Importance of a running QB

[Tio]

Youngs motion slow? The guy flicks it on every pass. He doesn't even use his feet most of the time, which is a testament to his arm strength and the kind of coaching he gets at UT.

 

[trueblue1687]

Flavor of the week.

AMEN. I'm sick of the running QB stuff. They're fun to watch on someone elses team, but typically have a short and topsy turvy career. We all know that Vick deserves to be in the Pro Bowl with that running ability...not to mention his ability at his actual position

 

[Hiero]

Youngs motion slow? The guy flicks it on every pass. He doesn't even use his feet most of the time, which is a testament to his arm strength and the kind of coaching he gets at UT.

ya its obvious that UT never did anything with his mechanics, they could have but they didn't wanna deal with it. he needs to come to the NFL to get real nfl coaching from people that can really help him improve.

 

[Juke99]

Roger Staubach made a great point on WFAN tonight...

His take is that with the new rules that restrict DB's from putting their hands on a WR after five yards, it takes time for plays to develop...but sooner or later, a WR is going to be open...He felt that today, more than ever, it's critical to have a QB who is mobile...not a runner...but someone who can keep a play alive until that WR gets open.

Makes a ton of sense to me.

 

[Clove]

Why do people keep using Michael Vick as an example of a running QB. Michael Vick is not that good, but mobil QB's or runners have been around forever.

And teams that won the superbowl and couldn't get out of the way of pressure, usually had a great running back.

Brady, is hard to bring down because he moves around in that pocket while finding opened receivers.

Let me say this. It was 4th and 5 UT/USC and if Vince didn't have the ability to run that ball, game lost by UT. On the other hand, the guy was constantly finding the right receiver to throw too all night long. He mad quick decisions and was extremely accurate.

When they tried to blitz him, he broke the blitz with slants across the middle several times. I've seen his deep ball, because I watched most of the UT games this year, and it's incredible. The guy can throw that ball deep better than short.

His passes aren't as strong, but he can put alot of zip behind his throws, his arm reminds me of Montana (strength wis). I've watched this guy, and you can't break his concentration and it's hard putting pressure on him , because he seems to find the opened receiver.

When one of these Mobil QB's like America likes to bunch them all together (Vick,Mcknabb,Culpepper, and who ever else is like them) when these runners start to become dangerous from the pocket, you will see a quarterback like the world has never seen...

A Manning and Vick all wrapped up in one... It's coming America, just be patient.

 

[Juke99]

Why do people keep using Michael Vick as an example of a running QB. Michael Vick is not that good, but mobil QB's or runners have been around forever.

And teams that won the superbowl and couldn't get out of the way of pressure, usually had a great running back.

Brady, is hard to bring down because he moves around in that pocket while finding opened receivers.

Let me say this. It was 4th and 5 UT/USC and if Vince didn't have the ability to run that ball, game lost by UT. On the other hand, the guy was constantly finding the right receiver to throw too all night long. He mad quick decisions and was extremely accurate.

When they tried to blitz him, he broke the blitz with slants across the middle several times. I've seen his deep ball, because I watched most of the UT games this year, and it's incredible. The guy can throw that ball deep better than short.

His passes aren't as strong, but he can put alot of zip behind his throws, his arm reminds me of Montana (strength wis). I've watched this guy, and you can't break his concentration and it's hard putting pressure on him , because he seems to find the opened receiver.

When one of these Mobil QB's like America likes to bunch them all together (Vick,Mcknabb,Culpepper, and who ever else is like them) when these runners start to become dangerous from the pocket, you will see a quarterback like the world has never seen...

A Manning and Vick all wrapped up in one... It's coming America, just be patient.

His name was Staubach. Especially in the last two minutes of a game.

Good points you make here.

 

[DasTex]

Ironic that most Scouts and comentators would disagree with you. VY is a TOP 5 pick, if not the number one overall pick. Perhaps you need to watch more than one game. Kind of hard as well as stupid to throw the ball deep in a 2 deep zone, plus you don't get alot of tight coverages in the 2 deep zone. He shredded them, period.

