I'm gonna keep asking this question

[Kevinicus]

Teams win or lose, not QBs.

 

[TheDude]

Teams win or lose, not QBs.

Tell that to last years Cardinals

Very few 2000 Ravens

 

[Fletch]

It sucks to be in this spot but we are. We all knew that if Tony went down, we would be in this predicament. Many of us wanted a QB via FA, or even in the draft for this exact reason. So here's the question I've been asking everyone.

Would you rather lose with someone you don't know you're going to lose with? Or, lose with someone you know is always gonna lose?

Regardless of the excuse, or the reasoning, BW never wins. It might not be fair, it might not be his fault, but it's 100% factual.

Hmmm. Seems like more of a statement than a question. Lol

 

[Rockport]

It sucks to be in this spot but we are. We all knew that if Tony went down, we would be in this predicament. Many of us wanted a QB via FA, or even in the draft for this exact reason. So here's the question I've been asking everyone.

Would you rather lose with someone you don't know you're going to lose with? Or, lose with someone you know is always gonna lose?

Regardless of the excuse, or the reasoning, BW never wins. It might not be fair, it might not be his fault, but it's 100% factual.

You can't put hardly any blame on Weeden for the loss. That int was bad and cost us but the biggest cause was the defense couldn't stop Atlanta at the end of the first half and the entire 2nd half.

 

[conner01]

They had a chance to win the Falcons game. If another QB comes in and starts throwing 3 or 4 INTs per game they won't have a chance to win a game. If they were certain that Cassell would not throw INTs, then I would get him in the game ASP; however, if they think his lack of time with the team will lead to INTs, then they need to stick with Wee-done.

Very good point
I personally think Cassel is a better QB but it's a very complex position to play and the QB and we have to see the defense in the same way
I rather have Cassel but have no way of knowing if Cassel will know the offense enough to play this week
Hope he does but as much as people think no one could do worse than Weeden, the reality is they could do much worse

 

[jday]

It sucks to be in this spot but we are. We all knew that if Tony went down, we would be in this predicament. Many of us wanted a QB via FA, or even in the draft for this exact reason. So here's the question I've been asking everyone.

Would you rather lose with someone you don't know you're going to lose with? Or, lose with someone you know is always gonna lose?

Regardless of the excuse, or the reasoning, BW never wins. It might not be fair, it might not be his fault, but it's 100% factual.

I'll keep it simple: 28 points should be enough to win in the NFL. And 39 points allowed will get you beat just about every time. Savvy?

 

[conner01]

You can't put hardly any blame on Weeden for the loss. That int was bad and cost us but the biggest cause was the defense couldn't stop Atlanta at the end of the first half and the entire 2nd half.

Had we been able to do anything on offense in the second half that would have dramatically helped the defense
Not all weedens fault but you have to pass a team out of 8 and 9 man fronts and we didn't do that
Was that all Weeden? Maybe not, we don't know what was called but had we been able to do anything at all that would have helped the defense who was missing their top 3 pass rushers

 

[Doomsday101]

Very good point
I personally think Cassel is a better QB but it's a very complex position to play and the QB and we have to see the defense in the same way
I rather have Cassel but have no way of knowing if Cassel will know the offense enough to play this week
Hope he does but as much as people think no one could do worse than Weeden, the reality is they could do much worse

True, Cassel is in his 11th season. I would expect he will pick things up quickly and when or if the coaches feel he gives us a better chance then he will get the nod. However Cassel success and failure just like weeden will be tied to overall team play. When Cassel has been asked to carry the load he has not faired well but in NE with a sound group around him he was successful. In KC with in the 2010 season Cassel did very well but then KC also lead the NFL in rushing once again not asked to carry KC.

 

[BAT]

Weeden is just not wired to win unfortunately. Not saying he can never win as a starter, although zero for 9 is very telling, he just does not have the IT factor common to winners. Would rather take my chances with Moore and Cassell until Romo gets back. Both guys have shown ability to win. Maybe even pick up Ponder just in case. Ponder at least offers a different threat to defenses and can at least run for a first in an open field instead of sliding down right before the sticks.

