I'm done with all the negative takes on the RW trade

[Boysboy]

That's irrelevant.

No matter how you try and spin it, we gave up a 1, 3, 7. That's too much.

Actually- 1, 3, 6, but ended up getting a 7 IN RETURN. So if anything, we switched a 6 for a 7. A 1 and a 3 doesn't look that bad.

Just saying...

 

[Rack]

Actually- 1, 3, 6, but ended up getting a 7 IN RETURN. So if anything, we switched a 6 for a 7. A 1 and a 3 doesn't look that bad.

Just saying...

Still irrelevant.


Sorry you koolaid drinkers have a problem with my opinion. Oh well.


Like I said, I'm happy to have RW11 on the team, just wish we'd given them a 2,3,7 instead of the 1.

 

[Boysboy]

Still irrelevant.


Sorry you koolaid drinkers have a problem with my opinion. Oh well.


Like I said, I'm happy to have RW11 on the team, just wish we'd given them a 2,3,7 instead of the 1.

It could be worse-we could have forked over Demarcus Ware last Spring.

I'm not one of these kool-aid drinkers, but just saying...

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Still irrelevant.


Sorry you koolaid drinkers have a problem with my opinion. Oh well.


Like I said, I'm happy to have RW11 on the team, just wish we'd given them a 2,3,7 instead of the 1.

You do realize that we had extra picks (and still do) that we acquired specifically to make this move don't you?

 

[Boysboy]

You do realize that we had extra picks (and still do) that we acquired specifically to make this move don't you?

His point was that he wished it was our #2, NOT our #1 that was being traded.

Yes, we are stacked with picks next year, but he was trying to say that he wished we would have kept our #1 instead.

And also yes-he's thrilled with RW11.

 

[sonnyboy]

Still irrelevant.


Sorry you koolaid drinkers have a problem with my opinion. Oh well.


Like I said, I'm happy to have RW11 on the team, just wish we'd given them a 2,3,7 instead of the 1.

Ya, I wish we got him for just the 3rd and 7th. But let's be realistic here. When you say we overpaid and leave it at that, it leaves some questions.

One being where do you think those traded picks end up? 20 and 60, 28 and 84, 32 and 96?
The other being your perception of Roy Williams. Is he 5th, 15th, 30th best receiver in football?

Most people here see this as fair and balanced a trade as you'll find.

Because we believe the picks we surrendered will be 30-32 and 90-96. These picks packaged together in a trade up might get you as high as 20.

So is Roy today = 20th pk in the 2009 draft.

Since most of us see him as a top 20 receiver with top 10 receiver skills and since most of us see WR as a need and since most of us see the Cowboys as a SB team who should mortgage a little future for the sake of this year, we say YES!

 

[Boysboy]

Ya, I wish we got him for just the 3rd and 7th. But let's be realistic here. When you say we overpaid and leave it at that, it leaves some questions.

One being where do you think those traded picks end up? 20 and 60, 28 and 84, 32 and 96?
The other being your perception of Roy Williams. Is he 5th, 15th, 30th best receiver in football?

Most people here see this as fair and balanced a trade as you'll find.

Because we believe the picks we surrendered will be 30-32 and 90-96. These picks packaged together in a trade up might get you as high as 20.

So is Roy today = 20th pk in the 2009 draft.

Since most of us see him as a top 20 receiver with top 10 receiver skills and since most of us see WR as a need and since most of us see the Cowboys as a SB team who should mortgage a little future for the sake of this year, we say YES!

Just for the sake of argument...another example...

NOONE thought Leonard Davis was worth the $18m signing bonus he got b/c not only was he considered a #2 overall pick BUST in Arizona, but word was that his work ethics were lazy and unmotivated.

Flash forward 18 months later...he's been worth every penny, and he's been a MUCH, MUCH better pass protector than EVERYONE anticipated.

OK-I know this is on the FA side, but just saying...

 

[cowboyjoe]

boysboy, exactly my sentiments, leonard davis did great in a new enviornment, so did jay novachek, charles haley, thomas everett, chuck howley, and i could go on and on about the list,

give it a chance, remember most fans were dooming the cowboys for signing
T O too.

and look how many media personnel like brady tinker, whom didnt want him on the team and other fans that were against that move

give it a chance, dont judge, wait and see first, then if you were right, you were right, BUT IF YOUR WRONG ADMIT IT TOO, EAT THAT CROW, THEN MAYBE YOU WONT BE QUICK TO JUDGE PEOPLE

 

[MONT17]

I think those who rip this trade forget 1 thing. Jerry sux at drafting Pro Bowl talent! I think in 15 yrs u can attribute 1 or 2 of Jerrys picks who have made the Pro Bowl! Any true Cowboy fan should love this trade because we would be stuck with Kavika Pittmans instead!

