I'm done with all the negative takes on the RW trade

[Hac Ptui]

Just the one last year against the Jets.

Hence my "ironic" post.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

Hence my "ironic" post.

hmmm....

 

[Hac Ptui]

hmmm....

Cryptic. Yet interesting, huh?

 

[Boysboy]

In the 2008 nfl draft, Baltimore traded from 26 to 18 with third and sixth round picks. How in the world would the Cowboys get a comparable player to Roy Williams in a similar trade in the 2009 nfl draft? Roy was the 7th overall player in the 2004 nfl draft and is 6-3 220 with 4.37 and a 39.5 vj.

They had the luxury to do so b/c JAX wanted to trade up to the #7 with them(to get Derrick Harvey). Not sure what Balt got in return, but they probably got a good bit.

Pt being that after being at #26 as a result of the trade with JAX, they themselves had the luxury to trade up to #18. It was PROBABLY a reach to do so b/c Joe Flacco would likely have been available at #26 anyways. But nonetheless, Flacco is going to be their long-term future.

The same can be said about us-especially with the Pacman suspension, we were stacked with picks. We had the luxury to make a deal with Detroit.

 

[avaj]

As anything else time will tell

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't think you'll see a lot out of the trade this weekend. A couple of plays, hopefully at least one big one, but in the coming weeks he'll prove, many times over, to be worth the deal. But you won't have anyone who hated it, and talked loads of smack, own up to being wrong. Guys like Nors will simply not come around for a couple of weeks, much like Spytheweb guy, when their mouth running is proven wrong.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Seriously?


Quick. Tell me how many pick 6's TNew has.....

Shhhh... Newman is a touchy subject on this board, you'll be a chicken little if you question paying a 30 something year old CB that doesn't make any plays 80 million dollars.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Just the one last year against the Jets.

Which was a gift. Derek Ross woulda housed that one too.

 

[Rack]

To me, it depends upon the results of the season. If it results in a SB win, then I can't complain.

I agree with that 100%.

Found a 2004 scouting report by Gil Brandt on that wr class. Shows his atleticism against Larry Fitzgerald and a Terry Glenn clone in Lee Evans.




1. Roy Williams, Texas (6-21/2, 212)
Ran 4.37 and 4.42 in the 40, 3.97 in the short shuttle and 6.75 in the three-cone drill. He had a 39 1/2-inch vertical jump and an 11-foot-0 long jump. He played wide receiver and safety in high school and was a three-year starter. In one playoff game in 1999 against Abilene Cooper, Williams had five catches for 233 yards. On one play he caught a three-yard out and ran 99 yards. Williams also lettered in track and in the spring of 2000 he won the long jump (25-foot-6) at the state track meet. He was also second in the high jump (6-foot-10) and third in the 100 meters (10.48). At Texas, Williams started six games as a true freshman, catching 40 passes and had eight touchdowns (longest play was 96 yards). He has great hands and super quickness. Can stop and start running full speed after two steps. He has a great burst. He can be a great player, outstanding person as well.


2. Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh (6-2 7/8, 225)
Ran 4.47 and 4.51 in the 40, 4.27 in the short shuttle and 6.97 in the cone drill. He had a 35-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-1 long jump. He played wide receiver and defensive back in high school, and also played linebacker in his junior year. He also lettered in basketball and track. Spent the 2001 season at Valley Forge Military Academy, collecting seven TD grabs in six games. Started 11 of 13 games in 2002, catching 69 passes and 12 TDs. He had 92 catches and 22 TDs in 2003. He's a big, physical wide receiver with great hands - A Michael Irving type catching slant routes. A Cris Carter type of hands. Should be a fantasy player delight. He makes some great catches. An outstanding player and an even better person.


6. Lee Evans, Wisconsin (5-10 7/8, 197)
Ran 4.40 and 4.44 in the 40, 4.02 in the short shuttle and 6.74 in the cone drill. He had 34-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-0 long jump. Played wide receiver and running back in high school. Also played on defense and lettered in track (finished 2nd in 300-meter hurdles in state meet). At Wisconsin, he played and started two games as a freshman in 1999. Started 25 games over the next two years. He was injured in a spring game (4/20/02) and did not play in 2002. Caught 64 passes and 13 TDs in 2003. He's the type of person you want on your team. Hard worker and a great person. Outstanding athlete who will compete. He was not 100 percent healthy for the 2003 season. Has good hands and will catch in the crossing routes. He turned 23 in March.


http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2004/04/20/2/

Wish people would stop quoting 40 times to justify their belief that someone is "Fast". 40 yard dashes aren't the same thing as football speed.


Look, Roy isn't a slow in any way shape or form. And he DOES run a fast 40. But this STYLE on the football field isn't that of a "Speed" WR. So his 40 time is useless in this situation. By his own admission, he's a possession WR. Now, even I don't completely agree with that, but he's certainly not a Steve Smith type either.

He's not slow, but his style isn't that of a speed WR so his 40 time is irrelevatn (Figured I'd reiterate since some of you don't let is sink in unless you read it over and over and over and over again).

 

[Hac Ptui]

Shhhh... Newman is a touchy subject on this board, you'll be a chicken little if you question paying a 30 something year old CB that doesn't make any plays 80 million dollars.

