their supervision for six months. Hard to undo 17 years in six months, you know what I mean?

I also think it's unfair to Wade to sweep what he's done this year under the rug as "well, these players are self motivated." Even Jim Caldwell gets more credit lol.

I'm not entirely trying to sweep it under the rug, and Wade is probably better at "running a team" or "getting guys ready to play" than he is getting credit for. But I just think in general some of that stuff gets kind of overrated in the first place. I think everyone has seen those movies where guys like Bear Bryant yell at the players a bunch and run them through the grindstone, and so it seems like that is how you coach a football team. But I don't think every team necessarily needs that, especially if you have guys that are focused and able to motivate from within. Every team is just a little bit different, and maybe this one doesn't need the micromanager that everyone has been clamoring for.

Could a lot of coaches have won with TO, Tank, Pac, etc? Probably not, but I also don't know if other coaches would let them get as far under the skin of the team like Wade did. It may not be a great situation for many, but it was a terrible situation for a guy like Wade that doesn't seem to want to be confrontational.

This isn't a knock on Wade because every coach has strengths and weaknesses. Wade has clearly brought some good things that the team needed. He's finally gotten that defense shored up that was a problem before he got here. He isn't running the team's spirits into the ground like Parcells. The team's drafting seems to be pretty good since he has been here. I'm not sure who to credit for that, whether Wade is having a lot of input or the scouting system Jerry has put in place is responsible. But even if it is the latter, it's still a credit to Wade for not having the ego to step in considering how many brand-name coaching candidates out there seem to want to be in charge of drafting and don't exactly have a good track record there.

This is a long ramble that isn't going anywhere so I guess what I'm trying to say is that in a weird way, Wade may actually be exactly what we needed. I think with coaches you have to find a guy whose strengths bring something you lacked and weaknesses are able to be overcome by the rest of the organization. I could feel completely different in another week or two, but at this point you have to feel pretty good about the direction this thing is headed.
 
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