 

[Robbieac]

I think those who rip this trade forget 1 thing. Jerry sux at drafting Pro Bowl talent! I think in 15 yrs u can attribute 1 or 2 of Jerrys picks who have made the Pro Bowl! Any true Cowboy fan should love this trade because we would be stuck with Kavika Pittmans instead!

I absolutely love the RW11 trade, but you're statement here is far from the truth. These are some Pro Bowlers who Jerry drafted:

Demarcus Ware
Jason Witten
Marion Barber
Greg Ellis
Terrence Newman
Flozell Adams
Roy Williams 38
Dexter Coakley
Jay Ratliff this year
Nick Folk


Earlier Years:
Larry Allen
Troy Aikman
Darren Woodson
Emmitt Smith
Russell Maryland
There are many more as well....

 

[JonJon]

it's a terrific trade, all the way around. Good for Dallas and good for Detroit.

Dallas had a slew of draft picks and the #1 likely would have been used on a WR anyway. As we all know, picking a 1st round WR is a throw of the dice, so the likelyhood of coming out with a good player is about 50/50. With Roy, we are assured of having a good player for the next decade.

And not just a good player... but one who has all-pro potential. Plus, he is a guy who is from Texas and wanted nothing more than to play for the team he grew up pulling for. In my book that counts for a lot.

So, that first was going to be used to fill the very position that we have now filled, except this guy isn't a gamble, he already knows how to play in the NFL, and he is physically ahead of where a rookie would be.

Plus, he is available to help the team this year...Next year's rookie does nothing for getting us to the Super Bowl this year.

That's irrelevant.

No matter how you try and spin it, we gave up a 1, 3, 7. That's too much.

Meh...A first and third is a bit pricey, but if we win the Super Bowl, I think it is worth it.

I have a friend the same way, he is condeming the trade, and saying that he no longer be a cowboy die hard fan, but he will join the stinking Commanders.

I am working on him, and saying you should wait and see before you judge, you could be wrong. I told him, what if your wrong, and roy williams will do great in Dallas. Just like when jay novachek joined the cowboys and did great, so did T O, whom people were bashing when he joined the team, leanord davis, and i said i could go on. He said im not wrong, but i said what if you are, he wouldnt admit it, so i said, lets just wait and give at least 3 games till the washington game, then tell me what you think.

Huh??? Your friend has chosen not to be a die-hard Cowboys fan anymore because we traded for Roy Williams and is now going to start rooting for the Commanders??? Sounds like he isn't that smart to begin with....you might just want to let him go. You never know when having dumb friends will come back to bite you.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's irrelevant.

No matter how you try and spin it, we gave up a 1, 3, 7. That's too much.

Assuming we picked 20th in each round, which is probably a lot worse than we will actually finish. The three picks according to the draft value chart equates to the 15th pick in the draft.

If we were picking 15th would you have an issue with just a first?

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't think the deal would have gotten done if Jerry had held out offering a 2nd round pick. It came down to the wire as it was and I'm glad they got it done rather than not.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

We shouldn't care what they say. They'll eat their words in a couple of weeks.
Besides, no one can argue RW #11's skill and physical potential. The man is not even in his prime yet, and we'll have him for years to come. This was a long term move, not one of desperation....

The only thing someone can say is that we gave up too much for him. Sure, he was going to be a free agent, but more chances than not, the Lions were going to milk it for all it's worth. Besides, we couldn't let him go to Philly or another NFC team.

A low 1st that would been a WR
A low 3rd that probably would of been a ILB
A low 6th that probably would of been a OL

Let's remember that we still have a pick in every round except the 1st, and I bet JJ will trade some lower picks for a 1st rounder.

Plus the compensatory picks.
We're fine. GET OVER IT HATERS!:starspin

 

[Texan_Eph89]

I absolutely love the RW11 trade, but you're statement here is far from the truth. These are some Pro Bowlers who Jerry drafted:

Demarcus Ware
Jason Witten
Marion Barber
Greg Ellis
Terrence Newman
Flozell Adams
Roy Williams 38
Dexter Coakley
Jay Ratliff this year
Nick Folk


Earlier Years:
Larry Allen
Troy Aikman
Darren Woodson
Emmitt Smith
Russell Maryland
There are many more as well....