 

[coult44]

I'll keep it simple: 28 points should be enough to win in the NFL. And 39 points allowed will get you beat just about every time. Savvy?

Depends... How tired was the defense because the offense couldn't stay on the field?

 

[jday]

Depends... How tired was the defense because the offense couldn't stay on the field?

It's a fair point, but at the end of the day it's the defense responsibility to get themselves off the field and they simply couldn't do it...and that was before they had the exhaustion excuse. Now, for that you can point to coaching, the defense, or all of the above....but Weeden is simply not one of the possible answers.

 

[coult44]

It's a fair point, but at the end of the day it's the defense responsibility to get themselves off the field and they simply couldn't do it...and that was before they had the exhaustion excuse. Now, for that you can point to coaching, the defense, or all of the above....but Weeden is simply not one of the possible answers.

He never is

 

[knightrider94]

Weeden has never accomplished anything in the league that builds confidence in a team. So, when he makes mistakes, you immediately think, "here we go, we are going to lose" vs a truly veteran QB who has done some things in the league to make a team feel like it can come back from a mistake/deficit.

From his time in Cleveland, to the Arizona game last year (Dez played), to the game yesterday, I don't need to see any more of Weeden. His inabilities yesterday effected the defense; the defense couldn't be covered at all like last year because no one is afraid of him. He has no touch. Everything is a fastball when it does deep. He seems like a nice guy, but enough is enough...

I would rather lose with someone else.

 

[Alexander]

I'll keep it simple: 28 points should be enough to win in the NFL. And 39 points allowed will get you beat just about every time. Savvy?

That was what was so glaring. It was not like the Falcons were given any points via turnovers save the 3 points on the interception.

They bowed up and took the game themselves. The hard way. And we were powerless to stop them.

To me, it is absolutely imperative that as long as Marinelli is the defensive coordinator that we limit the defense's time on the football field. That is what got 12 wins last season, keeping their exposure to a minimum.

Yesterday they simply could not get off the field on their own.

 

[jday]

That was what was so glaring. It was not like the Falcons were given any points via turnovers save the 3 points on the interception.

They bowed up and took the game themselves. The hard way. And we were powerless to stop them.

To me, it is absolutely imperative that as long as Marinelli is the defensive coordinator that we limit the defense's time on the football field. That is what got 12 wins last season, keeping their exposure to a minimum.

Yesterday they simply could not get off the field on their own.

For me, that was more disconcerting than anything. I know people still want to blame Weeden because he was unable to sustain drives, but the onus is on the defense to get themselves off the field and they couldn't do that even before they had the exhaustion excuse.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm starting MC Sunday night. No doubt about it.

 

[Alexander]

For me, that was more disconcerting than anything. I know people still want to blame Weeden because he was unable to sustain drives, but the onus is on the defense to get themselves off the field and they couldn't do that even before they had the exhaustion excuse.

There was a lot of cheese eating after Philadelphia.

 

[Alexander]

I'm starting MC Sunday night. No doubt about it.

So what does that get us? Serious question.

A new player to the system who has what? I cannot sit here and be honest with myself and suggestion his decisions with the ball will be a lot different from Weeden's. So what is gained?

Him not being the whipping boy?

 

[Kevinicus]

Tell that to last years Cardinals

Very few 2000 Ravens

QBs are a big part of teams. The Cardinals are a better team with Palme, but he is not solely responsible for wins and losses.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So what does that get us? Serious question.

A new player to the system who has what? I cannot sit here and be honest with myself and suggestion his decisions with the ball will be a lot different from Weeden's. So what is gained?

Him not being the whipping boy?

He's been in the league a long time and has won some games. He's done more than Weeden. He's worked in this system before.
If you have to dumb the game down for Weeden you can do the same for him. Maybe he'd be more confident back there than Weeden is, any thing is better than throwing three yard passes all day.