Ironic that most of the "national" media and some scouts have already said that they haven't watched Vince that much, and lastnight...he had that "WOW" factor. As someone said earlier "flavor of the week".

I can't remember where I read it this morning..but as far as Vince's throwing motion, this quote pretty much sums it up. "It's like he got dog crap on his hand, and he's trying to sling it off".

 

[juice28]

I don't want a pure running QB, but somebody that can stretch the pocket is valuable. Even FLO and LA get beat sometimes. If a QB has the ability to fix a broken play with his legs, I'll take him over a drop and flop QB. VY has to do work on his game just like Vick( Mike and Marcus) but a QB needs that added dimension to the game nowadays. Freeney, Merriman, and WARE aren't slow. BTW, Steve Young was a pretty good passer too, but when he scrambled........... Look Out!

 

[big_neil]

As evident from the RoseBowl.
Cowboy should have at least one of the backup or main QB capable of running.

Sorry dude, that only happens in college and your fantasy.

 

[big_neil]

Oh, and I bet NFL QBs could have a rating of 175 too (the NCAA leader in 2005). At least four had greater than a perfect 158.3. Freshmen.

 

[jackrussell]

You're absolutely wrong, the future is passers with mobility. The advent of the speed rusher era, see(Kearse,Shawn Merriman and DeMarcus Ware will take care of that. It's a part of the evolution of the game.

Advent of the speed rusher? Evolution of the game?

Puleeeeeze! Someone needs to brush up on their NFL history, speed rusher is not something new.

And for the millionth bazillionth time, there is a differnce between a 'mobile' QB and a 'running' QB, and it aint got nothin' to do with no evolution.

Mobile= QB who can buy time by moving in pocket, looking to pass options 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and when all else fails, tuck it and run= GOOD

Running= QB that can't see past a first read, and takes off dazzling us with athletic ability= NOT SO GOOD

 

[burmafrd]

A running QB will inevitably get injured. Just a matter of time.

 

[juice28]

Advent of the speed rusher? Evolution of the game?

Puleeeeeze! Someone needs to brush up on their NFL history, speed rusher is not something new.

And for the millionth bazillionth time, there is a differnce between a 'mobile' QB and a 'running' QB, and it aint got nothin' to do with no evolution.

Mobile= QB who can buy time by moving in pocket, looking to pass options 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and when all else fails, tuck it and run= GOOD

Running= QB that can't see past a first read, and takes off dazzling us with athletic ability= NOT SO GOOD

I agree 100% QB must have some mobility, but they also have to have common sense and patience to look for the third reciever sometimes.

 

[Juke99]

I agree 100% QB must have some mobility, but they also have to have common sense and patience to look for the third reciever sometimes.

Yep....and that's why I think what Staubach said makes so much sense...in the current version of the NFL, the DB's have less lattitude with being physical with WR's....therefore, a QB who can be mobile WITHIN the pocket can get that extra second to hit a guy when he is open.

 

[Hostile]

I like the way Mike Golic puts it. "When a QB has more confidence in his legs than he does in his arm or his receivers it is potentially a very bad thing."

I will always prefer the pure pocket guys. I don't mind a guy who can escape the blitz like Favre. I would never want a guy who takes off running at the first sign of a breakdown. Mobility is fine. Accuracy is more important. Leadership is too. This is why I say Dan Marino could play right now and he was the least mobile guy I've ever seen. People immediately talk about his quick release as evidence of why. We're not talking he is 2 seconds faster than everybody else. Fractions of a second only. He was great because he could flat out pick apart a defense and throw the ball.

Give me that first, and if the player can run a bit with it, so much the better. Staubach will always be the epitome of the complete package at QB to me. Elway is my version of the mold at QB. Both could kill you with their legs, but their brains, heart, and arms were even more dangerous.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like the way Mike Golic puts it. "When a QB has more confidence in his legs than he does in his arm or his receivers it is potentially a very bad thing."