Yeah, but they were gambles.
No one foresaw Ware being as dominant as he is. lets remember people criticized JJ for not getting Merriman.
Witten same thing.
Barber same thing.
Ellis was a given, and has been worth it.
Newman same as Ellis.
Flo overshadowed expectations.
You get it, just go down the list.

But how about the people that didn't make the expectations.

Carpenter?
There have been more, just not as bad...

The fact is that WR take time to develop, he's ready. You can't get experience with a 1st round draft pick.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I agree about people bashing roy wililams WR when they havent even seen him play and what he can or will or wont due. Thats like judging a book before even reading the book.

Dont be so quick to judge before you see the results.

I have a friend the same way, he is condeming the trade, and saying that he no longer be a cowboy die hard fan, but he will join the stinking Commanders.

I am working on him, and saying you should wait and see before you judge, you could be wrong. I told him, what if your wrong, and roy williams will do great in Dallas. Just like when jay novachek joined the cowboys and did great, so did T O, whom people were bashing when he joined the team, leanord davis, and i said i could go on. He said im not wrong, but i said what if you are, he wouldnt admit it, so i said, lets just wait and give at least 3 games till the washington game, then tell me what you think.

Your friend wasn't much of a cowboys fan if he is jumping ship because of this trade and then jumps on the Commanders bandwagon.....

 

[Boysboy]

Yeah, but they were gambles.
No one foresaw Ware being as dominant as he is. lets remember people criticized JJ for not getting Merriman.
Witten same thing.
Barber same thing.
Ellis was a given, and has been worth it.
Newman same as Ellis.
Flo overshadowed expectations.
You get it, just go down the list.

But how about the people that didn't make the expectations.

Carpenter?
There have been more, just not as bad...

The fact is that WR take time to develop, he's ready. You can't get experience with a 1st round draft pick.

Less not forget the Eagles passed on Witten and Barber for LJ Smith and Ryan "fumbilitis" Moats. So why doesn't the "golden standard" Eagles FO get criticized for these moves?

Also-we passed on Randy Moss to draft Ellis. Less not forget how Moss has bounced around from team to team b/c he just quit playing when things would go sour(he's now starting to show his old self in NE since Brady went down). Ellis-OTOH-despite his whining, has consistently been an impact player for us.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Less not forget the Eagles passed on Witten and Barber for LJ Smith and Ryan "fumbilitis" Moats. So why doesn't the "golden standard" Eagles FO get criticized for these moves?

Also-we passed on Randy Moss to draft Ellis. Less not forget how Moss has bounced around from team to team b/c he just quit playing when things would go sour(he's now starting to show his old self in NE since Brady went down). Ellis-OTOH-despite his whining, has consistently been an impact player for us.

Well, partly because people love to hate sucessful teams. Why did people hate the Pats last year? Who's the tops dog this year?

How many superbowls have the Eagles won? 0
How many superbowls have the Cowboys won? 5

That's why we get criticized and they don't.

I did concede that we got keepers on the draft, the problems is that sometimes picks don't meet expectations (and sometimes by a longshot). Roy Williams is already a Pro bowler from one of the worst NFL teams and is young. Can't ask for more than that. If he was sucessful there, what will stop him from succeeding here. Besides, learning from T.O. will make him even better.
:starspin

 

[Hostile]

Assuming we picked 20th in each round, which is probably a lot worse than we will actually finish. The three picks according to the draft value chart equates to the 15th pick in the draft.

If we were picking 15th would you have an issue with just a first?

That's an interesting way to break this down. Consider as well that we gave up a late 6th for an early 7th so it reduces that value a little.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

When was Newman payed 80 million dollars?

Shhhhhh...it makes the crying seem more relevant if it's 80.

Still irrelevant.


Sorry you koolaid drinkers have a problem with my opinion. Oh well.


Like I said, I'm happy to have RW11 on the team, just wish we'd given them a 2,3,7 instead of the 1.

Yeah it's a darn shame that the Lions wouldn't just bend to the will of all the Cowboys fans and take a 2 instead of the 1. Darn them for actually trying to get what they wanted out of their best player and attempting to rebuild their piss poor football team.

Darn them.