I'm sorry Stephen Jones..

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Hoofbite;2679884 said:
Yeah, steven would be just another quality guy who made a pit stop. Nobody unrelated would wait until Jerry has had his fill. Its probably gonna take the Grim Reaper to move that man out of his office.

And I don't know why I put Payton on that list, I really can't stand that guy.
I'd say Stephen is the reason Ireland left. He wanted to get into the business side of talent, not just scouting. Jerry doesn't do that, Stephen does.

The rest of the coaches (sans Parcells) left because the promotions they were seeking were occupied here (not by Jerry, of course).
 

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Clove;2679888 said:
Yes we did. And Moss proceeded to make a joke of our organization for years after that. I laughed and laughed.
No we didn't. We needed a starting DE because Jerry screwed up in free agency. We HAD to take Ellis.

Agree Moss lit us up more than anyone else. We paid dearly for Jerry's mistake.
 

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bbgun;2679602 said:
This implies that there are intelligent "country bumpkin used car salesmen" floating about out there.
:lmao2:
 

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GOLDENCHILD1688;2679982 said:
at first i was looking forward to stephen possibly taken over one day

but if he was the one that thought cutting T.O. this yr was actually a good idea im no longer as sure about him as i was prior.

i still see him being good like i first pictured but my overall opinion of him has dropped some what to be honest. i still dont see him being a bad thing for this organization even though i like the team of him and jerry. they bring perfect balance to each other.

i never had a problem with jerry taking risk anyway. some have paid off some didnt. happens to every team, its the nature of the buisness

but the main reason why i never had a problem with jerry's risk taken is in most instances its low risk high reward type of moves. i dont mind those at all

Are you really that upset over the TO move. No matter what your opinion to judge the guy on one move is a little rash.

I can't remember who posted it but it was an excellent evaluation of TO ending up in Buffalo with a 1 year contract.

The guy isn't someone people want around, plain and simple. He landed in Buffalo. He had no other suitors, or at least he had no one better than buffalo which says quite a bit.

I hope Stephen was a part of TO getting out. It will be a dramatic shift from Jerry.

If you look around the league you see more and more teams who don't have all the talent in the world but play well and have more success than some of the more stocked teams. Part of that is parity, part is the fact that cohesive units play better.

I think Stephen is going to be great for this team. I just hope Jerry doesn't pull an Al Davis and refuse to ever leave.
 

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I've never been a big fan of his, and after seeing him in "Hard Knocks" my opinion was unchanged. Seemed like an old money, silver spoon kinda guy to me. But it's pretty apparent he was a main reason T.O. was cut. That being said, it still wasn't enough to sway me. However over the last year or so I've seen LOTS of comments on this board by fans more knowledgeable than me that the guy knows the business. But after reading Galloway's article this morning (yeah, alot of you hate him but you hate Werder too and hate doesn't equate to incompetence in my mind) I'm convinced I was wrong about this guy. I get a whole new appreciation for Stephen's influence on this team:

Stephen Jones is waiting in the wings to take over the Dallas Cowboys

By RANDY GALLOWAY


Just when we think Jerry Jones is hopelessly lost in his own football world, listening only to the voices in his head, along comes a jolt that suggests that change is slowly, real slowly, coming to Valley Ranch.

Last week’s "jolt" was the sudden departure of Eldorado Owens, something that shocked even Eldo.

But Jerry was "listening."

Listening to 44-year-old Stephen Jones, who within the Dallas Cowboys’ organization carries the titles of chief operating officer, executive vice president and director of player personnel.

But don’t think nepotism.

"I said it when he was 25-26 years old, and nothing has changed," noted former head coach Jimmy Johnson a couple of weeks ago. "Stephen is a good one. A real good one."

Or as Larry Lacewell, the team’s former personnel director once told me, "Stephen Jones is brilliant."