Lol. By all means, then.....

 

[Spectre]

Roy Williams has done something I thought no one could do... He's gotten jimmy40 and Spectre to make positive posts.

So mad props to the new RW.

hey, I resent that remark.


I make plenty of positive posts...

it's just the negative ones are the only ones that draw any response.

 

[Robbieac]

Shhhh... Newman is a touchy subject on this board, you'll be a chicken little if you question paying a 30 something year old CB that doesn't make any plays 80 million dollars.

When was Newman payed 80 million dollars?

 

[ryanbabs]

Anyone speaking ill of that trade is simply looking for things to gripe about.

...or either an Eagles, Commanders, or Giants fan!

:eagles: :giants: :skins::suxiggle: :suxjints: :suxskins:

 

[STSINAZ]

Post of the Day You can close CZ for the rest of the night after this one =).

This is the trade that will put us over the top for years to come and anybody who can't see that is an idiot

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Was the 3rd round draft pick a little too much? Yeah, but we already had another, and that pick was obtained for situations like this. I don't think it's going to be missed either because we're not in rebuilding mode anyways, but in SB contention mode.

Why can't people understand this?

 

[cowboyjoe]

I agree about people bashing roy wililams WR when they havent even seen him play and what he can or will or wont due. Thats like judging a book before even reading the book.

Dont be so quick to judge before you see the results.

I have a friend the same way, he is condeming the trade, and saying that he no longer be a cowboy die hard fan, but he will join the stinking Commanders.

I am working on him, and saying you should wait and see before you judge, you could be wrong. I told him, what if your wrong, and roy williams will do great in Dallas. Just like when jay novachek joined the cowboys and did great, so did T O, whom people were bashing when he joined the team, leanord davis, and i said i could go on. He said im not wrong, but i said what if you are, he wouldnt admit it, so i said, lets just wait and give at least 3 games till the washington game, then tell me what you think.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Not true. I'm happy to have a playmaker on the team, but we gave up too much for him.


Sorry if my opinion doesn't match yours, but I don't just feel that way cuz "I'm looking for things to gripe about".


Why would anyone need to look for things to gripe about anyway? IT's not like there's no legitimate gripe worthy things regarding the team already.

We gave up a 1. Was there any WR in the last draft, or in next year's draft worth a 1? No.

We gave up a 3. He is a probowler, so extra compensation was required since he was in the top 10 when he came out.

The sixth was immediately offset by Pacman's 5th returned to Dallas.

So this team gets a proven product that was a top 10 pick for a late first and a late third and a give me 6 that we got compensated for when Pacman did a nose dive.

I fail to see how anyone can think we overpaid.

 

[cowboyjoe]

the trade was even for both sides to me

granted, the cowboys should have given their 1st, 4th and 6th, but i can live with the trade, lets see how roy williams works out first, and go from there;

has to be to me, at least 3 to 4 weeks before you see some positive big plays from williams to me, timing and all, plus this week most likely brad johnson is going to play.

Hopefully romo can watch brad and learn some ball control and not turn the ball over every game, that has to stop for sure.

I am trying to think of it, maybe one of you cowboy fans can help me remember.

there was a wr that was picked up late by a team, either by trade or when the wr was cut, and it took alttle time before the timing came into place, but the player did help that team get to the playoffs best i remember,

i remember it vaguely, so going to do some research, and see what wr it was, but maybe some of you can help remind me whom the player was and what team,

im thinking the team was the bills or oilers, but not for sure, just remember it vaguely

 

[Boysboy]

the trade was even for both sides to me

granted, the cowboys should have given their 1st, 4th and 6th, but i can live with the trade, lets see how roy williams works out first, and go from there;

has to be to me, at least 3 to 4 weeks before you see some positive big plays from williams to me, timing and all, plus this week most likely brad johnson is going to play.

Hopefully romo can watch brad and learn some ball control and not turn the ball over every game, that has to stop for sure.

I am trying to think of it, maybe one of you cowboy fans can help me remember.

there was a wr that was picked up late by a team, either by trade or when the wr was cut, and it took alttle time before the timing came into place, but the player did help that team get to the playoffs best i remember,

i remember it vaguely, so going to do some research, and see what wr it was, but maybe some of you can help remind me whom the player was and what team,

im thinking the team was the bills or oilers, but not for sure, just remember it vaguely

When the Eagles traded for Dante Stallworth like 10 days before the '06 reg season started? If I remember correctly, the preseason games were over at the time.

He made a splash the minute opening kickoff started, despite not being familiar with the playbook and McNabb.

Yeah-the Saints under Haslett played the WCO like the Eagles do, but Reid's playbook is alot like Mike Martz's, despite being WCO by name.

 

[Rack]

We gave up a 1. Was there any WR in the last draft, or in next year's draft worth a 1? No.

We gave up a 3. He is a probowler, so extra compensation was required since he was in the top 10 when he came out.

The sixth was immediately offset by Pacman's 5th returned to Dallas.

So this team gets a proven product that was a top 10 pick for a late first and a late third and a give me 6 that we got compensated for when Pacman did a nose dive.

I fail to see how anyone can think we overpaid.

That's irrelevant.

No matter how you try and spin it, we gave up a 1, 3, 7. That's too much.