I will always prefer the pure pocket guys. I don't mind a guy who can escape the blitz like Favre. I would never want a guy who takes off running at the first sign of a breakdown. Mobility is fine. Accuracy is more important. Leadership is too. This is why I say Dan Marino could play right now and he was the least mobile guy I've ever seen. People Immediately talk about his quick release as evidence of why. We're not talking he is 2 seconds faster than everybody else. Fractions of a second only. He was great because he could falt out pick apart a defense and throw the ball.

Give me that first and if the player can run a bit with it, so much the better. Staubach will always be the epitome of the complete package at QB. Elway is my version of the mold at QB. Both could kill you with their legs but their brains, heart, and arms were even more dangerous.

I agree and have been saying the same thing for a long time.

 

[Jarv]

I like the way Mike Golic puts it. "When a QB has more confidence in his legs than he does in his arm or his receivers it is potentially a very bad thing."

I will always prefer the pure pocket guys. I don't mind a guy who can escape the blitz like Favre. I would never want a guy who takes off running at the first sign of a breakdown. Mobility is fine. Accuracy is more important. Leadership is too. This is why I say Dan Marino could play right now and he was the least mobile guy I've ever seen. People Immediately talk about his quick release as evidence of why. We're not talking he is 2 seconds faster than everybody else. Fractions of a second only. He was great because he could falt out pick apart a defense and throw the ball.

Give me that first and if the player can run a bit with it, so much the better. Staubach will always be the epitome of the complete package at QB. Elway is my version of the mold at QB. Both could kill you with their legs but their brains, heart, and arms were even more dangerous.

There is a lot of intangibles too Hos. I'll name a few.

1) Smarts...Reading a defense and knowing where the weakness is. You can have a quick relase and a gun of an arm (See Jeff George) but you have to throw it too the correct reciever in the right spot. Not locking onto a reciever but choosing a reciever based on what the defense is playing (and giving to you) after the play has been called.

2) Play action skills and pump fakes. A QB that can sell the playaction, some are much better than it than other, that extra fraction of time is sometimes the difference to help a reciever get open. The pump fake that can draw a saftey or over the top coverage away from the reciever that you actually want to go to.

3) Pressure situations, some people play much better under pressure than they do under normal circumstances (Staubach, Montana, Brady and even Jordon in Basketball). Others fold under pressure. The baseball player who hits 40 home runs a year, but in the playoffs with the base's loaded in the 9th that continually strikes out. Hey, he can hit the big home run when his team is up by 4 in the the 7th, no real pressure...But folds under pressure.

Some players want the pressure on them when the game is on the line...Some can't handle it.

All of what you stated above is true, these are just some other things I look for in a QB and a leader. With Roger and Montanna their teams knew they could depend on those guys when it counted and they could raise the level of play of everyone around them. Confidence.

 

[Hostile]

There is a lot of intangibles too Hos. I'll name a few.

1) Smarts...Reading a defense and knowing where the weakness is. You can have a quick relase and a gun of an arm (See Jeff George) but you have to throw it too the correct reciever in the right spot. Not locking onto a reciever but choosing a reciever based on what the defense is playing (and giving to you) after the play has been called.

2) Play action skills and pump fakes. A QB that can sell the playaction, some are much better than it than other, that extra fraction of time is sometimes the difference to help a reciever get open. The pump fake that can draw a saftey or over the top coverage away from the reciever that you actually want to go to.

3) Pressure situations, some people play much better under pressure than they do under normal circumstances (Staubach, Montana, Brady and even Jordon in Basketball). Others fold under pressure. The baseball player who hits 40 home runs a year, but in the playoffs with the base's loaded in the 9th that continually strikes out. Hey, he can hit the big home run when his team is up by 4 in the the 7th, no real pressure...But folds under pressure.

Some players want the pressure on them when the game is on the line...Some can't handle it.

All of what you stated above is true, these are just some other things I look for in a QB and a leader. With Roger and Montanna their teams knew they could depend on those guys when it counted and they could raise the level of play of everyone around them. Confidence.

I mentioned smarts as a greater weapon Jarv. I am 100% in agreement on all of this. To me the QB needs to be the smartest guy on the field. He needs to know where every player on the O needs to be and what they are supposed to be doing. They also need to be able to know what all 11 on the D trying to stop them are doing.