There will come a time when Stephen takes over the Cowboys. He will be the next Jerry. But for now, as Jerry seeks opinions from within the organization, and throughout the NFL (no matter what you think, Jerry does ample homework on all decisions), the common doubt is while he listens a lot, does he really hear what is being said?

In the case of Stephen, the answer is yes. Jerry hears Stephen. That doesn’t mean, of course, he always agrees, or follows up on what he hears.

All evidence suggests, however, that Stephen was the driving force in bringing his father around to the thought that it was time for the Cowboys to move on without the Owens’ locker room influence.

Since Jerry hates "Valley Ranch sources," I will quote "someone who knows," as telling me Friday, "There is nothing Jerry hates worse than giving up on one of his projects. We saw that with Pacman [Jones] when he got into trouble and Jerry still brought him back. Terrell Owens, of course, was Jerry’s biggest project.

"What made Jerry such a financial success in his oil business days was he wouldn’t give up on a project. He’d keep on drilling. I thought he would keep on drilling with Owens."

What changed his mind?

"Jerry listened to the opinion of Stephen," added Mr. Someone Who Knows. "Stephen never comes off as half-cocked or emotional. When Stephen feels strongly about something, you can bet it’s a well-presented case."

There were media reports in February that No. 1 son was campaigning his father to dump Owens. Jerry would later deny there was a difference of opinions. But that could be word games. Jerry might have been on the fence about what to do, but two different voices have told me Stephen privately pushed his father to dump Owens.

There is a tendency, at least for me, to sometimes think of Stephen as the outgoing youngster who is fiercely loyal to his father (I’ve heard the wrath more than once after an unfavorable column). But Stephen now has 19 years in nothing but the football business. This is no kid.

"The joke is that Jerry was an outsider who wants to be a football guy," said another former Valley Ranch employee. "But Stephen IS a football guy. He grew up in the business of running the Cowboys. What he does within the organization, how many hats he wears, is incredible. He is the port in the storm for the front office. Just a real nice and smart young man who gets it. He really gets it."

Asking around last week, I wanted to hear how Stephen differs from Jerry, personality-wise, on a day-to-day basis at Valley Ranch. A few comments follow:

"Stephen knows Jerry really enjoys being the face of the team, and he’s happy for his father. Jerry has his ego, good and bad. But if Stephen has an ego, I’ve never seen it surface. He’s very well-grounded."

"Stephen realizes his dad’s weak points, but he also understands his dad’s strengths. And more than anything, he worships Jerry."

"Jerry can be hardheaded, to say the least. Stephen is much more open-minded."

"Jerry can handle confrontation, but he’s more of a negotiator. Now, Stephen, you don’t push him. I remember one day when Big Bill [Parcells] was on one of his hell-on-wheels tears. He was telling some staff members to stay out of the training room. When Stephen walked in, Bill told him, 'I don’t want you in the training room, either.’

"Stephen looked hard at him, and said, 'As long as we own this team, I’ll come in here any damn time I please.’ It was the end of that discussion."

The day will come when Jerry retires. That’s when Stephen will take over. Until then, the son’s influence is a growing positive at Valley Ranch.:starspin*****The comment by Jimmy Johnson was especially interesting IMO**********



Darn :lmao: I could imagine Tuna's face.
 

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I might like Stephen; for the most part I am reserving judgement for when he actually does take over the Cowboy's. But I still hate Galloway.
 

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jday;2680648 said:
I might like Stephen; for the most part I am reserving judgement for when he actually does take over the Cowboy's. But I still hate Galloway.

Blasphemy!
 

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big dog cowboy;2680035 said:
No we didn't. We needed a starting DE because Jerry screwed up in free agency. We HAD to take Ellis.


Agree Moss lit us up more than anyone else. We paid dearly for Jerry's mistake.
Sure we had to take Greg Ellis, especially considering we had no credible receiver to take over the spot of Michael Irvin when he retired.. Why did Jerry go out and over-pay for Galloway, losing two firsts then?
 
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