I'm interested in seeing improvement at the 1-Tech spot

[CF74]

Hayden was a back up to begin with, thrown into a starter type role due to insane injuries but if lets say he only came in 1/4 to 1/3 of the time as part of a rotation, the dude could be decent. Not awesome but decent, especially if fresh. Don't get the hate but whateves..

I thought Gardner was a DE, what is this 1 Tech talk??? I mean even Crawford is an end, sure they can play some 1 tech but why are we playing everybody out of their natural position??? I have seen so many people flip the 1 tech and the 3 tech around here I believe I'm confused already. Is the 1 tech or the 3 tech the bigger nose guard type player?

Melton, Hayden, and Bishop I'm assuming would be our nose guards so to speak and maybe even Bass. Brent was another nose guard type, interesting to see if he came back from lock up. lol What about McClain and Kearse? Big body types as well.

 

[speedkilz88]

1 tech is the nose, but they will put in a pass rusher on nickel downs which is where the Crawford/Gardner inside stuff comes from.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I think they are banking on McClain to take a lot of 1st down snaps next to Melton. They'll figure out the interior pass rushers during camp. Obviously Melton will be a major factor.

 

[renny]

I have a feeling Josh Brent will be in the mix come camp time.

If he is in shape and weight down I agree, Brent will be the 1 tech.

 

[waving monkey]

how are people expecting a 265lb rookie de to play on the nose at 1 tech? he is a SDE who potentially down th line rush from the inside but no way in hell is he playing 1 tech.
He may have lined up there a few times in college but he wont in the pros

Gardner was our best pickup in te draft, his motor is amazing and his is athletically gifted but a 300lb DT he isnt and will ever be imo.

kinda my question too

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Hayden was a back up to begin with, thrown into a starter type role due to insane injuries but if lets say he only came in 1/4 to 1/3 of the time as part of a rotation, the dude could be decent. Not awesome but decent, especially if fresh. Don't get the hate but whateves..

I thought Gardner was a DE, what is this 1 Tech talk??? I mean even Crawford is an end, sure they can play some 1 tech but why are we playing everybody out of their natural position??? I have seen so many people flip the 1 tech and the 3 tech around here I believe I'm confused already. Is the 1 tech or the 3 tech the bigger nose guard type player?

Melton, Hayden, and Bishop I'm assuming would be our nose guards so to speak and maybe even Bass. Brent was another nose guard type, interesting to see if he came back from lock up. lol What about McClain and Kearse? Big body types as well.

Melton will be a 3-technique... not a 1.

The #1's as of right now are:
McClain
Hayden
Bishop
And maybe Coleman

I wouldn't be surprised to see McClain and Bishop as the starter and the top sub.

Personally I think Coleman has a much higher high-side than Hayden. But I don't know if either one makes the final roster. If I was placing bets I would bet that Coleman would stick before Hayden just because Coleman can also be a #3.

In addition keep in mind the #1 technique defensive tackle should only get about 30 snaps a game, so it's not like you need lots of guys that can play the #1.

 

[speedkilz88]

If they cut Hayden I doubt anyone picks him up. So you would have a vet sitting by his phone if you need him.

 

[Galian Beast]

Before last year, Hatcher hasn't shown that he can get to the QB consistently. Rat did. That's why they were planning on having Hatcher as 1 and Rat as 3.

No one on the team has consistently been able to get to the QB. Hatcher showed more pass rushing potential than any of the other tackles on our team. If your name isn't Melton, you're first shot at playing is at the 1 tech.

 

[Cowboy06]

Why do people want Crawford playing the 1? It seems to me he has some pass rush ability. That's the last place I want him on that line.

I agree, but is everything set in stone? I hope this defense can evolve and do different things. Why not move some of the players around on obvious passing down? I don't want to count on 7th rounders until after we see them. I have this odd feeling that Marinelli will find a few gems this year, but we will still need a few linemen next year. Gotta restock the cupboards from years of neglect.

 

[Zman5]

No one on the team has consistently been able to get to the QB. Hatcher showed more pass rushing potential than any of the other tackles on our team. If your name isn't Melton, you're first shot at playing is at the 1 tech.

That's not true. Before last year, Rat showed he could get to the QB alot more than Hatch did and that's why they were speculating having Hatch as 1 and Rat as 3.

 

[CF74]

Melton will be a 3-technique... not a 1.

The #1's as of right now are:
McClain
Hayden
Bishop
And maybe Coleman

I wouldn't be surprised to see McClain and Bishop as the starter and the top sub.

Personally I think Coleman has a much higher high-side than Hayden. But I don't know if either one makes the final roster. If I was placing bets I would bet that Coleman would stick before Hayden just because Coleman can also be a #3.

In addition keep in mind the #1 technique defensive tackle should only get about 30 snaps a game, so it's not like you need lots of guys that can play the #1.

Thanks for the Ribeye. Ok so Hayden has competition.. Good

What is your analysis of our DE's?

Do u think Melton shows out or flames out like The Ratt did in Chi-Town?

 

[Galian Beast]

That's not true. Before last year, Rat showed he could get to the QB alot more than Hatch did and that's why they were speculating having Hatch as 1 and Rat as 3.

I'm not talking about Ratliff.

My point is that in this scenario Melton is Ratliff. And had it not been for Ratliff not being healthy, Hatcher would have played the 1... How are you not following?

 

[tm1119]

Melton will start at the 3. Crawford may be good enough to crack into the starting lineup, thus he would play the 1.

Look at when Hatcher was originally slated to play the 1, with Ratliff playing the 3. I don't think you should think that simply because someone is playing the 1, they won't be rushing the passer. They still will be.

Ideally our starting defensive line would look like this

Lawrence - Melton - Crawford - Spencer (healthy)
Selvie - Bass - Bishop - Gardner

Crawford and Melton can not be on the field together as DT's unless its a definite passing scenario. Unless you want to somehow be worse against the run than we were last year.

We are talking about the guy we spent a 3rd round pick on because of this skill set right?
The 275 pound edge rusher with length and athleticism, and everybody is trying to make him into a 1 tech now? Makes 0 sense.

 

[Zman5]

I'm not talking about Ratliff.

My point is that in this scenario Melton is Ratliff. And had it not been for Ratliff not being healthy, Hatcher would have played the 1... How are you not following?

Melton will start at the 3. Crawford may be good enough to crack into the starting lineup, thus he would play the 1.

Look at when Hatcher was originally slated to play the 1, with Ratliff playing the 3. I don't think you should think that simply because someone is playing the 1, they won't be rushing the passer. They still will be.

Ideally our starting defensive line would look like this

Lawrence - Melton - Crawford - Spencer (healthy)
Selvie - Bass - Bishop - Gardner

I am following just fine. I was responding to your post above concerning Hatch and Rat. I was simply pointing out that the reason Hatch was slated to play 1 was not because he would be good at it but because Rat was a better 3. The idea was that Rat will have more impact as a 3 than Hatch would as a 3.

 

[Galian Beast]

I am following just fine. I was responding to your post above concerning Hatch and Rat. I was simply pointing out that the reason Hatch was slated to play 1 was not because he would be good at it but because Rat was a better 3. The idea was that Rat will have more impact as a 3 than Hatch would as a 3.

Again, which is my point that every tackle on the team who isn't Melton isn't going to start at the 3, and as such will be slated to compete for the 1 spot... Again... not sure how you aren't following...

 

[Galian Beast]

Crawford and Melton can not be on the field together as DT's unless its a definite passing scenario. Unless you want to somehow be worse against the run than we were last year.

We are talking about the guy we spent a 3rd round pick on because of this skill set right?
The 275 pound edge rusher with length and athleticism, and everybody is trying to make him into a 1 tech now? Makes 0 sense.

His weight will depend largely on what they want him to do. That is likely to play the 1 tech. You don't have to be 330 lbs to play the 1 in the tampa 2.

The defensive line's primary purpose is to rush the passer, and that isn't just on 3rd down.

The philosophy of this team will be to outscore our opponents, and force them to pass the ball, while we constantly rush only 4.

 

[Zman5]

Again, which is my point that every tackle on the team who isn't Melton isn't going to start at the 3, and as such will be slated to compete for the 1 spot... Again... not sure how you aren't following...

And that's where me and and some poster on this thread disagree. Not EVERYONE not named Melton isn't going to compete for the 1 spot.

 

[tm1119]

His weight will depend largely on what they want him to do. That is likely to play the 1 tech. You don't have to be 330 lbs to play the 1 in the tampa 2.

The defensive line's primary purpose is to rush the passer, and that isn't just on 3rd down.

The philosophy of this team will be to outscore our opponents, and force them to pass the ball, while we constantly rush only 4.

Ahh so run defense is just a figment of my imagination and I should forget about it... We were bottom 5 against the run last year as well, not everything is about rushing the passer. Putting Crawford at 1 tech would be a waste of his talents and be horrible for Melton's productivity as well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

they have already said Lawrence will come in on 2nd & 3rd down. So your starting unit would look like: Crawford-Melton-McClain-Mincey. On 2nd & 3rd down it might look like: Selvie-Melton-Crawford-Lawrence.

Where did they say this?

 

[Wood]

Where did they say this?

They mentioned it several times Lawrence will be situational pass rusher his first year and over time will eventually start. Read it and then heard it on radio show.